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I don't know...they certainly set her up for that, but we getting close to the 4th weekend and there is still so much story to conclude on...I'm not sure there is time and space for that.
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Dependents on mindset, I don't like NTR games in general, but carnations are worthless sluts from plot start. No decent woman worthy of romancing would accept such deal. So MC just manipulate some sluts into being entertainment.
If you want girlfriend material there is Hana/Mina, but carnations...they are just a toys with believable background, to see how low they will fall. It dosen't even matter who will win contest, like in real life no one cares when some whore on crack dies.
Do you feel NTRed when you watch porn? Same concept here. Don't develop any emotional connection to broken goods.
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Have too agree on that. There are too many storylines that i would considerer more important to be developed and reach their conclusion than trying to squish a scene with Ian's mom between them.
Can you think of anything else she "could offer" Edwin? If not sex the main thing I could think of would be either tuition/ and or her connections but both of those are taken care of by the club or its patrons. Maybe if edwin tries to leave the club but at that point there will probably be more pressing issues, and I personally think it would be weirder to have a "storyline" (with associated variables) just dropped or be forced to "side" with Ian (telling his mom about her plan)
Edit: Also doesn't she help further/wrap up Ians story?
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Didn't she promised help with medical college connections? Or am i misremembering things?
Also i don't think sleeping with Ian's mom would help wrap up his story, on the contrary i feel that would serve to add even more drama on Edwin's relationship with him. That is why i think there is not enough time for it with all that is happening.
It might be possible that Grace, Ian´s mom, will become "lewd" since we can make a deal with her to get Ian back into university.Does anyone think Ian's mom will ever be a fuckable/lewd scene character? That dream got me hopeful
But I would vastly prefer that Sophia Lundgren becomes a latecomer LI for several reasons than Grace becoming fuckable! Sophia is an amoral, eccentric genius nerd, who keeps tight control of her feelings and an abstract view of them, but that is something we can work with! Edwin can nerd it with the best!
Grace on the other hand is an exceptionally cold person, actually the coldest person in the cast so far and one of the main reasons Ian is as fucked up as he is.
- Sep 20, 2018
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A week and a half is more than enough in-game time, *if* the characters are willing to go there. The MC clearly would be if we make the right choices. Grace is harder to read, but given how detached she seems to be I could see it happening if she thought it would be done with absolute discretion (and gave her what she wanted).
The real question is what effect it would have on the larger story: we shouldn't spend time on it just to see the MC fuck a new girl, it should have some lasting effect on the MC and/or Killian. There are plenty of ways that could play out, so I do think there are decent odds it will happen.
Now there's no question it will take time to create Grace's scenes if they do happen, and plenty of us (myself included) would prefer to spend that time elsewhere. But as long as it has a bigger impact on the story, I'm perfectly willing to wait and then largely ignore Grace's content when I play. Some branches will appeal to us more than others, which is why it's good to have the choice.
Of course the flip side to that is the devs need to create more content for the same 'length' of game. That's why we should expect development time to get longer as we get closer to the climax of the story. Such is the nature of choices in a game.
She did promise that iirc but she is nowhere near the level of Van Doren who could also offer Edwin connections (assuming), and for wrapping up Ian story i meant her being there at all not just having sex with her, I think even if we dont have sex with her and get absolutely nothing we still have to see it resolved because it is a big part of Ians story/possible endings.Didn't she promised help with medical college connections? Or am i misremembering things?
Also i don't think sleeping with Ian's mom would help wrap up his story, on the contrary i feel that would serve to add even more drama on Edwin's relationship with him. That is why i think there is not enough time for it with all that is happening.
Like ename144 says there are several ways it could already go and that is just drawing it out as a flow chart not considering possible complications before
also is the choice to tell Ian about Graces plan locked behind bromance? if it is that just adds more fuel to the "it will for sure happen" (some resolution maybe not a scene) fire
- Sep 20, 2018
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No, you need Bromance to encourage Ian to self-reflect after the breakup, but there's no requirement to tell him about Grace's deal.
Haha, better stop playing now, we all know what's coming.
- Mar 13, 2021
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Yep. Patrons, Edwin, Ian, Hana, Kat, Uncle Chuck & the Carnations playing Cluedo and Monopoly in the final exhibition afterparty.
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Good news everyone! We got a new dev diary today!
As noted, TD and GIL have talked themselves into creating an impressive 148 statics, 17 animations and 4582 words in the thirteen days since their last reporting date - an average of ~80 statics, 9.2 animations and 2470 words per week. Overall, that brings their average to roughly 96 statics, 3.2 animations and 2200 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 26:
I said last time that GIL would need to hit an average rate of 7 animations per week to complete the estimated animation totals needed for Felicia's date by the start of March. Well, he turned on the jets and cranked it well past that mark, only to find the target number had jumped up at nearly the same rate. I think we've all been there at some point.
