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I don't think so. It was an introduction to Serena: it's her "field" - she's one of the girls posing as living statues in the room before the second exhibition.
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yep, not my kind of girl when she goes through stuff like that voluntarily. They don't have to be virgin but there is a limit
Maybe it's just a difference in taste then, because 10 seconds of that material is enough for me to understand the story, I don't need any more.
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Bro, what can I tell you?Again, I see Sophia very differently. I don't think she was testing the MC, at least not in the sense that she was comparing him against preexisting objective criteria. I think she was simply poking him and noting how he responded because it gave her something to do. Like Sherlock Holmes, I suspect her brain craves stimulation; Holmes would resort to cocaine when business was slow, Sophia prefers to dose people with an unlicensed aphrodisiac.
IMHO, her making out with the MC has nothing to do with her feelings for him, she just wanted to figure why he wasn't getting off and fix that so she could get back to watching the Carnations who were testing the drug she actually cares about. She theorized Kathleen's handjob wasn't doing it for him, so she took action herself. If the MC starts kissing Sophia, she plays along until she gets the result she was looking for, at which point she seemed to lose all interest in him. Likewise, I see no banter in her quoted exchange with the MC in his living room. He said something she didn't understand so she asked for clarification.
This isn't to say that there can't be a more meaningful relationship between the MC and Sophia in the future; we're clearly going to be spending more time with her. But as of right now, I see nothing in her behavior that can't be explained as well (or better) by Sophia being every bit the disinterested henchwoman she appears to be at first glance. Your mileage clearly varies.
Uncle Chuck clearly tells Kat that Abel & Sophia must stop using Edwin as their lab rat, BUT I GUESS THEY JUST WON'T LISTEN TO IT.
And this is what our MC Edwin thinks of the situation:
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I know... it's so painful I feel like tearing up
. Still gonna hit though (after she purifies herself in hot water for 3 days). 
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When I say that I ignored Sophia before, I'm not exaggerating, I don't even remember that scene, can anyone tell me what scene was that, or a dialogue from that scene, so I can look it up here?
I looked in the game's images folder, but couldn't find it.
My preference in women in AVN's is always the most different ones, the ones that stand out, and in PC, Sophia is one, that's why I'm interested in her, Hana is another.
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Moreover, the go game scene - and the chess game scenes - has a meaning because it is showing us who really Uncle Chuck is, and what Ian might become because of him.
Dude is still defending his draconian ass views about eating pussy.... in a game that forces you to be subservient to Kathleen, forces you to ride "bitch" with hana, and anything else that would be out of place 100 years ago? Surely it's the degradation of eating pussy not his Eurotophobia. (Only scared of their vagina nor scared of them giving him handjobs)
Chuck tells Kathleen to stop playing games with Edwins head because he is family (rose 2nd performance). Chuck couldn't tell Abel to do anything that's kind of their whole rivalry deal. Besides that has already been ignored because of the scene with Kathleen and Sophia that happens after.
I think if you (try to) resist the drug her and Kathleen give you Sophia acts a bit surprised/interested (more than usual) in Edwin being able to do that before comparing Edwin to Chuck but like you said that's not in the Edwin specifically just in anybodies ability to resist it.
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That´s dedication to your job!
Agreed!
Hey, our different views are great for discussions, always fun! While I agree that some questions were Sophia simply going with the flow of conversation, I have the strong feeling that part of the test was checking some predefined boxes/criteria. Sophia simply sating her mental stimulation desires could have gone with a myriad of topics and to top it off we have the "home invasion" just a bit later. A "disinterested henchwoman" would certainly not lead to such a chain of events!
The timing of the home invasion is simply too suspicious. Abel and Sophia could have met the MC/invaded his home with advice days before or days later, if it were just the two being worried about the fate of the nice guy recognising Abel on their first meeting.
It is stated ingame that Sophia really starts to get into it with the MC until he comes, where her scientist persona takes over again. But the thing is not how fast she goes back to watching the Carnations, but that Sophia participated in this makeout session at all. Were Sophia disinterested in the MC, she could have simply observed what happens and why he does not come and shows some remarkable staying power. Such observation of unusual ractions to stuff is part of testing new drugs.
There is earlier during the "bug presenation" and the quoted exchange has a bit of it in that Sophia was surprised where that quote comes from since Gandhi said something similar. The MC could have used the Gandhi quote instead.
That is not correct, sorry! Chuck tells KAT to stop using the MC in HER mind games, there is nothing about Abel and Sophia in that talk. I truly doubt Chuck knows much about Sophia´s inventions.
