VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[desmosome]

I'm not so sure. I definitely think we can get Kathleen on the MC's side, but that would be a case of her considering the MC a friend rather than a change in her overall disposition. I doubt redemption is in the cards for her. I don't see much to indicate that the way she treats people bothers her in the slightest.

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Kathleen's line that the MC hasn't had the kindness beaten out of him doesn't say much for her idealism. Perhaps she had the kindness beat out of her long ago and thus her cynicism is more of a defense mechanism. If so, she's pretty well defended because there's no sign of restraint or empathy from her. She's eager to get what she wants by whatever method is most expedient, and she routinely dismisses the concerns of those around her - even August and Chuck who seem to regard her as a friend (though she's forced to act behind their backs).

To be redeemed, Kathleen would have to accept that what she has been doing is wrong. Could she ever be willing not only to give up exploiting people but to actively undo the benefits of her previous exploitation? It's possible - and I'd certainly love it if that happens - but I'm not holding my breath.

It's heavily implied that the previous dude in MC's job was disappeared by Kathleen lol. She is absolutely ruthless and I see little chance of redemption. The way I see it, it isn't that MC can bring her to his side, but more like the MC will go over to her side if you choose.

I really would like to get some nice leverage over her and reverse the power dynamics, but I'm not so sure that is in the cards. Let's see what happens. The writing keeps things really realistic in that every character is acting according to their own motivations and abilities. This makes it hard to predict the outcomes based on our typical porn game expectations where the universe and logic revolves around the MC.

 

[Retromancer]

This is an extremely complex philosophical question, especially for a pirate forum dedicated to AVG

This is what we're reduced to without new content. Complex philosophical discussions about the game.

 

[helo138]

It's heavily implied that the previous dude in MC's job was disappeared by Kathleen lol. She is absolutely ruthless and I see little chance of redemption. The way I see it, it isn't that MC can bring her to his side, but more like the MC will go over to her side if you choose.

I really would like to get some nice leverage over her and reverse the power dynamics, but I'm not so sure that is in the cards. Let's see what happens. The writing keeps things really realistic in that every character is acting according to their own motivations and abilities. This makes it hard to predict the outcomes based on our typical porn game expectations where the universe and logic revolves around the MC.

I would really like the option to turn the tables on Kathleen. I hope the devs make it possible.

 

[hentai666]

Pale Carnations is #14 on the weighted rating list. Lets get it into the top 10! If you haven't rated get it done, 5 stars!

How does one view the weighted rating list?

 

[sunaboz]

How does one view the weighted rating list?

Latest Updates -> Filters -> Weighted rating

 

[fleuranza]

need more hana & mina contents in the future version, great job

 

[ninetofive]

Pale Carnations is #14 on the weighted rating list. Lets get it into the top 10! If you haven't rated get it done, 5 stars!

Up to 13 now! Cool to find out about this feature much better way to find games to try than going through the trending games list.

Just for my own curiosity, what's the update schedule like for this game? It looks like it was released in April and there has been one update in November, is that accurate?

 

[MoarDakka123]

Up to 13 now! Cool to find out about this feature much better way to find games to try than going through the trending games list.

Just for my own curiosity, what's the update schedule like for this game? It looks like it was released in April and there has been one update in November, is that accurate?

I only discovered this a few months back, and considering I just browse LATEST UPDATES, that's probably accurate.

 

[ename144]

Up to 13 now! Cool to find out about this feature much better way to find games to try than going through the trending games list.

Just for my own curiosity, what's the update schedule like for this game? It looks like it was released in April and there has been one update in November, is that accurate?

I only found the game in December. But from what I've pieced together, there have been three releases:

1. Chapter 1 (2020-04-17)
2. Chapter 2 Update 1 (2020-08-02)
3. Chapter 2 Update 2 [covering the first Exhibition] (2020-11-23)

So it's been ~110 days per update. I'd say it's a decent amount of content for that pace, though obviously we'd always love more.

 

[Watcher X]

Just for my own curiosity, what's the update schedule like for this game? It looks like it was released in April and there has been one update in November, is that accurate?

Updates are anywhere between 4-6 months, so not too often. However, games like this one have unusually large updates with double/triple/quadruple the amount of content of most games. Similar to games like Light of My Life where updates are about every 6 months but you get several hours of story instead of just 5 minutes worth every month.

 

[Watcher X]

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"My eyes involuntary wondered over to Mina and part of me grasped the answer."

Oh Mina my waifu...what was the question???? Very much looking forward to the next chapter.

 

[Retromancer]

Also dev has said on their Discord that next week might be broken up into 3 parts, which means a February release is possible. I stress possible. If you are not supporting this game already, please do!

