VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch. 4 Up 4 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Ummmh]

Question:



Only walkthrough I was able to find ends at week 3, not 4, so I got a possible problem and I wanted to see if anyone knows about it. I'm also not noticing anything about conflicts arising, tho I might not be reading it right my eyes get a little crossed trying to read these things.



As Hana requires exclusivity outside the club if you want to GF her, even though I really like Mina (and she just went through a breakup AND I bent over backwards to make that all happen), I would, with regret, call off the casual thing with Mina in order to go serious with Hana, because: HANA. I mean, ffs, YEAH, HANA (plus, Hana's f'd up emotional situation w/her mom really calls to me to support her, and that "who's yer daddy" date with her was the BEST).

That said, I already pre-agreed to the Felicia Sugar Mama tryout date which hasn't happened yet (including $5,000 ahead of time sent to Rosalind to help her out). in real life, unless you want to be a scumbag and lie about it, you tell the new serious partner "hey I do have one date that's already arranged including a pretty expensive financial investment in it but after that I'm clean slate" and unless the new partner is really petty, they generally tend to agree: because it was something already in motion, almost everyone understands that.

Unfortunately the game doesn't seem to consider this even if you've already set that up (wasn't mentioned) so does it get held against you later as infidelity if you date Felicia that one time (and probably go through with fully boning her, because obviously Felicia's going to want you to go there, since she's flatly paying you for your sex, along with your emotional investment in her).

Quick aside: Now, I'm definitely still going to do at least one playthrough where he just stays f*** buddies with Hana because Mina is still nice, and clearly intended to rebound with the MC, so would be fragile (and we don't need to make her more fragile when Felicia's husband is apparently the parasite in charge of Mina's placement agency), and honestly Felicia is just heartbreakingly addictive and I can see the MC thinking that they can use the Sugar Mama route to maybe still get kids that way someday if she wins club membership and gets her power that way (and so maybe finally dumps Elias): it's a way of having her feel she has power over the situation so she'd be more likely to keep the MC with her not have her mentally write him off in an internal panic over not still chasing for the "10 million in his back pocket" gold ring.

That alt route aside though, does going through with the Felicia date screw up the Hana girlfriend route?

Thanks for any help.

 

[MoBy28]

Question:



Only walkthrough I was able to find ends at week 3, not 4, so I got a possible problem and I wanted to see if anyone knows about it. I'm also not noticing anything about conflicts arising, tho I might not be reading it right my eyes get a little crossed trying to read these things.



As Hana requires exclusivity outside the club if you want to GF her, even though I really like Mina (and she just went through a breakup AND I bent over backwards to make that all happen), I would, with regret, call off the casual thing with Mina in order to go serious with Hana, because: HANA. I mean, ffs, YEAH, HANA (plus, Hana's f'd up emotional situation w/her mom really calls to me to support her, and that "who's yer daddy" date with her was the BEST).

That said, I already pre-agreed to the Felicia Sugar Mama tryout date which hasn't happened yet (including $5,000 ahead of time sent to Rosalind to help her out). in real life, unless you want to be a scumbag and lie about it, you tell the new serious partner "hey I do have one date that's already arranged including a pretty expensive financial investment in it but after that I'm clean slate" and unless the new partner is really petty, they generally tend to agree: because it was something already in motion, almost everyone understands that.

Unfortunately the game doesn't seem to consider this even if you've already set that up (wasn't mentioned) so does it get held against you later as infidelity if you date Felicia that one time (and probably go through with fully boning her, because obviously Felicia's going to want you to go there, since she's flatly paying you for your sex, along with your emotional investment in her).

