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Ian kink shamed her for wanting to watch porn, he likely wouldve lost his shit if Mina tried talking about a list with him.
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About Ian, he consistently ghosted Mina or mocked her, he didn't bother with her work not even to try to help and let's not forget the very asshole decision of leaving a pendrive with his "sexual adventures" on top of her desk in her house.
He put the bar really low to any other living male who interacted with Mina.
You ignored the part where i say my Edwin is following a no strings attached by being "friends with benefits" (FWB) with Mina and Hana.
Because a serious,rebound, relationship with Mina or another with Hana after meeting her for a couple of weeks don't seem very wise to me. Mina was quite cool with that option, Hana less so but a rushed relationship seems ill fated specially considering their mutual job.
Let the characters discover what they really want and then maybe start something serious later in the game, if the opportunity arrives.
That's certainly fair, but it could be interpreted in a variety of ways - maybe he was trying to break up, maybe he was trying to broaden her horizons and wasn't having his needs met...
Not at all - I anticipated this distinction but didn't want to have the inevitable followup debate. If Mina is into Edwin, the distinction between them being "serious" and "fwb" is really just an excuse for one party to fool around and the other to feel like crap - its like this in the real world too, sometimes the unrequited side is the guy, sometimes its the girl. You can't tell me with a straight face if you were really into a girl and she said "Oh yeah I love sleeping with you, but um I don't really want to limit my options" you'd feel the slightest bit good about it.
Do you really think Mina's character is that much better off having a casual fling-guy who screws around on the side than a boyfriend who cheats on her? Both of those things kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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I do not see it as a meaningless distinction. As i mentioned Mina not only is cool with the idea she is the one to propose it to Edwin, so she can better enjoy her previously repressed sexual desires. She is not interested in a (rebound) relationship right now.
Meanwhile Edwin also knows he can't be in one because of his job.
Maybe sometime more will come out of it in the future (or maybe not) but for now i don't see either side being mislead by keeping things casual.
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About Ian my hypothesis is that the main reason he got a girlfriend was because he thought this was one thing socially required of him. But he grew bored of keeping appearances after a while.
He makes fun of her when Mina talks about anything sexual so the one thing i am sure is that Ian was not trying to broad her horizons.
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It makes perfect sense as you've typed it out. But I dont think this is intellectually honest - by that I mean you wouldn't take this tack if it was yourself in Mina's shoes.
I mean cmon dude, stuff like
Lets be real here, does this make any sense whatsoever outside the context of a female-charicature in a porn game? Would you ever in 1000 years find yourself saying "Man, I sure am glad I'm sleeping with this new girl now, she does get around on the side a bunch, but now I can enjoy my previously hidden sexual kinks!"
It doesn't make ANY sense. It could ONLY make the faintest amount of sense in a porn context, specifically about girls for male viewers.
To bring it full circle back to the game: This is why I think Mina is one of the weakest characters in the game. She's not real. Her motivations aren't realistic, and underneath all the window dressing her actions are about as sensical as the attractive milf stripping down to tip the pizza boy in a retro porn. There's a purpose for those characters, but lets not pretend they're something they're not.
I agree with your statement, but I don't think it retorts mine. If you get together with hana and meet Mina, when you talk about how she could look for other guys, she says that she would rather be with you, so it's clear that she's leaning towards that but is afraid of putting a title on it for now.
What I'm thinking about regarding transparency with Hana is: You tell her that "Hey I'd like to have a future with you but I can't do so right now, 'I have obligations' (be vague about it) or I'm tangled up with Girl X Y and Z because of reasons A B and C(you can be fully transparent and tell her what you're doing exactly)."
Hana seems to be a very understanding girl, and I highly doubt doing so would damage your relationship in anyway since you were single.
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It seems to me you are self inserting way too much. Not only in the story but also trying to do the same in my shoes.
Have no idea about your life experiences but let me tell you a bit about my college time.
Not saying it happened with everyone and everytime, but it was fairly common for friends to end up having flings when we were at some party or when we travelled together for some college related event. It happened to me a handfull of times (nothing serious ever came up of it), there was even two in my class who end up in a romantic relationship for the rest of college life after hooking up a few times.
So yes i have been on their shoes (minus the "i work on a brothel part"). Sometimes people like to experience something different, to have pleasure and maybe broad their horizons with no strings attached.
Of course this is a porngame and as such sex will be a big focus on the story, but saying Mina's motivations aren't at least based in some things that can happen in real life is a gross oversimplification of the work the developers put into fleshing out those characters.
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I dunno... the more I see the progression with Mina and Hana, the more I want my MC to remain single and just avoid unneeded problems and concentrate on Club/Carnations.
The thing is I find FWB relationships "unnatural", and serious relationships stupid in this situation.
So friendzone both Black and Blonde Tails will probably remain my Canon Route.
(Ofc I'll play all possible routes)
Edit: And Honestly I sense big problems with Hana and just don't like Mina (don't like as LI and totally not interested in "broaden her horizons", with self inserting*, both characters are amazing)
Or maybe I'm just more into older women... I'd surely date Felicia and become FWB with Kathleen, lol
The thing is I find FWB relationships "unnatural", and serious relationships stupid in this situation.
So friendzone both Black and Blonde Tails will probably remain my Canon Route.
(Ofc I'll play all possible routes)
Edit: And Honestly I sense big problems with Hana and just don't like Mina (don't like as LI and totally not interested in "broaden her horizons", with self inserting*, both characters are amazing)
Or maybe I'm just more into older women... I'd surely date Felicia and become FWB with Kathleen, lol
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Good thing, there are options.
