You may be right, that's why I am looking forward to the next update with the suitcase. At some point, the "main" story around club politics should take off, at this point the dynamic between MC and Kathleen may change as well, hopefully depending on our choices.
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I don't know why you are expecting something from that department in the next update, since it's going to cover Wednesday.
One of the Authors just posted a few posts above yours telling that "this update is going to have multiple scenes with various characters. All five heroines will make an appearance, and four of them (depending on your decisions) will have what I would deem significant h-scene additions."
Here: https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-update-3-mutt-jeff.50281/post-12157159
Anyway, I think we shouldn't expect that sooner or later Kathleen might overshadow the main girls in some sort of route of her own. As the Authors themselves told, we have 5 heroines, and Kathleen isn't one of them: the 5 heroines are Hana, Mina and the Carnations.
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Take this as you will, but Kathleen is the heroine of my heart.
Interesting and even a bit more interesting in terms of who the four heroines of the next update could be!
My three favourite heroines of the heart are Hana, Felicia and Sophia! Followed with some distance by Mina, Rosi and Dalia. No matter how much or few content they have. Still I hope we will see more of Sophia and Dalia. And as you already know what I would like to see in regards to Sophia, I know that is a small hope, but still hope.
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I was referring to the update after this one. Currently, not much is known about the content of the rest of the week, so I assume the suitcase scene will take place during Thursday or Friday.
And with regards to overshadowing love interests and so on, please see the comment from TD above.
My personal wish for the ending:
I want Kathleen to get a taste, or rather a large bucket, of her own medicine, preferably by MCs or the carnations hand. I just find the downfall all the sweeter, if it starts from a position of power. However, since this is a porn game, I prefer punishments to be strictly on the lewd/BDSM-side of things. Prison or worse is a waste in my eyes, especially for a hot woman like Kathleen.
Maybe Kathleen as a carnation for the next exhibiton. A man can dream.
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Kathleen is great character with great potential to have her own routes. I mean on the surface she looks like she's in the Club just for sex and depravity but there is more to her than that.
1st She has been doing shit behind the club's back with Von Doren.
2nd She's trying to get Hana and Edwin on her side.
Arthur is just business, Chuck is there for the pussies. I can see her ending on top of everyone by the end, like I can see her failing at her powerplay and paying the price.
1st She has been doing shit behind the club's back with Von Doren.
2nd She's trying to get Hana and Edwin on her side.
Arthur is just business, Chuck is there for the pussies. I can see her ending on top of everyone by the end, like I can see her failing at her powerplay and paying the price.
Groce.
I'd wager the only players who care about kathleen are milf lovers, without a doubt a large group, probably the majority of all players here. However, my point is if you strip that away her appeal shrinks to nil. I wonder how many non-milf-lovers even give her the time of day, I certainly don't.
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Kathleen is an interesting villain, because instead of being profit driven like August, or even lust driven lile Chuck, she seems to be doing shit just for the evulz. She seems the only one who truly enjoys the degradation and corruption aspect of the club. Without her, the club would just be a fancy whorehouse.
Despite Ian being far more naive and moldable than Edwin, already looking up to Chuck and being familiar with the club already, she seems to have pinpointed Edwin as her sadistic "protege", and is looking to corrupt him from an average chump into a monster like her.
Despite Ian being a pussy hound and a pervert, there's still a childlike naivite to him that would stop him from truly embracing Kat's brand of sadism beyond surface level. But Kat has probably noticed that underneath Edwins "nerdy loser" exterior lies a disturbing darkness and huge repressed anger, and after finding out about Vicky's trial and tribulations, selling her body for survival of her family, that sealed the deal for Kat, who seems to be using Rose to stir up Edwin's mommy issues and make him more pliable for her.
Of course, like most villains, Kat's downfall is already getting orchestrated by her own ego. Despite Ian being more fit to be a chess piece, Kat wants a true sucessor for her brand of cruelty, and the only person capable of that is Edwin. But Edwin is also a wide eyed idealist, and his mother complex is precisely what makes him the perfect foil to Kat. While Kat was right that Vicky's porn career awakened something dark in Edwin, he's also extremely devoted to his mother. While Kat assumed she'd have an easy time molding Edwin, assuming he'd hate his mom and women in general, but Vicky became a martyr in Edwin's mind, the proverbial angel on his shoulder, and the cause of his savior complex, who sees his own mother in every woman tormented by the club, and has the foolish need to save them, even at his own expense. And as Edwin sees more of the club's inner workings, the more dertermined he is to save the girls.
