VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ottoeight]

We might just be about to unravel a murder mystery and who knows how far that will go or what we will find out. It probably depends on how evil TD1900 is...I mean how dark the story will become.

I think the shit will hit the fan hard. How much it heavily hits and the outcome will depend on our gameplay choices, of course.

 

[Ragnar]

No need to be incest or Ian obviously the devs avoiding that scenario MC mother can go back to business like an escort or simply starting meeting people in night clubs or other places because loneliness and desperation for lust after so long being single or without sex and not see her self in relationship and she still considers her self young beautiful attractive and thinks she still has a lot to experience and enjoy in life and meeting Felicia for example in those night clubs that can drag her back into Carnations or rich people parties and orgies or Felicia is instructed by Kathleen to drag MC mother into situations like that so she can bring her back into the club or Felicia husband knows or finds out about MC and Felicia and bangs or force his mother into something or maybe she already doing parties or being escort without her son knowing and MC finally finds out or maybe she is not working
what she tells her son MC not visiting her very often anyway maybe she is still working for Carnations from time to time sleeping with enemies of the club recording them so they can later blackmailing powerful people so they will pay his scholarship instead they drag him into the club like some twisted game for Kathleen or maybe she works for competition because what they did to her in the past and the club finds out or maybe only Kathleen knows and hiring him instead killing them like some twisted game she enjoys maybe thats why his apartment was bugged and previous dude in that apartment dissapeared maybe he was working with MC mother or MC mother somehow being setup by Kathleen while MC watches from another room through glass or through cameras and MC instead reacting awakens some perversions that he will practice on the other girls or force or convince Mina to try those on her which she already confessed that she has very pervy thoughts and desires that she wants to try especially with him and that can lead to him proposing or tricking her or forcing her into join the club with promises of successful carrier which was mentioned that Mina struggles to succeed and later she regrets or practicing those on Rose later on. Rose already shown that she wants to be dominated not only because of the agreement. Also MC mother can join the club or sexual activities because Kathleen or the doctor or doctor assistant by lying to her that her son its in trouble or because financial status she struggles and she not want to bother her son. Also being Gangbanged and dominated in the past awakened some pervert dark side in her that she struggled so much and for so long to keep it in her self because of her son but finally explodes again on the surface! I also really want to see scenes with Ian mother maybe between MC and Grace he becoming twisted and perverted so much and not being able to control himself ignoring the fact that she is his BF mother or she being involved in any other actions her husband never being home working traveling etc going in night clubs meeting Felicia and turn her into a slut or something like that or she admires MC ambitions and being responsible and planing being a doctor planing his big future totally opposite from her lazy son and she being ignored by her husband for so long after long conversation and some wine can lead to a lot more and MC can exploit that and turn her into his personal slut that he can exploit and blackmail but she being lonely can still enjoy after being ignored for so long and be seduced even more by MC pride arrogance and Big Tool or maybe he can use the syringe that Kathleen gave him on her. Ofcourse there is so many options and possibilities this are only few! About incest maybe there is possibility in some party with masks arranged by Kathleen and they dont know who they are or MC mother being tied up and turned with her back and MC being told to fuck her Hardcore maybe even analy like some twisted game from Kathleen or maybe because she works for someone the club dont like and she being punished without MC knowing who is fucking and hes is told to do her hard or maybe he did something the club dont like and thats the punisment while he being drugged or he thinks being rewarded while Kathleen gives him injection to make him super horny and he bangs her hard or something!

Ian x MC's Mom is the obvious route, maybe make it only optional if you cuck him with Mina or if you try to fuck Ian's mother behind his back. Ian has a big Oedipus complex and she's like a surrogate mother to him already.
Going back to porn or prostitution doesn't make sense because the MC is now making money at the Club to help her if money problems arise.

 

[ShadowLordV1]

We might just be about to unravel a murder mystery and who knows how far that will go or what we will find out. It probably depends on how evil TD1900 is...I mean how dark the story will become.