Quick aside: Now, I'm definitely still going to do at least one playthrough where he just stays f*** buddies with Hana because Mina is still nice, and clearly intended to rebound with the MC, so would be fragile (and we don't need to make her more fragile when Felicia's husband is apparently the parasite in charge of Mina's placement agency), and honestly Felicia is just heartbreakingly addictive and I can see the MC thinking that they can use the Sugar Mama route to maybe still get kids that way someday if she wins club membership and gets her power that way (and so maybe finally dumps Elias): it's a way of having her feel she has power over the situation so she'd be more likely to keep the MC with her not have her mentally write him off in an internal panic over not still chasing for the "10 million in his back pocket" gold ring.

That alt route aside though, does going through with the Felicia date screw up the Hana girlfriend route?

Thanks for any help.

As has been stated multiple times now we don't know the effects of the Hana GF route yet. You still have a bit of content to get through will will shed some light on a few of your concerns/questions when you finish the Felicia date. As of now the Gf route is an unknown other than maybe some exclusive renders/scenes for that route. That choice is a good spot for a save point but I think most went FWB route at least until we find out more about the GF route.

 

[Ummmh]

As has been stated multiple times now we don't know the effects of the Hana GF route yet. You still have a bit of content to get through will will shed some light on a few of your concerns/questions when you finish the Felicia date. As of now the Gf route is an unknown other than maybe some exclusive renders/scenes for that route. That choice is a good spot for a save point but I think most went FWB route at least until we find out more about the GF route.

TY!
I've tried searches but this site's search engine is really freaky and will send you all over the place except the very place you want to look.

TY again!

 

[ename144]

TY!
I've tried searches but this site's search engine is really freaky and will send you all over the place except the very place you want to look.

TY again!

For reasons beyond the ken of mortal man, the default search is ordered by neither date nor relevance. Fortunately it is possible to change that default if you know to go digging around in the settings:


As far as the Hana GF route, as most people have said, we don't know anything yet for sure, but it seems very unwise to promise her fidelity if you aren't going to live up to that promise. Better to pick the fuck buddies route in that case: you might miss a scene or two, but I very much doubt you'll be starved for Hana content even so.

I will note, however, that the GF route has already had a minor effect on the game: it gives the MC a way to turn down opportunities with the other LIs if you've already started on their path. Granted, that's an ability that mostly serves to make staying faithful to Hana *possible* and most people would rather avoid using it, but it is technically a unique option you lose by staying casual - or just focusing on a different LI. Sigh.

 

[Ummmh]

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As far as the Hana GF route, as most people have said, we don't know anything yet for sure, but it seems very unwise to promise her fidelity if you aren't going to live up to that promise. Better to pick the fuck buddies route in that case: you might miss a scene or two, but I very much doubt you'll be starved for Hana content even so.

I will note, however, that the GF route has already had a minor effect on the game: it gives the MC a way to turn down opportunities with the other LIs if you've already started on their path. Granted, that's an ability that mostly serves to make staying faithful to Hana *possible* and most people would rather avoid using it, but it is technically a unique option you lose by staying casual - or just focusing on a different LI. Sigh.

Yeah, the issue of fidelity is why I brought up that in a real life circumstance if you're promising someone monogamy but you have an already promised upcoming date with someone, it is pretty common to just let the new partner know you already committed to go on those dates (especially if they happen to have had financial investments in them so they can't be easily backed out of). Admittedly, the "financial investment" with Felicia is that **he's whoring out to her** and already gave the money to Rosalind. LOL!

My main line of thinking about the momentum of that night is: if he's already so moved by Hana's agonizing plight w/her mom that he's promising to always be there for her to help her cope, and he and Hana quite possibly do have **the most in common with each other** in several areas, out of all the other romances, *AND* he was coming off having an all-time *GREAT* date with her, he might just feel: "Dammit! Let's just go for broke!"

That said, he's pretty good at being aloofly logical, and she *IS* going to have to watch him fvck and humiliate other girls right in front of her, so it might be reasonable that they might recognize it would be pretty tough for them to maintain emotional balance. Ofc, that is certainly why she would be so insistent upon fidelity outside the club.

