VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Takkatakka]

Anything for her daughter. Just like Edwin's mother has for her son.

She sure feels like a mother bear who is pushed into a corner in a way...

 

[Biscardone]

i don t know if i am the only one, but i always treat veronica the hardest because i find her so damn ugly and weird... xD does anybody thinks that, that woman is the worst of all the game? such a bad idea to create her in the first place... im not into man-woman

If you find muscular women "ugly and weird", it's only your concern, not the rest of the world's. Plus, "such a bad idea to create her in the first place" is the epitome of the entitlement: "the game doesn't cater to my interest, so the authors made a mistake". Which is, frankly, childish. Different tastes exist, and that's all there is.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

If you find muscular women "ugly and weird", it's only your concern, not the rest of the world's. Plus, "such a bad idea to create her in the first place" is the epitome of the entitlement: "the game doesn't cater to my interest, so the authors made a mistake". Which is, frankly, childish. Different tastes exist, and that's all there is.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

i don t know if i am the only one, but i always treat veronica the hardest because i find her so damn ugly and weird... xD does anybody thinks that, that woman is the worst of all the game? such a bad idea to create her in the first place... im not into man-woman

This is the first "Am I the only one" types of comment that the non-ironical answer is: yes.

 

[Sorath]

This is the first "Am I the only one" types of comment that the non-ironical answer is: yes.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

This is the first "Am I the only one" types of comment that the non-ironical answer is: yes.

Dont you just love that; reddit style: "Am I the only one who thinks this conventionally attractive person is attractive?"

"Am I the only one that holds this popular viewpoint?"

 

[Phase_01]

Her circumstances are the most dire among the three and necessitate her being shifty as a consequence.
That aside, she's my favourite because she's very attractive and her role keeps reminding Edwin of his mother's past.

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when did the third scene happen wtf
i mustve nut too hard i got memory loss

 

[ename144]

Thats because minas not ready to be anybodys girlfriend at the moment especially somebody who she knows is fucking her best friend while Hanna is.

I agree, but in addition Hana is just more... territorial than Mina is right now. For all her goth look, Hana's a relatively traditional girl; maybe it's her way of rebelling against her more libertine mother? At any rate, if she's going to have a boyfriend, she expects him to take it seriously. That's why she made such a big deal about keeping club 'business' separate from the rest of their lives. The MC asking for an exception right off the bat would merely demonstrate that he's not taking the relationship seriously.

Mina, meanwhile, just broke up with her cheating boyfriend and wants to start expanding her horizons. A non-exclusive, recurring fuckbuddy suits her needs much better than a new relationship. She may well be tempted to make things more exclusive with the MC eventually, but she intends to scratch some itches first. (Of course, if she can scratch those itches with the MC, so much the better.)

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

when did the third scene happen wtf
i mustve nut too hard i got memory loss

Isn't that on the deal route between Edwin and Rosalind?

I agree, but in addition Hana is just more... territorial than Mina is right now. For all her goth look, Hana's a relatively traditional girl; maybe it's her way of rebelling against her more libertine mother? At any rate, if she's going to have a boyfriend, she expects him to take it seriously. That's why she made such a big deal about keeping club 'business' separate from the rest of their lives. The MC asking for an exception right off the bat would merely demonstrate that he's not taking the relationship seriously.

Don't think it is a case of rebelion against her mother's past sexual life.
Hana only started working there because her father blackmailed her over the money she needed to treat her mother's degenerative disease. I think she started to get some aversion because of what she is forced to see in the "club". She may want a guy who isn't a scumbag to women like Ian and the Carnations' patrons.

 

[Turret]

I agree, but in addition Hana is just more... territorial than Mina is right now. For all her goth look, Hana's a relatively traditional girl; maybe it's her way of rebelling against her more libertine mother? At any rate, if she's going to have a boyfriend, she expects him to take it seriously.

We have multiple examples during the game that Hana is neither a prude nor has she many social hangups, but in the case of family, she is more traditionally inclined, mainly because of how she grew up. We can gleam from conversations with her that Hana´s childhood and adolescense had it´s share of serious problems, with later on August coming into the mix as well.
It is not surprising that Hana wants a boyfriend who takes the relationship seriously.