DA:2 Vibes over here...

 

[Ottoeight]

Just wondering why Ragnar is always right. Damn

 

[ubblesnop]

tastes vary. For me, even the club stuff doesn't go as hard as I would personally find enticing. No scene has for me, as of yet.

Wait… you’re one of the developers? And you don’t personally find it satisfyingly edgy?

Personally I agree with you, the game holds too far back for my personal tastes, or gives Edwin qualms or has the club’s boss do things that I would like to do vicariously through Edwin…. So I’m wondering why you don’t make it edgier? (And please especially make things edgier with Felicia)

 

[ename144]

You do realize that Victoria getting "involved in sexual intercourse" doesn't have to be with the MC, right? We don't know, what TD has in store for her. Depending on the decisions of the player there could be a path were Kath will use her against the MC for example. She already kinda threaten him about that.

Kathleen using Victoria as leverage is crossing the Godzilla threshold. If she escalates things to that level the MC will have no choice but to take action, either eliminating Kat once and for all or embracing his inner demons and abandoning his devotion to his mother going forward. Either way, the game will effectively be over once the dust settles.

Given that, it's not happening any time soon, and I personally don't see it happening at all. Kathleen would be well aware of the dangers of this approach and she has plenty of other, far less drastic tools at her disposal. IMHO, if we do ever see a full scene with Victoria, I think it's much more likely to be because TD thought of a way to weave one of her old films into the narrative.

 

[TD1900]

Wait… you’re one of the developers? And you don’t personally find it satisfyingly edgy?

Personally I agree with you, the game holds too far back for my personal tastes, or gives Edwin qualms or has the club’s boss do things that I would like to do vicariously through Edwin…. So I’m wondering why you don’t make it edgier? (And please especially make things edgier with Felicia)

There's nuggets of what I like in everything, and I do get something out of every scene we do. The whole reason I picked up this hobby was to make the kind of porn I enjoy - and I've got a wide range in what I like. There I was just saying the scenario had yet to approach the rougher end of that spectrum. And why hasn't it?

Well, if I only make one porn game in my lifetime (and I hope I do make more), I want it to be comprehensive of my tastes - not just porn wise, but be a story I'd personally enjoy too. And that entails stuff like a conflicted MC and an escalation to the madness. And practically speaking, to facilitate player choice AND not make Edwin totally schizo, he needs a bit of back and forth until the story's main conflict shifts to something more tangible.

 

[se20299]

I think most of these Vicky theories are wishful thinking at best. Developers went on record that present Victoria will not be involved sexually at all, and that means no incest. And I think that's for the best, as Victoria's story and her "career's" effect on Edwin is too well written and complex to throw away for a gratuitous incest plotline, when the genre is already overstaturated with "porn without plot" type games. It also doesn't help that we have 5 main girls already, and Vicky is firmly planted as a minor character in the pecking order. We know who the story revolves around.

As for the theory that Ian is fucking Vicky, or will fuck her sometimes in the future, it has pretty much been tanked during the last update, considering their interaction was very platonic. Also, considering we're nearing the second half of the game, I doubt it will happen considering no seeds has been planted for it to happen, especially in such short timespan.

I'm much more curious about Vicky's past relation to the Club, or rather it's less formal predecessor which was just a glorified porn/prostitution ring, rather than the macabre spectacle the Carnation Club is today due to Kat's money. I think it's pretty obvious that August used to be her producer, maybe he even used to pimp her out to wealthy clients like Dr Chuck, which would explain her dislike for Chuck that she refused to elaborate on to Edwin, or her surprised and aloof reaction to Edwin mentioning August, and Vicky's clumsy attempt to get Ian to divulge information about August and co by playing dumb. There's no reason the dev would leave this little plot thread in if it wasn't relevant somehow. I just wonder if it'll play any part in the endgame, or if Edwin will find out the truth at all.