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Interesting discussion around Sophia... although... I don’t even understand
I'm just watching with my buddy
I'm just watching with my buddy 
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The table wasn't really about her testing the drug; rather, how far this woman was willing to go for the old man Edwin made nice with. If anyone remembers, but Abel later offers Sophia to Edwin, and obviously Chuck has his blessing for his roundabout foreplay with her. I see the way Abel freely offers his head researcher to associates as a form of self-exaltation. He's showing off, basically.
In hindsight, I think that gets lost on the initial viewing because the reader only sees her standing next to Abel like once and assumed she was a house girl (if they recognized her at all), but I still like the combination punch of showing a yet-to-be-revealed powerful woman's depraved side before she has even been properly introduced.
Everything starts from the premise of do I find this hot? From there, it's working backwards to see if it can be cogently framed to fit the scenario and characters. It's a balance between doing what your penis tells you to do and tempering it so it doesn't veer off track from your brain parts.
Now, is casually playing a board game on a prostitute's ass both a juvenile and porn-brained concept of "excess and power"? Hell yeah, it is. That's Pale Carnations in a nutshell.
In hindsight, I think that gets lost on the initial viewing because the reader only sees her standing next to Abel like once and assumed she was a house girl (if they recognized her at all), but I still like the combination punch of showing a yet-to-be-revealed powerful woman's depraved side before she has even been properly introduced.
I mean... you're not wrong. It's a porn game, bro.
Everything starts from the premise of do I find this hot? From there, it's working backwards to see if it can be cogently framed to fit the scenario and characters. It's a balance between doing what your penis tells you to do and tempering it so it doesn't veer off track from your brain parts.
Now, is casually playing a board game on a prostitute's ass both a juvenile and porn-brained concept of "excess and power"? Hell yeah, it is. That's Pale Carnations in a nutshell.
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Personally I'm interested in "her side" of those events. We knows she's super intelligent but appears to be on the border of a "house girl" for Abel. Why? We haven't seen anything yet that would have prevented her from going the "normal route" could it be for Love? Lust? Ludicrously evil 5d chess plan? Exploring her character is more interesting than two "doctors" exchanging medical terms during sex like Edwin is one to do
My saves are crashing - I'd like to compare the two versions and fix the issue.Why would you want to download an older version of the game?
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It could be due to Chuck, Sophia comments that he scares her, Kat says that she will be fine if she doesn't lose to him (at chess), but Sophia responds that she feels like he will win and doesn't seem happy about it at all.
Perhaps this “test”, and Abel’s conversation with the MC, is to find out if he can use the MC to “protect” Sophia from Chuck, he mentions that the MC can use his position in the club to his benefit.
Dev could be creating a branch for the future, MC could “protect” Sophia by keeping her, or letting Chuck have her, I guess with all girls we have two options, right?
There are no variables for when the MC ignores Sophia and Kat on the couch, but there are variables and interactions in other scenes if the MC chooses Sophia on the couch, like her laughing at his joke, or when she stops at the door, smiles at him and says goodbye using his name, which doesn't happen when the MC ignores her.
When the MC mentions "His options are limited...", the "camera" goes to Sophia, a hint or am I just overthinking it?
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I rather think Edwin needs to be protected from her and not that Edwin needs to protect her.
She is obviously a bit broken in the head and highly dangerous.
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You're right, I don't remember Abel offering us Sophia. When was this ? I know he offered her to Chuck, and he had her massage the MC at (tried) again during the home invasion, but I don't recall him putting her at the MC's disposal. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by offer?
Anyway, I never thought Sophia was a house girl; it was pretty obvious she was specifically serving Abel, even if the details weren't clear. I did suspect she might be the girl on the table in that scene, but I wasn't certain about that until you mentioned on the forums. I had not, however, thought about Abel putting her in that position as way to show off; I'd always assumed there was a more practical reason for it. It makes sense in retrospect, and it certainly fits the way he treats her around Chuck.
Using women, either as furniture or as status symbols, is a fetish that does absolutely nothing for me. Still, I don't have a problem with those scenes. They established the characters/setting as intended, and neither felt belabored. It is, as you say, what makes Pale Carnations and (the Club itself) tick.
Oh absolutely, and you're not wrong in recognizing this.
If I were to restate my prior thoughts in completely transparent and simple wording; it would be - The game currently has scenes that focus heavily on humiliation themes, humiliation does not make my dick hard, so I am going to use this space to lobby against it to try and influence direction towards less humilation scenes and more scenes that make my dick hard.
The monkey paw curls and the 4th week changes form the girls being used to the girls being humiliated......If I were to restate my prior thoughts in completely transparent and simple wording; it would be - The game currently has scenes that focus heavily on humiliation themes, humiliation does not make my dick hard, so I am going to use this space to lobby against it to try and influence direction towards less humilation scenes and more scenes that make my dick hard.