On the plus side, this a very much a first world problem. Spending time on high quality content that clearly has the devs excited is a very good thing for the game as a whole. I'm sure we'll have lots of cool stuff to explore in the new update. The downside, of course, is that we have to wait a little longer for our present to arrive. If the new animation target finally sticks and GIL's supply of stimulants holds out, they could polish off the content a week late and still have a solid shot at releasing the update in March. If their enthusiasm for the scene continues unabated and the target continues to climb, I think it's far more likely we'll see an April release. Not only will it take longer to start the polish/testing phase, but the rapid pace of development makes it more likely there will be glitches that need fixing.
In my (admittedly subjective) experience, it's far safer to bet on the target number climbing than holding steady, so I suspect we're a little further away from the finish line than we were hoping. But it is at least in sight, and I'd much rather the devs make the best product they can rather than cut corners to meet an arbitrary deadline. Felicia and Mina aren't my preferred cups of tea, but they're both fun characters with a lot of interactions that could be explored, so I'm happy to wait and maximize that exploration potential.
Realistically, with the final chapter still ahead this shouldn't be the last time the devs get excited about a big scene, so we might as well get used to waiting a bit extra. We can judge whether the wait was worth it once we've seen the results, but so far TD and GIL have given us no cause for concern on that front.
That said, please don't work GIL to death, TD. We still need him for Hana and Veronica's future content.
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As noted, TD and GIL have talked themselves into creating an impressive 148 statics, 17 animations and 4582 words in the thirteen days since their last reporting date - an average of ~80 statics, 9.2 animations and 2470 words per week. Overall, that brings their average to roughly 96 statics, 3.2 animations and 2200 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 26:
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On the plus side, this a very much a first world problem. Spending time on high quality content that clearly has the devs excited is a very good thing for the game as a whole. I'm sure we'll have lots of cool stuff to explore in the new update. The downside, of course, is that we have to wait a little longer for our present to arrive. If the new animation target finally sticks and GIL's supply of stimulants holds out, they could polish off the content a week late and still have a solid shot at releasing the update in March. If their enthusiasm for the scene continues unabated and the target continues to climb, I think it's far more likely we'll see an April release. Not only will it take longer to start the polish/testing phase, but the rapid pace of development makes it more likely there will be glitches that need fixing.
In my (admittedly subjective) experience, it's far safer to bet on the target number climbing than holding steady, so I suspect we're a little further away from the finish line than we were hoping. But it is at least in sight, and I'd much rather the devs make the best product they can rather than cut corners to meet an arbitrary deadline. Felicia and Mina aren't my preferred cups of tea, but they're both fun characters with a lot of interactions that could be explored, so I'm happy to wait and maximize that exploration potential.
Realistically, with the final chapter still ahead this shouldn't be the last time the devs get excited about a big scene, so we might as well get used to waiting a bit extra. We can judge whether the wait was worth it once we've seen the results, but so far TD and GIL have given us no cause for concern on that front.
That said, please don't work GIL to death, TD. We still need him for Hana and Veronica's future content.
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So April it is.Good news everyone! We got a new dev diary today!
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As noted, TD and GIL have talked themselves into creating an impressive 148 statics, 17 animations and 4582 words in the thirteen days since their last reporting date - an average of ~80 statics, 9.2 animations and 2470 words per week. Overall, that brings their average to roughly 96 statics, 3.2 animations and 2200 words per week since work on Chapter 4 Update 4 began. Here are the charts for Week 26:
I said last time that GIL would need to hit an average rate of 7 animations per week to complete the estimated animation totals needed for Felicia's date by the start of March. Well, he turned on the jets and cranked it well past that mark, only to find the target number had jumped up at nearly the same rate. I think we've all been there at some point.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
On the plus side, this a very much a first world problem. Spending time on high quality content that clearly has the devs excited is a very good thing for the game as a whole. I'm sure we'll have lots of cool stuff to explore in the new update. The downside, of course, is that we have to wait a little longer for our present to arrive. If the new animation target finally sticks and GIL's supply of stimulants holds out, they could polish off the content a week late and still have a solid shot at releasing the update in March. If their enthusiasm for the scene continues unabated and the target continues to climb, I think it's far more likely we'll see an April release. Not only will it take longer to start the polish/testing phase, but the rapid pace of development makes it more likely there will be glitches that need fixing.
In my (admittedly subjective) experience, it's far safer to bet on the target number climbing than holding steady, so I suspect we're a little further away from the finish line than we were hoping. But it is at least in sight, and I'd much rather the devs make the best product they can rather than cut corners to meet an arbitrary deadline. Felicia and Mina aren't my preferred cups of tea, but they're both fun characters with a lot of interactions that could be explored, so I'm happy to wait and maximize that exploration potential.