That said, the Fvckbuddy option could make sense if he was factoring that Hana *specifically* said **she'd been desperately needing to get utterly destroyed by him since "last night"**, which was the exhibition night. So she seemingly got uncontrollably hot *specifically* thinking abt him completely wrecking Felicia and Rose into senseless puddles, and especially in how he outright railed Rose center stage, dick dangled out on display before Hana, and then plowed into Rose again and again, right in front of Hana. So he might subconsciously be factoring Hana's actually subconsciously totally okay with it and she might even get off on fantasizing being in the other girls' places with him.

I just feel if he's already investing in her and making all these emotional support moves towards her he might go to girlfriend option because he was just getting so into her (and not just literally). Besides... Now he's "her daddy", so that's gotta count for something, right?

 

[pipiolo68]

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As far as the Hana GF route, as most people have said, we don't know anything yet for sure, but it seems very unwise to promise her fidelity if you aren't going to live up to that promise. Better to pick the fuck buddies route in that case: you might miss a scene or two, but I very much doubt you'll be starved for Hana content even so.

I will note, however, that the GF route has already had a minor effect on the game: it gives the MC a way to turn down opportunities with the other LIs if you've already started on their path. Granted, that's an ability that mostly serves to make staying faithful to Hana *possible* and most people would rather avoid using it, but it is technically a unique option you lose by staying casual - or just focusing on a different LI. Sigh.

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[PervyParadox]

Yeah, the issue of fidelity is why I brought up that in a real life circumstance if you're promising someone monogamy but you have an already promised upcoming date with someone, it is pretty common to just let the new partner know you already committed to go on those dates (especially if they happen to have had financial investments in them so they can't be easily backed out of). Admittedly, the "financial investment" with Felicia is that **he's whoring out to her** and already gave the money to Rosalind. LOL!

My main line of thinking about the momentum of that night is: if he's already so moved by Hana's agonizing plight w/her mom that he's promising to always be there for her to help her cope, and he and Hana quite possibly do have **the most in common with each other** in several areas, out of all the other romances, *AND* he was coming off having an all-time *GREAT* date with her, he might just feel: "Dammit! Let's just go for broke!"

That said, he's pretty good at being aloofly logical, and she *IS* going to have to watch him fvck and humiliate other girls right in front of her, so it might be reasonable that they might recognize it would be pretty tough for them to maintain emotional balance. Ofc, that is certainly why she would be so insistent upon fidelity outside the club.

That said, the Fvckbuddy option could make sense if he was factoring that Hana *specifically* said **she'd been desperately needing to get utterly destroyed by him since "last night"**, which was the exhibition night. So she seemingly got uncontrollably hot *specifically* thinking abt him completely wrecking Felicia and Rose into senseless puddles, and especially in how he outright railed Rose center stage, dick dangled out on display before Hana, and then plowed into Rose again and again, right in front of Hana. So he might subconsciously be factoring Hana's actually subconsciously totally okay with it and she might even get off on fantasizing being in the other girls' places with him.

I just feel if he's already investing in her and making all these emotional support moves towards her he might go to girlfriend option because he was just getting so into her (and not just literally). Besides... Now he's "her daddy", so that's gotta count for something, right?

I feel like not being able to talk about Mina (and the carnations) to Hana at that point is a big stain in an overall pretty consistant story with very consistant characters. That was so frustrating to read this "my two only choices are to either stop things with Mina or lie to Hana". Uh, hello Mutt & Jeff, I'd like to actually tell Hana about it if possible. Preferably now instead of waiting for her to discover it 10 episodes from now and be all dramatic about it. Why not have a more extended conversation where we could have asked Hana if doing things with the Carnation even "outside" the club was okay ? Maybe try to make her accept at least the Carnations and maybe say something about Mina (even without talking about the 'promise' per se). Make us promise "no other girls" or even maybe to stop things with the carnations after the last exhibitions or something I don't know. Added conditions, make things clear between Hana and MC. And if Hana can't accept it, then she choses on her own to stay fuckbuddies anyway.