Of course, that depends on your individual playthrough. In an evil playthrough, Edwin indulges in his dark side, tapping into his pent up anger, punishing the "whores" who remind him too much of his mother, who is a "dirty whore" and the "shining angel" at the same time in Edwin's mind, a juxtaposition of his moral code that gave him such a strange attitute towards sex and a lot of pent up anger that he tells himself he doesn't have.
Combine that with a lack of a father figure to teach him to properly vent his emotions, and Edwin has become the weirdo loner who watches porn of his own mother that we see at the start of the game, and if not for Ian's devotion to him, he would probably not have anyone in his life except his mom. Edwin's inner monologue changes a lot depending if he's good or evil. I want to commend the writer, because it's so interesting to see Edwin being almost self aware of his issues, but he still seems ignorant or in denial about his motivations and the darkness he carries. Every character is so well written, and the dynamic of Kat and Edwin is extremely interesting, wether Edwin is good or evil.
Despite Ian being far more naive and moldable than Edwin, already looking up to Chuck and being familiar with the club already, she seems to have pinpointed Edwin as her sadistic "protege", and is looking to corrupt him from an average chump into a monster like her.
Despite Ian being a pussy hound and a pervert, there's still a childlike naivite to him that would stop him from truly embracing Kat's brand of sadism beyond surface level. But Kat has probably noticed that underneath Edwins "nerdy loser" exterior lies a disturbing darkness and huge repressed anger, and after finding out about Vicky's trial and tribulations, selling her body for survival of her family, that sealed the deal for Kat, who seems to be using Rose to stir up Edwin's mommy issues and make him more pliable for her.
Of course, like most villains, Kat's downfall is already getting orchestrated by her own ego. Despite Ian being more fit to be a chess piece, Kat wants a true sucessor for her brand of cruelty, and the only person capable of that is Edwin. But Edwin is also a wide eyed idealist, and his mother complex is precisely what makes him the perfect foil to Kat. While Kat was right that Vicky's porn career awakened something dark in Edwin, he's also extremely devoted to his mother. While Kat assumed she'd have an easy time molding Edwin, assuming he'd hate his mom and women in general, but Vicky became a martyr in Edwin's mind, the proverbial angel on his shoulder, and the cause of his savior complex, who sees his own mother in every woman tormented by the club, and has the foolish need to save them, even at his own expense. And as Edwin sees more of the club's inner workings, the more dertermined he is to save the girls.
Of course, that depends on your individual playthrough. In an evil playthrough, Edwin indulges in his dark side, tapping into his pent up anger, punishing the "whores" who remind him too much of his mother, who is a "dirty whore" and the "shining angel" at the same time in Edwin's mind, a juxtaposition of his moral code that gave him such a strange attitute towards sex and a lot of pent up anger that he tells himself he doesn't have.
Combine that with a lack of a father figure to teach him to properly vent his emotions, and Edwin has become the weirdo loner who watches porn of his own mother that we see at the start of the game, and if not for Ian's devotion to him, he would probably not have anyone in his life except his mom. Edwin's inner monologue changes a lot depending if he's good or evil. I want to commend the writer, because it's so interesting to see Edwin being almost self aware of his issues, but he still seems ignorant or in denial about his motivations and the darkness he carries. Every character is so well written, and the dynamic of Kat and Edwin is extremely interesting, wether Edwin is good or evil.
The psychological influence Kathleen holds over other characters is her greatest appeal. Their appearance is a bonus
Well said. Her interactions with Edwin are much more interesting than the usual pick your love interest most games engage in. And our choices decide, if we go down one route or the other, as you described.
Although I am very happy that TD remembers the, in my opinion, most important axiom of developing a porn game: Keep the sex scenes coming
, the great visuals of GIL being the icing on the cakeI think Kathleen, whose personality I utterly despise, is severely underrated in the "public discourse". Her perspective adds something very unique to the game, and to Edwin's train of thought - if he ever lets her in, at the very least.