I'm also interested in the potential fallout if Vicky finds out about Edwin's job, or his knowledge of her porn career. Despite her being a good mother and doing her best with what she had, she has inadvertently caused massive damage to Edwin, considering he's a loner shut in with mommy issues that treats his only "friend" like crap and recreationally watches his mom's cinematic exploits with dozens of gentlemen. I think people on here underestimate just how fucked up Edwin is.

To me, there's always been this unsettling darkness bubbling under Edwin's "mediocre nice guy" exterior, and his inner monologues give us hints just how poorly adjusted and antisocial he is. He's definitely dissasociated to some degree, and Kat's definitely sensed that Edwin is far more monstrous than he appears, definitely much more than Ian, who I think is just very misguided by Chuck, and even his own parents. I'm not denying that Ian is a scumbag, but he seems pretty introspective about his own issues, while I get the sense that Edwin is not even conciously aware of his own mommy issues, and how much repressed anger he has over it. The only time Edwin truly seems alive is when he's angry or when he's hummiliating or harming the girls. He just seems like he's going through the motions the rest of the time.

Maybe I'm just bored at work and overthinking this

 

[Takkatakka]

Kathleen using Victoria as leverage is crossing the Godzilla threshold. If she escalates things to that level the MC will have no choice but to take action, either eliminating Kat once and for all or embracing his inner demons and abandoning his devotion to his mother going forward. Either way, the game will effectively be over once the dust settles.

Given that, it's not happening any time soon, and I personally don't see it happening at all. Kathleen would be well aware of the dangers of this approach and she has plenty of other, far less drastic tools at her disposal. IMHO, if we do ever see a full scene with Victoria, I think it's much more likely to be because TD thought of a way to weave one of her old films into the narrative.

I was just spitballing here. There are a lot of ways Victoria COULD end-up getting fucked in the game by "some" guy. I'm not saying this will happen a 100%, but I also wouldn't rule it out a 100% either.

 

[Ottoeight]

I was just spitballing here. There are a lot of ways Victoria COULD end-up getting fucked in the game by "some" guy. I'm not saying this will happen a 100%, but I also wouldn't rule it out a 100% either.

For crying out loud, why and how should it happen? how could it happen? with whom? just tell me. What's more, how would you fit the whole event into the storyline? when, how and why?

And please someone tell me why in the damn world Kathleen should exploit or manipulate Victoria.

Kathleen using Victoria as leverage is crossing the Godzilla threshold. If she escalates things to that level the MC will have no choice but to take action, either eliminating Kat once and for all or embracing his inner demons and abandoning his devotion to his mother going forward. Either way, the game will effectively be over once the dust settles.

Given that, it's not happening any time soon, and I personally don't see it happening at all. Kathleen would be well aware of the dangers of this approach and she has plenty of other, far less drastic tools at her disposal. IMHO, if we do ever see a full scene with Victoria, I think it's much more likely to be because TD thought of a way to weave one of her old films into the narrative.

I think most of these Vicky theories are wishful thinking at best.

Yes. Why should it happen? it wouldn't make sense. If they want some "mom action", they can go somewhere else. F95 has got plenty of their favourite gimmicks.

There's nuggets of what I like in everything, and I do get something out of every scene we do. The whole reason I picked up this hobby was to make the kind of porn I enjoy - and I've got a wide range in what I like. There I was just saying the scenario had yet to approach the rougher end of that spectrum. And why hasn't it?

Well, if I only make one porn game in my lifetime (and I hope I do make more), I want it to be comprehensive of my tastes - not just porn wise, but be a story I'd personally enjoy too. And that entails stuff like a conflicted MC and an escalation to the madness. And practically speaking, to facilitate player choice AND not make Edwin totally schizo, he needs a bit of back and forth until the story's main conflict shifts to something more tangible.

I think that some players haven't realised that the story is escalating and every exhibition week is "heavier" than the previous week. Maybe they think that the Carnations' Hell Week is like BaDIKs' Hell Week - beer drinking & pranks.