It would even be interesting that Hana accepts it, but still has mixed feelings about it when spending time with Mina or with the carnations for example. Anything but that fake ass illusion of having only these two choices of lying or staying loyal to the T.

 

[TD1900]

I feel like not being able to talk about Mina (and the carnations) to Hana at that point is a big stain in an overall pretty consistant story with very consistant characters. That was so frustrating to read this "my two only choices are to either stop things with Mina or lie to Hana". Uh, hello Mutt & Jeff, I'd like to actually tell Hana about it if possible. Preferably now instead of waiting for her to discover it 10 episodes from now and be all dramatic about it. Why not have a more extended conversation where we could have asked Hana if doing things with the Carnation even "outside" the club was okay ? Maybe try to make her accept at least the Carnations and maybe say something about Mina (even without talking about the 'promise' per se). Make us promise "no other girls" or even maybe to stop things with the carnations after the last exhibitions or something I don't know. Added conditions, make things clear between Hana and MC. And if Hana can't accept it, then she choses on her own to stay fuckbuddies anyway.

The choice to keep it casual is the choice you're looking for.

Sure, Edwin telling Hana they should give monogamy a college try could come with a "but", but think about how that sounds. The whole point of that choice is commitment. Edwin trying to add hall pass clauses to his new relationship not only hinders the dramatic impetus of the moment, but has a dead end conclusion when you weigh what is being said within the scene about her expectations.

There isn't a dramatic contrivance you're being railroaded into. What you get is what's on the tin; Edwin promises commitment and can optionally follow through with it, and he may get away with some stuff and not others, or he goes the fuck buddies path and enjoys his cake.

If you like both Hana and Mina, all I will say is players won't be disappointed in the long run. The ground work started with Edwin's birthday party, and most recently, continued with the last update -- and just because you're committed to Hana, and are faithful to her, won't necessarily exclude scenes with that pairing in the future.

 

[Ragnar]

The choice to keep it casual is the choice you're looking for.

Sure, Edwin telling Hana they should give monogamy a college try could come with a "but", but think about how that sounds. The whole point of that choice is commitment. Edwin trying to add hall pass clauses to his new relationship not only hinders the dramatic impetus of the moment, but has a dead end conclusion when you weigh what is being said within the scene about her expectations.

There isn't a dramatic contrivance you're being railroaded into. What you get is what's on the tin; Edwin promises commitment and can optionally follow through with it, and he may get away with some stuff and not others, or he goes the fuck buddies path and enjoys his cake.

If you like both Hana and Mina, all I will say is players won't be disappointed in the long run. The ground work started with Edwin's birthday party, and most recently, continued with the last update -- and just because you're committed to Hana, and are faithful to her, won't necessarily exclude scenes with that pairing in the future.

Yeah, but you can't commit to both Hanna and Mina at the same time, which is fine and realistic but that's what harem lovers want.

 

[ename144]

I feel like not being able to talk about Mina (and the carnations) to Hana at that point is a big stain in an overall pretty consistant story with very consistant characters. That was so frustrating to read this "my two only choices are to either stop things with Mina or lie to Hana". Uh, hello Mutt & Jeff, I'd like to actually tell Hana about it if possible. Preferably now instead of waiting for her to discover it 10 episodes from now and be all dramatic about it. Why not have a more extended conversation where we could have asked Hana if doing things with the Carnation even "outside" the club was okay ? Maybe try to make her accept at least the Carnations and maybe say something about Mina (even without talking about the 'promise' per se). Make us promise "no other girls" or even maybe to stop things with the carnations after the last exhibitions or something I don't know. Added conditions, make things clear between Hana and MC. And if Hana can't accept it, then she choses on her own to stay fuckbuddies anyway.