This evening I had an interesting thought. I was talking to my mother yesterday, and we were arguing about familial and romantic love. She said: "Fact is, I love you and your brother in a way you can't possibly comprehend". I replied: "On the contrary, I think I can - I know familial bonds, and I agree they are indeed very strong". She paused for a second, and she said: "No. I don't think you'll ever know the depth of my love for you and your brother". We dropped the topic, since I thought we were arguing semantics... But then, this evening, I was ruminating about Pale Carnations, and this piece of dialogue popped up in my mind:
Edwin: "I just don't want to be someone my mother would hate. That's the one thing that keeps playing in my--"
Kathleen: "Edwin, Edwin, Edwin... Deep down. Do you think your mom could ever possibly hate you?"
Edwin: "...I don't know."
Kathleen: "I don't think she would. Mothers love their sons no matter what."
That's why I think Kathleen can be central in specific playthroughs. Because it can definitely reframe Edwin's and Victoria's relationship, and in particular Edwin's views of her past. Of course, hers is a very cynical / clinical point of view - and the results may not be pleasant; but Pale Carnations is a game of contrasts and shades of gray. To reiterate, her perspective in the game is important - even if you totally reject it.
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Well, Vicky would never hate Edwin for his choices, but she would probably hate herself for being a horrible mother, rightfully or not. Her whole persona she puts up is built upon this wholesome housewife image, and she assumes that Edwin has no idea about what she actually did to put the food on the table. Of course, a woman has her needs, it's just that she scratched the itch and earned money at the same time, and she probably feels guilty about enjoying her humilliation so much. She has no idea that Edwin knows about her freaky past, and imagine her anguish if she ever finds out that Edwin works at such a place, especially since August is hinted to have been her producer/pimp during her glory days.
Of course, it's not completely Vicky's fault, as she did the best with what she had, and Edwin was a nasty kid before he saw his mother get glazed by dozens and dozens of strangers, but I suspect that only served to fuck him up more. Their confrontation about the club and Vicky's porno days seems inevitable, and the outcome will probably depend on Edwin's alignment, as Kat seems to be pushing him to embrace the deep seated anger that Edwin is probably unaware he still has.
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I mean, she gets trashed in the character polls for a reason, but hey... can't buy sophisticated taste.
Speaking as a player, the grandma thing is just one of the pluses.
She gets trashed in these polls, because she acts as the bad guy against the carnations, wants to manipulate/corrupt Hana and so on. Since these acts put her into direct opposition or at least represent competition for the player character, she gets left in the dust regarding popularity. Her age may play a factor, but only a minor one.I mean, she gets trashed in the character polls for a reason, but hey... can't buy sophisticated taste.
Speaking as a player, the grandma thing is just one of the pluses.
However, as others already mentioned she brings something unique to the table, playing mind games with the protagonist with regards to his moral compass, while at the same time setting the stage for the battle of carnations, the main theme of the story. Therefore she is not only a very intriguing character but also an important one, because without her, pale carnations would be a different, probably much less interesting, game.
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I'll be honest: I feel very uncomfortable when she humiliates the Carnations, mostly Rosalind. The electric shocks "game" made me feel miserable.I mean, she gets trashed in the character polls for a reason, but hey... can't buy sophisticated taste.
Speaking as a player, the grandma thing is just one of the pluses.
I hate her so much.
The fact that your work is thrilling me so much tells me how damn good your writing is, in my opinion.
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I mean she pretty much is the antagonist of the game, so it would be weird if tons of players would like her to be the main LI at the same time. That would mean the game doesn't really work for them.
That is of course also true, and one of the reason, why I want to see her fall in my main playthrough.
Who am I kidding, since Pale Carnation is such a great game, I will probably try all the different routes, evil/good/harem
.Kathleen is best girl because she will help Edwin turn every other girl into a slut. Actually scratch that they are all sluts even if they dont know it yet. Kathleen is best girl because she takes every other girl into a spiritual journey of self discovery to help them unleash their inner slut.