 

[Turret]

I'm also interested in the potential fallout if Vicky finds out about Edwin's job, or his knowledge of her porn career. Despite her being a good mother and doing her best with what she had, she has inadvertently caused massive damage to Edwin, considering he's a loner shut in with mommy issues that treats his only "friend" like crap and recreationally watches his mom's cinematic exploits with dozens of gentlemen. I think people on here underestimate just how fucked up Edwin is.

To me, there's always been this unsettling darkness bubbling under Edwin's "mediocre nice guy" exterior, and his inner monologues give us hints just how poorly adjusted and antisocial he is. He's definitely dissasociated to some degree, and Kat's definitely sensed that Edwin is far more monstrous than he appears, definitely much more than Ian, who I think is just very misguided by Chuck, and even his own parents. I'm not denying that Ian is a scumbag, but he seems pretty introspective about his own issues, while I get the sense that Edwin is not even conciously aware of his own mommy issues, and how much repressed anger he has over it. The only time Edwin truly seems alive is when he's angry or when he's hummiliating or harming the girls. He just seems like he's going through the motions the rest of the time.

And here we can see how good the story of PC is so far. While I definitely agree that "Edwin", he is not called that in my game, has some serious mental problems, he does not have to be as fucked up as in your game.
My MC has a great bromance with Ian going on and is most definitely not abusing the girls. He can make hard decisions if he thinks them needed (he does enough to keep some modicum of trust and relations with his bosses for now, but nothing more), still normally he can circumvent this. He has good relations with most persons in the game, esp. Hana, Felicia, Ian and Rosi. Mina is a good friend, but there is nothing else going on.

Despite being a goodish person, I am quite aware of the MC´s social and mental problems and there is a reason why I consider the best possible girlfirends for him Hana, Felicia and Sophia! While all three have their own demons they carry around, these three girls are a great fit for both a good and a bad Edwin.

 

[Dessolos]

Going back to porn or prostitution doesn't make sense because the MC is now making money at the Club to help her if money problems arise.

I agree it doesn't make sense for money reasons but I can see Kathleen tricking her, blackmail or some other method to get her to work there to have leverage over the MC. Even if she isn't working there as a house girl but just some job that isn't sexual in nature. Because the MC and Hana and maybe Ian to some extent are the only ones that clearly have morals at least as far as management goes. While yes the MC has incentive to work because of money for college and try to fit in. I can see Kathleen pushing the boundaries too far for the MC and he refuses to do something so she finds a way to use his mom as leverage to keep him more in line for the future.

Now I know this may not make 100% sense to you or other since it's an idea I just spitball so not even well thought out. But I thought it was close enough to a possibility that could make sense with some tweaks. While yes I personally would want the mother to end up at the club for some reason ( not for lewd scenes) but for one reason or another just to cause issues for the MC. As well it could serve as a small arc for Hana there to help him either getting her out of the club or just helping in some way as well as would show her how far someone like Kathleen really would go. While Hana knows already how far she would go I think it's different from knowing and seeing it happen first hand.

Now I know this will never happen but it's fun for me to think of scenes in these game I would like to see even if they might not make the most sense or would ever happen. I do think a small part of this idea could happen but very very very unlikely.

 

[Ottoeight]

I'm also interested in the potential fallout if Vicky finds out about Edwin's job, or his knowledge of her porn career. Despite her being a good mother and doing her best with what she had, she has inadvertently caused massive damage to Edwin, considering he's a loner shut in with mommy issues that treats his only "friend" like crap and recreationally watches his mom's cinematic exploits with dozens of gentlemen. I think people on here underestimate just how fucked up Edwin is.

I think some people don't realise that Victoria is a broken person as much as her son.

She was forced in doing porn as much as Lucy was forced into prostituting herself in the club, and she is "embellishing" herself and her son's past behaviour as much as Hana's mother is embellishing her past porn career.
MC is definitely aware of it: he always makes a comparison between Rosalind and his mom, between Lucy and his mom, between Hana's mom and his mom.