Mina, meanwhile, just broke up with her cheating boyfriend and wants to start expanding her horizons. A non-exclusive, recurring fuckbuddy suits her needs much better than a new relationship. She may well be tempted to make things more exclusive with the MC eventually, but she intends to scratch some itches first.

That is a correct assumption by you in my opinion. Still one thing that I (and a couple other players) are a bit baffled is that Mina NOW starts this. Ian would have been more than happy to help Mina scratch some of her kinkier itches, it might have even stabilised their relationship quite a bit.
But e.g. recall the "Truth or Dare" game where Mina played the role of quasi-innocent. It does not fit her "bucket list". And more, even when Mina and Ian´s relationship was really well, she did not talk with him about "experimenting". And we also know how Killian is, he would not have been shocked, but happy to find a girlfriend as kink-happy as himself. I truly doubt Mina could have mis interpreted Ian´s openness in the bedroom. Just look at the conversation they had during "Truth and Dare" about tagteaming.

 

[Assassini]

That is a correct assumption by you in my opinion. Still one thing that I (and a couple other players) are a bit baffled is that Mina NOW starts this. Ian would have been more than happy to help Mina scratch some of her kinkier itches, it might have even stabilised their relationship quite a bit.
But e.g. recall the "Truth or Dare" game where Mina played the role of quasi-innocent. It does not fit her "bucket list". And more, even when Mina and Ian´s relationship was really well, she did not talk with him about "experimenting". And we also know how Killian is, he would not have been shocked, but happy to find a girlfriend as kink-happy as himself. I truly doubt Mina could have mis interpreted Ian´s openness in the bedroom. Just look at the conversation they had during "Truth and Dare" about tagteaming.

I think it comes down to trust and I think that even from the moment you first meet Mina in the club with Killian the game makes it very clear that she already has had issues with him and doesn't trust him completely, despite her slightly naive attitude towards their relationship. She wants to explore these things but didn't trust Killian completely to do so, and let's face it, he makes it clear that he never really treated her particularly well from the start. I mean, he more or less outright admits that's how he has acted in all relationships.

So now Mina ends her relationship with him, finds some guy she thinks is actually trust-worthy and also is undergoing a bit of a moment of self-realisation. It's just all sort of adding up. If Killian had just earned her trust a bit more then possibly she might have asked him to help her explore (although you could also suggest that maybe she has some hang-ups over him being her first "boyfriend" and being too struck by the novelty of that all to make the move there)... Overall, I feel like the progress of her character makes good sense to me.

Plus, you have to account for porn game logic and the protagonist has a magic cock so...

On a totally different note, I'm playing through 4.2 now and it's finally fucking happened. The moment where you have to choose between some of the girls. I knew it was coming and have currently decided to go with the "lie your pants off and shag everyone" route, but godamn it made me feel like an absolute asshole for doing so.

As always, very few games absolutely nail the porn as well as Pale Carnations while simultaneously also making me so invested in the characters. I said almost exactly this at the last update, but HOW DARE YOU Mutt and Jeff make me feel so bad for just wanting the porn... When that choice inevitably comes back to bite me I'm gonna be bloody furious...

 

[cumsumnida]

Anyone see that supporting female cast popularity poll?

Design wise, Sophia’s has that cool, calm, British nobility jodhpurs wearing vibe which has her really standing out from the rest imo.

 

[ReservoirCreature]

I kinda already talked about this a few pages ago, but that Dalia scene in the sauna was excellent, so I voted for her. Sophia is also very interesting. Definitely a wild card at the moment, imo.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

We have multiple examples during the game that Hana is neither a prude nor has she many social hangups, but in the case of family, she is more traditionally inclined, mainly because of how she grew up. We can gleam from conversations with her that Hana´s childhood and adolescense had it´s share of serious problems, with later on August coming into the mix as well.
It is not surprising that Hana wants a boyfriend who takes the relationship seriously.