It would even be interesting that Hana accepts it, but still has mixed feelings about it when spending time with Mina or with the carnations for example. Anything but that fake ass illusion of having only these two choices of lying or staying loyal to the T.

TD already addressed this but I think it's worth berating the point because you already *had* that conversation with Hana! She specifically said doing things with girls outside the Club was NOT okay if you want to be her formal boyfriend. That's why there are only two choices. It's not a false dichotomy because Hana ruled out the option for a formal, open relationship.

If the MC wants to bang girls on the side, that's precisely what the fuck buddies path is for. Hana is fine with that, so what's the issue? If you're worried about missing content, well, that's the nature of the game. Turning down other girls will obviously miss lots of content, so it's only fair that choice gets something in return. If you really want to see everything, just play through multiple times (or wait for a mod).

Plus, as TD said, being faithful doesn't necessarily mean you'll miss ALL the content with other girls down the line.

 

[Albion242]

Hey, am I missing something, I get kicked out in week 3. But the version clearly states Ch4Up4, unless Ch4!=week4?

 

[Takkatakka]

Hey, am I missing something, I get kicked out in week 3. But the version clearly states Ch4Up4, unless Ch4!=week4?

Wednesday the 06/17 is the last day of content so far.

 

[PervyParadox]

The choice to keep it casual is the choice you're looking for.

Sure, Edwin telling Hana they should give monogamy a college try could come with a "but", but think about how that sounds. The whole point of that choice is commitment. Edwin trying to add hall pass clauses to his new relationship not only hinders the dramatic impetus of the moment, but has a dead end conclusion when you weigh what is being said within the scene about her expectations.

There isn't a dramatic contrivance you're being railroaded into. What you get is what's on the tin; Edwin promises commitment and can optionally follow through with it, and he may get away with some stuff and not others, or he goes the fuck buddies path and enjoys his cake.

If you like both Hana and Mina, all I will say is players won't be disappointed in the long run. The ground work started with Edwin's birthday party, and most recently, continued with the last update -- and just because you're committed to Hana, and are faithful to her, won't necessarily exclude scenes with that pairing in the future.

Allright, I understand that I may ask for too much. I guess my issue lies more into the whole conundrum with Mina. After all, Edwin also "commited" to Mina if we choose to help her with her list. I found it frustrating to not take that commitment into account. Commitment and monogamy aren't necessarely the same thing, after all. You can commit to more than one thing, with more than one person. The lack of choice to actually talk to Hana about our commitment to Mina, even if this lead to Hana deciding by herself to stay fuckbuddies based on that knowledge, is what frustrates me a little. It just feels weird to me that there's no choice to actually be honest with Hana, at least about Mina, in that moment which seems like the perfect opportunity to bring this up. OR at least the day after, to not have the moment ruined. I guess I wanted to try to weasel my way in the GF path while still keeping it up with Mina without having to lie to any of them. Could have smacked me on the butt for being to greedy by making Hana decides that it's not possible anyway.

But maybe having Hana know about it this soon (or at all) wasn't good for the story, idk.

The fact that the GF path doesn't exclude scene with the pairing is comforting in its own way, even though there's no way I'd choose that path now after this whole conundrum ruined the scene with Mina that came after for me (but only the first time, I felt peachy replaying it after choosing the other path, thank goodness this path exists). The whole story is nerve wracking in a good way, the fact that I still love it despite my crippling savior complex about fictionnal characters is really saying. The whole moral conversation is particularly enjoyable. Which is why not having the choice to be honest about Mina at that particular moment was weirdly frustrating to me at that point.

Yeah, but you can't commit to both Hanna and Mina at the same time, which is fine and realistic but that's what harem lovers want.