I'm actually more interested in the stuff that is happening outside of the club and I like Hana a lot more than any of the Carnations and Mina as well...
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You seems to be traditional in relationship or sexuallity. I've no problem if my FWB has benefits with other men, as I've benefits with other girls. It can even lead to MMF threesome, but I bet you despise the idea.
You'd be surprised.
What I'm against are asymmetrical views on sex. In that segment of mine you quoted I was trying to get the other person to see the contrast between how often players imagine themselves as a guy with a lot of girls but rarely imagine them as a guy dating a girl who's also with a lot of guys, yet that's the exact situation there.
I think you're probably more on the same side as me than you'd realize - and when these "mina character arguments" come up, the biggest fans of hers would likely be people in the 'other camp'. In a sense, that's kinda what discussions about Mina represent, a proxy war heh. Or in other words, I'd bet good money the majority of PC players opposed to mmf scenes are also big Mina fans.
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As for Me... not tatally traditional, always depends on circumances, I like experiments overall so it's just personal issue, bad life experience with FWB... always one side decide to cross the line and become something bigger and it ends badly (for some people it ends with happy marriage or peaceful break up, but Personally for Me it always ended bad)
But I'll still play all routes for interest, Just one playthrough "playin' myself"
And yeah, originally FWB means Free Pass for both but we know dev's will avoid real netorare so it's already signs of harem
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I wouldn't, no, but then again I stuck Mina firmly in the friendzone so the question isn't really applicable. If I DID have a bunch of dark kinks I was considering exploring, however, I can see why I'd prefer to explore them with a casual friend rather than a serious girlfriend - or boyfriend, for that matter.
I strongly disagree. Mina's motivations aren't entirely rational and they may well be very bad for her (depending on the sort of MC we're playing), but I find them entirely realistic. People do stupid, self-deluding stuff all the time.
Just a reminder that Mina's the one who all but outright rejects the notion of getting into a relationship with Edwin.
Porn game contrivance of a sexual bucket list aside, her motivations for not wanting a relationship with the player character makes sense to me. She tells him she wants to work on herself, which is perfectly valid coming hot off the heels of the first man she ever loved systematically destroying her trust in men, but you can also read into it in less self-affirming ways too.
I mean, the question of what motivated her clumsy seduction of Edwin is an obvious one, brought up in the text itself. Does she even like Edwin enough to want to actually date him? Is he a way of getting back at Ian? Is it somewhere in between? Maybe it all comes down to self-esteem and a budding, cynical view on monogamy? One of the central elements of her character, that the text crudely beats the player over the head with, is the unknowability across human relationships. Where does the bullshit begin, where does it end, and how much of Edwin's cynicism is he projecting onto her?
Admittedly, writing a character from that starting point is a pretty convenient way to sweep inconsistencies under the rug, but... I am thankful Mina made her choice. It works out being prtty nicely for me in terms of the story's branching structure going forward.
Porn game contrivance of a sexual bucket list aside, her motivations for not wanting a relationship with the player character makes sense to me. She tells him she wants to work on herself, which is perfectly valid coming hot off the heels of the first man she ever loved systematically destroying her trust in men, but you can also read into it in less self-affirming ways too.
I mean, the question of what motivated her clumsy seduction of Edwin is an obvious one, brought up in the text itself. Does she even like Edwin enough to want to actually date him? Is he a way of getting back at Ian? Is it somewhere in between? Maybe it all comes down to self-esteem and a budding, cynical view on monogamy? One of the central elements of her character, that the text crudely beats the player over the head with, is the unknowability across human relationships. Where does the bullshit begin, where does it end, and how much of Edwin's cynicism is he projecting onto her?
Admittedly, writing a character from that starting point is a pretty convenient way to sweep inconsistencies under the rug, but... I am thankful Mina made her choice. It works out being prtty nicely for me in terms of the story's branching structure going forward.
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Oh my god, I dunno 'bout Edwin but I project a fuckin' lot of my cynism into Mina, that's Why I'm often repeatin' "I don't like Mina but she's amazing Character"
We'd never had such discussions here if We'd be able to read characters Thoughts. So we can make decisions somewhat blindly (at least at first) like in real life and not after short identification of one of standard tropes.
You've said so much and revealed so nothing and that's amazing cause the most crucial part is: I can continue saying she's just usin' Edwin for satisfaction of her egoistic needs and interests, without long going plans on their shaky relationship, and almost any random nerd (satisfying some criteria ofc) had chance to be in MC's place, and maybe will have chance in nearby future
Well, it is my job to be long-winded and not say anything of value.We'd never had such discussions here if We'd be able to read characters Thoughts. So we can make decisions somewhat blindly (at least at first) like in real life and not after short identification of one of standard tropes.
You've said so much and revealed so nothing and that's amazing cause the most crucial part is: I can continue saying she's just usin' Edwin for satisfaction of her egoistic needs and interests, without long going plans on their shaky relationship, and almost any random nerd (satisfying some criteria ofc) had chance to be in MC's place, and maybe will have chance in nearby future
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Well, it is my job to be long-winded and not say anything of value.
*chup chup chup or maybe those are just felicia noises..
I've never understood this perspective, though to credit your point I often hear it from women in the real world, not men. Seems to me if someone's not comfortable or embarassed with revealing certain preferences/kinks/behaviors their relationship isn't really that close.
Granted, some things can be mighty embarassing, I know I myself have kept things concealed during relationships. But that doesn't mean I'd be more willing to talk about them with a stranger - or if I was, it'd be because they're merely being glossed over; drinking game style.
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