VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Randomguy3478]

Wrong on both counts. Yes, she left her small town. But when she's on the wooden horse, she points out she still talks to her mother but doesn't talk much about what she's doing. There's been no sugardaddy but someone she took advantage of (sexual isn't implied) and that's when she goes to the hideaway. What I picked up is that she got someone to help her through college as she joined a frat house but she adjusted to someone that helped her get through.

That exchange is a bit murky. But sugardaddy is kinda strong in this instance. Were they a college rich kid or older? We have no idea. Felicia only points out they helped her.

Okay, Elias can get a hot young one. He does this at his talent agency for example... The one where Felicia sometimes works and Mina is right there as a new up and comer. Betcha ten to one that Mina gets approached and Elias doesn't even know that Mina and Felicia are friends. And maybe he branches out a bit to somewhere else, but that's not a guarantee of success for him and we really have to see how that would go down. But I have increasing doubt at his ability to charm a girl, much less find one that's going to put up with him and how he prattles.

Read it again. You are right. Its not as clear as I remembered it. The part about "wielding her power as a beautiful girl when she realized it" sounds not good, as does her mentioning of an online "friend" that paid her rent during college - but I tend to agree with you. It sounds more like she used her looks to take advantage of naive men than straight up prostituting herself - and its probably how TD meant it.

But I like her even less now. A prostitute might be disgusting, but at least honest. Taking advantage of naive men that fell in love with her is rather evil. And the way she talks about her home town makes her sound like an entitled prick.

Reading the whole tantrum about the art school for a second time turns her imo into a total joke. Saving that school is a good deed, and the desire to be able to do something like that in the future is understandable - but it would have changed her life ZERO and its really nothing more than a "new project" of a wealthy woman with no meaning in life. To use this as a justification for what she is doing to her husband is a bad joke - and Edwin and anyone else who fell for her little story is imo at serious risk to get milked to the bone by women. Fap two times before signing any contracts, friends!

I think being Elias Ford III. is enough to make many women quite tolerant of his prattling - at least until the marriage without prenup is sealed. lol

 

[Ungawa]

Read it again. You are right. Its not as clear as I remembered it. The part about "wielding her power as a beautiful girl when she realized it" sounds not good, as does her mentioning of an online "friend" that paid her rent during college - but I tend to agree with you. It sounds more like she used her looks to take advantage of naive men than straight up prostituting herself - and its probably how TD meant it.

My emphasis - We can't make that connection. College, fraternity, is one thing. But I don't know if the dude is a sugar daddy, a young college kid who helped her out, August, or anyone else.

But I like her even less now. A prostitute might be disgusting, but at least honest. Taking advantage of naive men that fell in love with her is rather evil. And the way she talks about her home town makes her sound like an entitled prick.

I mean, you're putting yourself into that position. Elias isn't naive. He's unaware. And I highly doubt that in a marriage of convenience, love is an issue. Felicia wasn't happy about her home town and that's no defining thing. Hell, Veronica doesn't talk to her father so should that be a ding when Felicia at least talks to mom?

Reading the whole tantrum about the art school for a second time turns her imo into a total joke. Saving that school is a good deed, and the desire to be able to do something like that in the future is understandable - but it would have changed her life ZERO and its really nothing more than a "new project" of a wealthy woman with no meaning in life. To use this as a justification for what she is doing to her husband is a bad joke - and Edwin and anyone else who fell for her little story is imo at serious risk to get milked to the bone by women. Fap two times before signing any contracts, friends!

I think being Elias Ford III. is enough to make many women quite tolerant of his prattling - at least until the marriage without prenup is sealed. lol

... Kathleen is RIGHT THERE. And how many people she hurt while doing this is going back to the start of these rich games. I don't see the need for somehow protecting Elias in a marriage where love isn't an issue. These things occur but doesn't detract from the character at all. Yes, she realized something about herself. She can't rely on someone she married for something she wants. This isn't a "justification" or anything else. Felicia learned a lesson through her own painful experience. That's what the story is telling us. Read Charlotte Bronte sometimes and you'll have quite a few tales about rich folk and what they do. All it really is would be a different tale than what we're used to. Nothing more or less.