There's more things less realistic than commiting to both girls, especially when you had them both on the floor completely drenched from their own girl cum. Hell even the fact that all the fuckable girls have big tits in this world is less realistic. Also, like I said, commitment isn't monogamy. These are two different concepts. Granted the more you commit to, the less energy and time you have for each commitment. Should Edwin stop committing to his job in order to date Hana or have Mina panting on her bed ? I don't think so. Hana set her conditions, sure. Not being able to tell her about Mina at that point is what tickled me, I guess.

TD already addressed this but I think it's worth berating the point because you already *had* that conversation with Hana! She specifically said doing things with girls outside the Club was NOT okay if you want to be her formal boyfriend. That's why there are only two choices. It's not a false dichotomy because Hana ruled out the option for a formal, open relationship.

If the MC wants to bang girls on the side, that's precisely what the fuck buddies path is for. Hana is fine with that, so what's the issue? If you're worried about missing content, well, that's the nature of the game. Turning down other girls will obviously miss lots of content, so it's only fair that choice gets something in return. If you really want to see everything, just play through multiple times (or wait for a mod).

Plus, as TD said, being faithful doesn't necessarily mean you'll miss ALL the content with other girls down the line.

Okay, I admit I might be too greedy. Maybe I want too much. Maybe I want things too fast. The thing that bothered me the most is that we can't commit to both Hana and Mina right now, starting this particular choice. But like I said maybe it is too soon for that, or maybe it will ultimately be impossible and we'll have to choose to commit to only one of them (I sure hope not). I want to be able to commit to both because I'm just a fucking romantic, which I understand is really dangerous when you play this game. I don't want to see everything (already gave up on that) and I don't like having 50 different saves (kinda ruins my appreciation of the story). The fuckbuddy path is great too, and it doesn't change much for now, so really this is just me ranting.

The fact we don't miss all the content anyway is great, sure.

 

[Ottoeight]

Hey, am I missing something, I get kicked out in week 3. But the version clearly states Ch4Up4, unless Ch4!=week4?

Chapter 1 is the prologue. This last update ends on week 3, wednesday night.

Check my "miniguide" in the OP (the timeline guide).

 

[Maviarab]

Yeah, but you can't commit to both Hanna and Mina at the same time, which is fine and realistic but that's what harem lovers want.

Well people don't always get what they want do they? With no tag (not like we're only on the second release), anyone playing it for that is quite frankly, an idiot.

 

[Ragnar]

Well people don't always get what they want do they? With no tag (not like we're only on the second release), anyone playing it for that is quite frankly, an idiot.

I'm not asking for a Mina-Hanna throuple just saying how it is. Some people won't stop beating that dead horse until the end of the game. Same goes for the ones who want to fuck Edwin's mom.

 

[Takkatakka]

If you like both Hana and Mina, all I will say is players won't be disappointed in the long run. The ground work started with Edwin's birthday party, and most recently, continued with the last update -- and just because you're committed to Hana, and are faithful to her, won't necessarily exclude scenes with that pairing in the future.

I mean...there was always hope...

 

[PervyParadox]

I'm not asking for a Mina-Hanna throuple just saying how it is. Some people won't stop beating that dead horse until the end of the game. Same goes for the ones who want to fuck Edwin's mom.

The mom thing is a dead horse for sure, but I don't understand why a trouple with Mina and Hana would be. As far as we know, we can still get something with both, and literally the answers to my little rant include the promise of scenes with both of them. Therefore, the hope is still there.

If you guys are in it to ruin other people's hopes, at least stick to things that has next to zero chance to happen. The mom thing is a good example. Fucking Ian in the ass is another good one.

 

[Ozymandias037]

The mom thing is a dead horse for sure, but I don't understand why a trouple with Mina and Hana would be. As far as we know, we can still get something with both, and literally the answers to my little rant include the promise of scenes with both of them. Therefore, the hope is still there.

If you guys are in it to ruin other people's hopes, at least stick to things that has next to zero chance to happen. The mom thing is a good example. Fucking Ian in the ass is another good one.

So for me there's two things here.