 

[Takkatakka]

For crying out loud, why and how should it happen? how could it happen? with whom? just tell me. What's more, how would you fit the whole event into the storyline? when, how and why?

And please someone tell me why in the damn world Kathleen should exploit or manipulate Victoria.

Because the MC might find out that Kath is a murderer? Tons of possibilities...

 

[Ungawa]

... Ya know... Sometimes, you just read some of the pages of the thread...

And I swear, all the devs gotta do is jot down notes on what to do and what not to do and not say a word as people give far more ideas...

Just sit back and...

 

[se20299]

I think some people don't realise that Victoria is a broken person as much as her son.

She was forced in doing porn as much as Lucy was forced into prostituting herself in the club, and she is "embellishing" herself and her son's past behaviour as much as Hana's mother is embellishing her past porn career.
MC is definitely aware of it: he always makes a comparison between Rosalind and his mom, between Lucy and his mom, between Hana's mom and his mom.

I wouldn't call Victoria "broken". Sure, she has absolutely no filter and doesn't seem to mind walking out half naked in front of her son and his friend, but that's because she's already used to doing really nasty stuff on camera, so she probably became naturally flirty and comfortable with sexual talk. Vicky actually seems pretty well adjusted for a sex worker, without falling into the pitfalls most other pornstars and prostitutes fall into. All in all, she's been a great mother to Edwin, despite their circumstances.

If anything, Edwin's the one embellishing and coping with the fact that his mom was a nasty skank, getting gangbanged and eating assholes on camera. He keeps insisting that he doesn't view women differently because of his mother and that her porn career doesn't bother him, but the lady doth protest too much in my opinion. Vicky is a martyr in Edwins mind, and it would probably break him even mode to think that his mom is a slut that enjoyed doing porn and getting humilliated.

While I don't think she's "broken", I do think our dear Vicky is far more freaky than she appears. It's confirmed that she did porn for a few years, and if porn pays so badly that she can't quit, she might as well have worked at McDonalds. But we all know why she stayed in the biz

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[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

At no point during Victoria's conversation with Ian last update were her recently failed dating attempts addressed. This plot thread that was introduced near the very start of the game is still unresolved, as far as I can tell.

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[se20299]

At no point during Victoria's conversation with Ian last update were her recently failed dating attempts addressed. This plot thread that was introduced near the very start of the game is still unresolved, as far as I can tell.

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She said it herself that she's using one night stands after her career to scratch the itch, so I'm pretty sure that she's regularly getting railed by Tinder guys, it's just that none of them are hubby material.

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It's pretty hard for a 45yo widowed single mother to find a suitable partner, especially on dating apps. That doesn't mean a beuatiful woman like her doesn't have dick appointments with hot fuckboys looking to pump and dump.

 

[lkjhgfdfghjkl]

She said it herself that she's using one night stands after her career to scratch the itch, so I'm pretty sure that she's regularly getting railed by Tinder guys, it's just that none of them are hubby material.

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It's pretty hard for a 45yo widowed single mother to find a suitable partner, especially on dating apps. That doesn't mean a beuatiful woman like her doesn't have dick appointments with hot fuckboys looking to pump and dump.

The dating app was introduced at the start of the story and Victoria stopped using it shortly afterwards, whether she fucked any of her dates isn't really the point. When discussing with Edwin she is unsuccessfully looking for something that satisfies more than physical needs. At least 1 of them isn't hearing the full truth from her

 

[IceboundArt]

I've been wanting to play this game for awhile now, but don't have much free time anymore, sadly. So I can't really spend time reloading on the same run over and over again. Could someone explain to me how the "routes" in this game work?

Is it see all the girls content in a single play-through, but pick who you like in the end? Should I focus on one girl per play-through?
Or is it a bit of a mix? Also, are certain "backgrounds" better for certain girls or are they mostly for flavor?

Thanks in advance and apologies if this question is a bit annoying, I tried searching but didn't really get a clear answer.