 

[Alfius]

I think you mean Veronica, not Victoria (MC's mom)

Ooops...True

 

[DarkLords00]

Great update as I pretty much always expect from this game. Although my initial playtrough was my Mina focus only save and I couldn't experience any of the new scenes I ran through the game again with a new playthrough to see all the new specific branch content.

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[TD1900]

However, to me, that's not the worst thing she has done or more accuarately that's not the worst thing she "can" do.
To tell the truth (I apologize to TD and other Felicia fans) she is my second most disliked character of the 6 girls just below Kathleen and the reason is: The threesome with Edwin and Killian.
I will explain, loyalty is a trait I value greatly in people ( my last name means loyal, yes you can consider me a hypocrite for my fav girl being Mina IDC ) and to me that scene was a total betrayal from Felicia to her friend and is the only time in the game when the writing is off. The woman is William to sleep with her closest friend boyfriend as she is sleeping in the next room and the only thing that can explain why she did that is her lívido. And, considering the following scenes of Mina and Felicia together I would legitamately consider Felicias action there OOC. The one time in this game when the porn part overtook the story and characters part I believe.

Yeah, that's one of two sore spots I have from the prologue, owed to being written back before our initial release when all the characters and their relationships were more nebulous. Part of me wants to believe it's somewhat in character since Ian is leaning on the whole "I invited you to the club" thing, and she does need a little prompting, but in truth that doesn't fully sit right with me either with how their relationship gets contextualized in later updates.

 

[MagicMan753]

Yeah, that's one of two sore spots I have from the prologue, owed to being written back before our initial release when all the characters and their relationships were more nebulous. Part of me wants to believe it's somewhat in character since Ian is leaning on the whole "I invited you to the club" thing, and she does need a little prompting, but in truth that doesn't fully sit right with me either with how their relationship gets contextualized in later updates.

What is the other sore spot of the prologue for you?, if you don't mind sharing. I am curious.

 

[DarkLords00]

Yeah, that's one of two sore spots I have from the prologue, owed to being written back before our initial release when all the characters and their relationships were more nebulous. Part of me wants to believe it's somewhat in character since Ian is leaning on the whole "I invited you to the club" thing, and she does need a little prompting, but in truth that doesn't fully sit right with me either with how their relationship gets contextualized in later updates.

To be fair when you really get down to it it's kinda just me being nitpicky (and I'm also kinda bias since of the potential girls I like Mina the most). You can also justify or "headcanon" that(if the threesome happens) Felicia later interactions with Mina are also fueled by guilt and regret. It is one of the caveats of not having every part of the story planned. But considering how much I've played and that is the only contradiction I found should tell you how seamless all your story is.

 

[TD1900]

What is the other sore spot of the prologue for you?, if you don't mind sharing. I am curious.

When Edwin blocks the drunk dude's punch with his forehead.
Waaaaay too cool for our protagonist.

 

[joryh]

tickle Jim's scrotum with a feather...

Cracked me up. It reminded me of an old Metro skit. He's an old Ukrainian comic from way back. My dad had one of his standup sets on LP. He's filthy, my mom wouldn't let us listen to it, so of course we did when she wasn't home. And one of his bits was about a pickup guy who always got the ladies and a never winner asked him his secret.

"Well, I just hit them with a greeting: Tickle your ass with a feather? And when they say: WHAT?! You say: Particularly Nasty weather, gonna rain, snow for sure."

So the looser goes up to a woman on a bus. HEY! Shove a feather up your ass!

Outraged lady: WHAT!?!

Ahh to hell with it, it's gonna snow anyway.

Finding his bits is hard as hell since he way predates internet. One of his best skits was him being in a Cesna with his friend when he has a heart attack.

 

[estrada777]

Updated Android port. Nothing too fancy but let me know if you have any issues.

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Updated my android port.

 

[winmace]

Just finished latest version and my reaction to the end:



My feelings about next release:

 

[Randomguy3478]

My emphasis - We can't make that connection. College, fraternity, is one thing. But I don't know if the dude is a sugar daddy, a young college kid who helped her out, August, or anyone else.