That is a correct assumption by you in my opinion. Still one thing that I (and a couple other players) are a bit baffled is that Mina NOW starts this. Ian would have been more than happy to help Mina scratch some of her kinkier itches, it might have even stabilised their relationship quite a bit.
But e.g. recall the "Truth or Dare" game where Mina played the role of quasi-innocent. It does not fit her "bucket list". And more, even when Mina and Ian´s relationship was really well, she did not talk with him about "experimenting". And we also know how Killian is, he would not have been shocked, but happy to find a girlfriend as kink-happy as himself. I truly doubt Mina could have mis interpreted Ian´s openness in the bedroom. Just look at the conversation they had during "Truth and Dare" about tagteaming.

that's exactly right; and others will defend it with any number of contrived explanations - but this is ultimately why I dislike Mina and have said so before earlier in the thread: she exists purely as a fanservice character to a specific type of player.

Whether or not I'm right in my theory - if we assume that's correct for a moment, everything about her personality is completely consistent. She's quiet and reserved around others, but secretly wants Edwin to show her a good time - even though Ian is more than capable. It's the classic snoozefest harem game LI. No real baggage, waiting for the knight in shining armor to change her into a freak in the sheets. (with him alone ofc)

If that sounds overly critical or reductionist, I'd love to have someone point out a part of her personality that contradicts or breaks from that archetype.

 

[cumsumnida]

im not insecure, im into tomboy girls , i find them absolutely hot, but one thing is that and other this XD

Personality wise, I think her appeal is similar to Hana. She just happens to be older, divorced and also is a giant redhead gym buff.

They’re initially guarded with the MC, given his role at the club. They’re both kind of rebels, with Veronica being more hostile as the MC’s job is to control her.

They’re both bi and probably want to mess Mina up, they’re more honest than most in the game and also try to project their strength externally. The fun comes from breaking through to their vulnerable side.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I think it comes down to trust and I think that even from the moment you first meet Mina in the club with Killian the game makes it very clear that she already has had issues with him and doesn't trust him completely, despite her slightly naive attitude towards their relationship. She wants to explore these things but didn't trust Killian completely to do so, and let's face it, he makes it clear that he never really treated her particularly well from the start. I mean, he more or less outright admits that's how he has acted in all relationships.

So now Mina ends her relationship with him, finds some guy she thinks is actually trust-worthy and also is undergoing a bit of a moment of self-realisation. It's just all sort of adding up. If Killian had just earned her trust a bit more then possibly she might have asked him to help her explore (although you could also suggest that maybe she has some hang-ups over him being her first "boyfriend" and being too struck by the novelty of that all to make the move there)... Overall, I feel like the progress of her character makes good sense to me.

Plus, you have to account for porn game logic and the protagonist has a magic cock so...

On a totally different note, I'm playing through 4.2 now and it's finally fucking happened. The moment where you have to choose between some of the girls. I knew it was coming and have currently decided to go with the "lie your pants off and shag everyone" route, but godamn it made me feel like an absolute asshole for doing so.

As always, very few games absolutely nail the porn as well as Pale Carnations while simultaneously also making me so invested in the characters. I said almost exactly this at the last update, but HOW DARE YOU Mutt and Jeff make me feel so bad for just wanting the porn... When that choice inevitably comes back to bite me I'm gonna be bloody furious...

Agree 100% with your supposition about Mina. Had Ian not being a total moron and asshole Mina would have been doing her sexual awakening with him. Instead she choose Edwin, the one guy about who Ian wouldn't shut up about it and who turned up being much nicer to her.

About relationships i am keeping everything on the FWB status for now. Let Edwin be a bit of a whore for the next few ingame weeks.

 

[ename144]

We have multiple examples during the game that Hana is neither a prude nor has she many social hangups, but in the case of family, she is more traditionally inclined, mainly because of how she grew up. We can gleam from conversations with her that Hana´s childhood and adolescense had it´s share of serious problems, with later on August coming into the mix as well.
It is not surprising that Hana wants a boyfriend who takes the relationship seriously.

Hana isn't a prude, but I don't think she was ever a libertine either, even before she got dragged into August's orbit. She's fine with casual sex under the right circumstances - and the current circumstances with the MC and the Club qualify. But if she's going to commit to something more than then that she wants a genuine commitment in return. That's how I see it anyway.