1. I understand that you are merely expressing your frustration that the plot of the game, the choices that Hana and Edwin make, don't allow you to do what you personally would like. That's fine! You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and there's nothing wrong with you expressing it.

2. That doesn't change the fact that the game was written the way it was written. Hana was very clear about her expectations: No other girls outside the club. Edwin *could* argue about that, sure, but it wouldn't go the way he wants. Nothing about Hana's character suggests that she is going to budge on that requirement. Especially when she's willing to bump uglies regardless and the requirement is for a formal recognition of the relationship, i.e. boyfriend and girlfriend. Hana is headstrong, stubborn, and has very strong ideas of right and wrong. She's not going to compromise that just because Edwin wants to have two girlfriends. She doesn't. And for her to just change that to suit Edwin's whims would be a pretty big swing away from her core character. That's bad writing. This dilemma is just like any dilemma encountered in the real world: You are given the constraints for your choices, presented with options, and you make a choice. That's all there is to it. Sure, there's plenty of times in the real world (or in games, of course) that we'd all love to have other choices than the ones we do. But sometimes we're just SOL. People have dealbreakers for friendship, relationships, etc. all the time. That's just the way it is. Going back to #1, it's pretty clear you don't like that choice on the part of the devs. Again, that's fine! You're allowed to have that frustration and your feelings are valid! But making the change you want to see would require changing Hana's character in a pretty big way, and it would make the writing worse, and that would make the game worse. And that's *my* opinion, with which you're absolutely free to disagree at whatever length you like.

 

[PervyParadox]

So for me there's two things here.

1. I understand that you are merely expressing your frustration that the plot of the game, the choices that Hana and Edwin make, don't allow you to do what you personally would like. That's fine! You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and there's nothing wrong with you expressing it.

2. That doesn't change the fact that the game was written the way it was written. Hana was very clear about her expectations: No other girls outside the club. Edwin *could* argue about that, sure, but it wouldn't go the way he wants. Nothing about Hana's character suggests that she is going to budge on that requirement. Especially when she's willing to bump uglies regardless and the requirement is for a formal recognition of the relationship, i.e. boyfriend and girlfriend. Hana is headstrong, stubborn, and has very strong ideas of right and wrong. She's not going to compromise that just because Edwin wants to have two girlfriends. She doesn't. And for her to just change that to suit Edwin's whims would be a pretty big swing away from her core character. That's bad writing. This dilemma is just like any dilemma encountered in the real world: You are given the constraints for your choices, presented with options, and you make a choice. That's all there is to it. Sure, there's plenty of times in the real world (or in games, of course) that we'd all love to have other choices than the ones we do. But sometimes we're just SOL. People have dealbreakers for friendship, relationships, etc. all the time. That's just the way it is. Going back to #1, it's pretty clear you don't like that choice on the part of the devs. Again, that's fine! You're allowed to have that frustration and your feelings are valid! But making the change you want to see would require changing Hana's character in a pretty big way, and it would make the writing worse, and that would make the game worse. And that's *my* opinion, with which you're absolutely free to disagree at whatever length you like.

Look, I understand how the game is written and I understand the characters. What I'm saying in the message you quoted is that I think there's still hope to at least be with both Mina and Hana in the end. I also understand that my issue with the "dilemma" we're faced with is just me being impatient because I'm actually afraid to be wrong on that point and I want to "secure" that possibility as fast as possible in order to not be faced with the possibility that we actually have to choose.

But you people totally giving up on the idea is also pretty biased on the opposite side. Characters are not stagnant, they change and they evolve. Especially well-written ones. Hana would have never accepted to engage this much in the club at the beginning of the game. Mina would have never cheated on Ian from the get-go. Etc. I'm not saying Hana should accept a trouple just like this. Neither am I saying she should accept Edwin fucking every whore and hot girl he can find. I'm saying there's hope that she accepts at least Mina at some point, given the right choices and the right progression.