I mean, you're putting yourself into that position. Elias isn't naive. He's unaware. And I highly doubt that in a marriage of convenience, love is an issue. Felicia wasn't happy about her home town and that's no defining thing. Hell, Veronica doesn't talk to her father so should that be a ding when Felicia at least talks to mom?

Seem like you misunderstood me there. I wrote that I tend to believe that fel did not prostitute herself, but took advantage of naive men in her small town when she realized her female charms, and that the same happened with her "online" friend who paid her college rent. "Milk the simps and friendzone them" would be my guess, but maybe she also slept with them - who knows. Did not mean that elias is one of those naive men.

... Kathleen is RIGHT THERE. And how many people she hurt while doing this is going back to the start of these rich games. I don't see the need for somehow protecting Elias in a marriage where love isn't an issue. These things occur but doesn't detract from the character at all. Yes, she realized something about herself. She can't rely on someone she married for something she wants. This isn't a "justification" or anything else. Felicia learned a lesson through her own painful experience. That's what the story is telling us. Read Charlotte Bronte sometimes and you'll have quite a few tales about rich folk and what they do. All it really is would be a different tale than what we're used to. Nothing more or less.

Like a wrote in another post: The problem is not so much felicias cheating in a loveless marriage or her want for own money. Its this:

The marriage had 2 reasons:

- Respect and reputation for elias

- Wealthy life for felicia


Elias provides felicia the wealthy life, but he denied her one important wish.

Felicia absolutely obliterates elias reputation where it matters most for him - his peers.


So felicia not only destroys the one thing she provided in this marriage, but her actions bring elias' reputation lower than before he married her. It's the equivalent of elias first denying her wish, then divorcing her without giving her anything - and then robbing her of whatever money she had before meeting him.

Thats evil even in a marriage like theirs.



If she just had private sex I wouldn't care and consider it part of their marriage deal (if its true).

 

[Mark17]

I'm once again asking for the Android version of the Game.

 

[Bill Temple]

I'm once again asking for the Android version of the Game.

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[Ungawa]

Seem like you misunderstood me there. I wrote that I tend to believe that fel did not prostitute herself, but took advantage of naive men in her small town when she realized her female charms, and that the same happened with her "online" friend who paid her college rent. "Milk the simps and friendzone them" would be my guess, but maybe she also slept with them - who knows. Did not mean that elias is one of those naive men.

I cannot stress this enough... The story is that Felicia used her sexy looks and intellect to get somewhere. Look, let's just break this down for some of the other girls for comparison's sake:

Rosalind stayed in a bad marriage, even got into fights with her husband as he saddled her with debt.

Veronica made a choice to put everything into her gym and sacrificed her marriage for it.

I'm literally taking Felicia at her word here but I don't know where it's a bunch of naive men here. We don't know the people of her podunk town, we just know her feelings on that place. It's okay for her mom but not for her. That doesn't make the people there naive. How SHE views it, they wanted her sexually and she was smart enough to realize what they were doing and move away from that as she got older. THAT'S what she's saying.

Same thing with the college friend. I don't know if it's the older college friend, a fraternity brother, August, her mom playing tricks, the dog down the street or anything else. I can't make the connection that that's a sugardaddy or anything else. Maybe it's a college BF she jerked around. I simply don't have enough information because Felicia didn't offer that part. I simply can't put in something that the story does not offer. That's all I'm saying here. With no information about what's going on with that, I can't use that to suggest what's her history. That's entirely speculation and doesn't serve to understand her character at all.

Like a wrote in another post: The problem is not so much felicias cheating in a loveless marriage or her want for own money. Its this:

Elias provides felicia the wealthy life, but he denied her one important wish.

Felicia absolutely obliterates elias reputation where it matters most for him - his peers.

I'm using this as kind of the basis for that entire quote. I'm kind of narrowing this down and the part above is about naïve men. This one's more or less about their marriage. It is of convenience. The point here is that in high society, you have status and reputation through the success of the business. What I dealt with before is that Felicia is much more capable than a title really allows.

The marriage takes two. And Elias as a character is found lacking in a lot of ways. Through the interview, you have to pay attention to his actions. Not his words, his actions. For all intents, he cares more about how he's perceived by getting out of the rail business, starting a travel agency, pretending he cares about growing the talent (He basically looks the other way until he HAS to take notice and lets them suffer or succeed with little on how to really grow or expand), and focused on projects for rep instead of projects of substance.