I think it comes down to trust and I think that even from the moment you first meet Mina in the club with Killian the game makes it very clear that she already has had issues with him and doesn't trust him completely, despite her slightly naive attitude towards their relationship. She wants to explore these things but didn't trust Killian completely to do so, and let's face it, he makes it clear that he never really treated her particularly well from the start. I mean, he more or less outright admits that's how he has acted in all relationships.

So now Mina ends her relationship with him, finds some guy she thinks is actually trust-worthy and also is undergoing a bit of a moment of self-realisation. It's just all sort of adding up. If Killian had just earned her trust a bit more then possibly she might have asked him to help her explore (although you could also suggest that maybe she has some hang-ups over him being her first "boyfriend" and being too struck by the novelty of that all to make the move there)... Overall, I feel like the progress of her character makes good sense to me.

Plus, you have to account for porn game logic and the protagonist has a magic cock so...

Trust is at the heart of it, but there's more to it than just the MC being a designated protagonist. I think there's also a complete failure of communication between Mina and Killian.

If Ian was called out on his treatment of Mina back in the prologue his response was quite dismissive:

Beyond his less than lively respect for women, this is also demonstrates Ian's extremely poor read of Mina. Mina comports herself as a simple, innocent girl so he looks no further than that. It never occurs to him that beneath her shiny, pink exterior there's a bundle of sexually-repressed neuroses eager for a chance to cut loose. Ian sees only what he's conditioned to see from a 'good' girl. So rather than recognize an opportunity when when, say, Mina oh-so-subtly interrogates Hana about her lesbian experience, Ian crudely teases her about it then goes to get his jollies with some floozy instead of his girlfriend.

Now Mina was indeed raised to be the sort of girl Ian is expecting, and as a result she's intensely uncomfortable expressing her sexual urges. With Ian simultaneously dismissing her hints and implying she's no great shakes in bed, it's no wonder Mina was never comfortable letting the mask drop and sharing her dark fantasies with Ian. The MC was slightly different because Mina specifically wanted to cheat on Ian with him; she needs to drop the mask at least a little to make that happen. Combine that with the MC's *vastly* superior emotional intelligence allowing him to recognize the implications of Mina's actions and BAM! he gets the fast lane to pervy town that Ian never knew existed.

On a totally different note, I'm playing through 4.2 now and it's finally fucking happened. The moment where you have to choose between some of the girls. I knew it was coming and have currently decided to go with the "lie your pants off and shag everyone" route, but godamn it made me feel like an absolute asshole for doing so.

As always, very few games absolutely nail the porn as well as Pale Carnations while simultaneously also making me so invested in the characters. I said almost exactly this at the last update, but HOW DARE YOU Mutt and Jeff make me feel so bad for just wanting the porn... When that choice inevitably comes back to bite me I'm gonna be bloody furious...

Hmph. Serves you right, you monster!!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Agree 100% with your supposition about Mina. Had Ian not being a total moron and asshole Mina would have been doing her sexual awakening with him. Instead she choose Edwin, the one guy about who Ian wouldn't shut up about it and who turned up being much nicer to her.

About relationships i am keeping everything on the FWB status for now. Let Edwin be a bit of a whore for the next few ingame weeks.

Were there areas other than the relationship fidelity in which Ian mistreated Mina? I'm a little confused by this perspective - it sounds like you're saying "Ian was a jerk because he slept around while with Mina, Edwin is much nicer" but then the next sentence you say your Edwin gets around like a record.

I dont want to tell anyone how to play their game; do what you enjoy most, but surely you see the contradiction here? It's kinda strange to refer to that style Edwin as "much nicer to her" while simultaneously admonishing Ian for similar behavior.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

But e.g. recall the "Truth or Dare" game where Mina played the role of quasi-innocent. It does not fit her "bucket list". And more, even when Mina and Ian´s relationship was really well, she did not talk with him about "experimenting". And we also know how Killian is, he would not have been shocked, but happy to find a girlfriend as kink-happy as himself. I truly doubt Mina could have mis interpreted Ian´s openness in the bedroom. Just look at the conversation they had during "Truth and Dare" about tagteaming.

Ian kink shamed her for wanting to watch porn, he likely wouldve lost his shit if Mina tried talking about a list with him.

 

[Jacey.ci]

Compressed version??