Realistically, with the final chapter still ahead this shouldn't be the last time the devs get excited about a big scene, so we might as well get used to waiting a bit extra. We can judge whether the wait was worth it once we've seen the results, but so far TD and GIL have given us no cause for concern on that front.
That said, please don't work GIL to death, TD. We still need him for Hana and Veronica's future content.
Bro, will ch4 up4 be the biggest update ever (words, renders and animations)?
The timing issue isn't about the characters, it's about the storytellers, and the pacing of their game. In the last update, they confessed to struggling with how much content they could allow in an in-game day, and it still be "realistic". Their main concern was making too much happen in a single day, so they are cognizant of pacing content across believable time periods, and therefore how long to wait before returning to plot threads (e.g., Rose's loan shark arc pauses for 5-ish days before progressing).A week and a half is more than enough in-game time, *if* the characters are willing to go there. The MC clearly would be if we make the right choices. Grace is harder to read, but given how detached she seems to be I could see it happening if she thought it would be done with absolute discretion (and gave her what she wanted).
The real question is what effect it would have on the larger story: we shouldn't spend time on it just to see the MC fuck a new girl, it should have some lasting effect on the MC and/or Killian. There are plenty of ways that could play out, so I do think there are decent odds it will happen.
Now there's no question it will take time to create Grace's scenes if they do happen, and plenty of us (myself included) would prefer to spend that time elsewhere. But as long as it has a bigger impact on the story, I'm perfectly willing to wait and then largely ignore Grace's content when I play. Some branches will appeal to us more than others, which is why it's good to have the choice.
Of course the flip side to that is the devs need to create more content for the same 'length' of game. That's why we should expect development time to get longer as we get closer to the climax of the story. Such is the nature of choices in a game.
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- Mar 13, 2021
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You got the point. A day has 24 hrs only, after all. And Edwin needs to sleep, eat, and, most of all, work for the club, too.
But I guess that some players must see our Edwin pal nailing just another totally side character who appeared in 2 scenes only at any cost in spite of the main story and the main characters. They just need it.
- Nov 20, 2022
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Amen brother
after the period of inspiration and extensive creative process, usually there could be a creative block/stupor, which will lead to more waiting time between the episodes and/or burnout of the creators.
anyway, just reiterating the qm - GIL, TD, don't work to exhaustion, the AVN world needs y'all
- Sep 20, 2018
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No, you can kind of see it in the historical charts, but Chapter 4 Update 4 is currently second to Chapter 3 Update 4 in statics and words, and third to Chapter 3 Update 2 (followed by Ch3 Up4) in animations. That's still noteworthy, though, since Ch3 Up4 was an Exhibition update, and Ch3 Up2 was when TD was sidetracked by the real world and GIL spent the time retroactively adding then-new animation technology to the earlier chapters. This is much bigger than normal for a mid-week update.So April it is.
Bro, will ch4 up4 be the biggest update ever (words, renders and animations)?
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I don't disagree with the concern, but as I said, I can see the characters being sufficiently predisposed to the idea that a week is more than enough time to get it done. Grace is still largely a blank slate, and most of what we know is that she's not a great person. We don't need to waste time with a long 'corruption' montage, we just need to reveal that she'd be down for such a thing if the circumstances were right, then instigate those circumstances.
My point is that time isn't a limiting factor here, *if* such a scene fits where the story is going. (If it doesn't, well, it wouldn't matter how long we have left.)
- Nov 11, 2022
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It might be heresy, but since a certain other game also is aiming for an update at the end of March and I don't have much time then anyway, I wouldn't be too miffed if the release might move into early April, to be honest.
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In the case we don't make it, I will direct all hate mail to your inbox.
EDIT: On the subject of Grace, don't take this as a confirmation one way or another, but the magic of making things up in your head is that you can twist things in any direction you want in service of both plot and "plot." Take for example the Alice scene in the last update, wholly unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, but it can be excused as supporting both past and future elements of Ian's development, as well as my boner. That last one being what life is really about.
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Bold, it's still reasonable not to update for so long, right? I want a whip to whip behind you, update me quicklyIn the case we don't make it, I will direct all hate mail to your inbox.
EDIT: On the subject of Grace, don't take this as a confirmation one way or another, but the magic of making things up in your head is that you can twist things in any direction you want in service of both plot and "plot." Take for example the Alice scene in the last update, wholly unnecessary in the grand scheme of things, but it can be excused as supporting both past and future elements of Ian's development, as well as my boner. That last one being what life is really about.