They're not a team. They're not on the same page. That's well and truly clear. There could probably be something for both of them if Elias listened and learned and took Felicia's advice. He doesn't. He has his own agenda and interests. It just shows that they both have something going on that's going to have different conclusions. It's like in a K-drama, the king and queen, have different ways to influence events and they married out of convenience. The fallout will be felt far removed from their choices. So we're going to see how this is handled for both Elias and Felicia as their choices catch up to them.

I just don't see that as evil, just choices made on both their parts which will see a conclusion.

 

[Randomguy3478]

Maybe it's a college BF she jerked around.

That's what I mean with "taking advantage of naive men." Edwin called him a "sucker" and she replied that she thinks of him more fond of that, because he is the reason she's now a rich man's wife. That sounds to me like she used the college guy, not like she was in love or anything.

How SHE views it, they wanted her sexually and she was smart enough to realize what they were doing and move away from that as she got older. THAT'S what she's saying.

Disagree here. I think what she says means that she realized that she can use her female charms to get from men what she wants. The beginning of her becoming a gold-digger.

I'm using this as kind of the basis for that entire quote. I'm kind of narrowing this down and the part above is about naïve men. This one's more or less about their marriage. It is of convenience. The point here is that in high society, you have status and reputation through the success of the business. What I dealt with before is that Felicia is much more capable than a title really allows.

The marriage takes two. And Elias as a character is found lacking in a lot of ways. Through the interview, you have to pay attention to his actions. Not his words, his actions. For all intents, he cares more about how he's perceived by getting out of the rail business, starting a travel agency, pretending he cares about growing the talent (He basically looks the other way until he HAS to take notice and lets them suffer or succeed with little on how to really grow or expand), and focused on projects for rep instead of projects of substance.

They're not a team. They're not on the same page. That's well and truly clear. There could probably be something for both of them if Elias listened and learned and took Felicia's advice. He doesn't. He has his own agenda and interests. It just shows that they both have something going on that's going to have different conclusions. It's like in a K-drama, the king and queen, have different ways to influence events and they married out of convenience. The fallout will be felt far removed from their choices. So we're going to see how this is handled for both Elias and Felicia as their choices catch up to them.

I just don't see that as evil, just choices made on both their parts which will see a conclusion.

The difference is imo that felicia enjoys that her deeds hurt elias strongly (she says "any incidental damage to elias is a big, big, BIG bonus" in regards to her involvement with the club) and elias just didn't want to buy the school (felicia does not say that he did it to hurt her).

Also the scope of damage: Deny a wish <---> Destroy actively whats important to the person

Plus, everything she says is HER version of the story. HER truth. Who knows how elias sees everything, whats his version of these happenings.

(If it was not fiction.)


Anyway, thanks for the pleasant discussion.

 

[Hakkai]

Updated my android port.

Finaallyy, thank you

 

[Ungawa]

This'll be my final reply on this topic as I move on.

That's what I mean with "taking advantage of naive men." Edwin called him a "sucker" and she replied that she thinks of him more fond of that, because he is the reason she's now a rich man's wife. That sounds to me like she used the college guy, not like she was in love or anything.

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I think what she says means that she realized that she can use her female charms to get from men what she wants. The beginning of her becoming a gold-digger.

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The difference is imo that felicia enjoys that her deeds hurt elias strongly (she says "any incidental damage to elias is a big, big, BIG bonus" in regards to her involvement with the club) and elias just didn't want to buy the school (felicia does not say that he did it to hurt her).

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我喜欢这个更新

 

[Turret]

Don't worry, you express yourself quite well. I just don't agree with your analysis.

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Realistically, we'll have to wait until we have some solid info on Dr. Van Doren's motives to really sort this out.

That´s OK, as I said, our different viewpoints lead to a nice, lively discussion, unlike the Felicia bashing currently running in the thread. And I agree we need some more info on van Doren and Sophia Lundgren to truly find out their motives, but we have enough to do some reasonable guesses.

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Always nice to discuss with you.

Greetings again TD1900 !

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