 

[Avaron1974]

I would really like the option to turn the tables on Kathleen. I hope the devs make it possible.

Doubt that will happen, she owns the place.

If he starts trying to do that she'll just get rid of him, and I don't mean fire.

Might be able to soften her up to him but turning things round on her completely, not likely.

 

[Retromancer]

Doubt that will happen, she owns the place.

I think it's clear she does not own the place. There are some heavy hitters behind her. She's Ghislaine Maxwell to Jeffrey Epstein. She is also the only woman outside of the main 5 who has a special stat. Both porn and story logic point to the fact she can be flipped in some way - whether it's having her help end the club, converting her to an evil MC's side, or turning the tables on her. I think all 3 are likely possibilities.

 

[Watcher X]

I think it's clear she does not own the place. There are some heavy hitters behind her. She's Ghislaine Maxwell to Jeffrey Epstein. She is also the only woman outside of the main 5 who has a special stat. Both porn and story logic point to the fact she can be flipped in some way - whether it's having her help end the club, converting her to an evil MC's side, or turning the tables on her. I think all 3 are likely possibilities.

I think her main business concern is the sex drugs she is developing. What I'm not sure on is if the drugs are her ticket to making a fortune and leaving the club, or are the drugs being developed to improve the clubs business. I'm still trying to figure out what her true motivations are.

 

[helo138]

Doubt that will happen, she owns the place.

If he starts trying to do that she'll just get rid of him, and I don't mean fire.

Might be able to soften her up to him but turning things round on her completely, not likely.

Argh. Don´t destroy my dream.
I meant I would like to have the chance to turn the tables on her, I don´t see it as the most likely outcome.

 

[MoarDakka123]

I can definitely see you turning the tables on her, but I guess we would need to define what that even means.
To me, The Promises that you get to make (Help Rosalind win, help with Veronica's struggles, help Felicia ___ ) seem like the way you turn the tables on Kathleen by undermining the spirit of the entire Carnation, but I could see that not qualifying for others... Though I guess I don't even know Kathleen's attitude on that particular matter. Chuck at least seems to care about the "honor" or "code" of how they do things, maybe Hana's dad too, but if it's revealed that Kathleen's just playing along it wouldn't exactly surprise me.

I doubt we'll see Kathleen redeemed as ename144 defined it on the previous page, but I could see a "when did I fall so low?" -kind of moment of epiphany, or something along those lines. Kathleen is a despicable human being, no doubt, but I don't think she's completely rotten to the core; which is probably the largest reason I want to hear her thoughts on all of this from a philosophical perspective. Her worldview is clearly completely different from mine, and her stories about her sister and comment on "kindness being beaten out of you" coupled with her few moments of emotional connection/vulnerability (Assuming her little lapse at the end of the latest episode wasn't just deception/showmanship) make me really interested in hearing what she has to say about all of this stuff. In contrast, Chuck sounded very hand-wavey and nonchalant (which isn't very interesting), while August just strikes me as someone who has seen the worst society has to offer and is okay with it.

EDIT: Actually, something minor that ename144 said at some point that I couldn't be bothered to respond to at the time; I don't think Kathleen herself is a mystery as such, I should have properly emphasized that it's the why of it that I'm interested in.

 

[Assassini]

Is there an ETA for the next content update? I probably should be happy with how much content there already is given that it seems it only came to F95 last August, but godamn this game is so fucking good!

Also, apologies in advance for asking, as I suspect this is asked all the time, but I couldn't see anything in the past few pages of comments.

 

[sunaboz]

(...) Also, apologies in advance for asking, as I suspect this is asked all the time, but I couldn't see anything in the past few pages of comments.

Not sure if serious:

Also dev has said on their Discord that next week might be broken up into 3 parts, which means a February release is possible. I stress possible. If you are not supporting this game already, please do!

Literally 5 posts above yours...

But to err on the side of caution expect a March release if all goes well.

Anyway, I understand your anticipation since this game is a true gem but we won't hurry devs by asking that question. The only way to have a chance of speeding things up is by becoming a patron. More money means more motivation and/or a chance to hire more help.

 

[Assassini]

Not sure if serious:

Literally 5 posts above yours...

But to err on the side of caution expect a March release if all goes well.

Anyway, I understand your anticipation since this game is a true gem but we won't hurry devs by asking that question. The only way to have a chance of speeding things up is by becoming a patron. More money means more motivation and/or a chance to hire more help.

Oh bloody hell. Yes, I was serious. But no, I didn't see that...


Oh, of course I wasn't intending this as a pressure. More a case of curiosity if they had suggested a timeline or anything of the sort! Cheers for filling me in.