VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.5 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[UmbralKnight]

If we're going down that rabbit hole, we have even less idea how many flings Liliana had while they were married... and she's the one quick to remarry. Coincidence??

exactly !
we know very little about her wife.

Well, we don't exactly know how many flings Veronica cheated on her wife with. Maybe let's wait with opening the champagne just yet.

(maybe that marriage murder wasn't all about trying to save the gym)

well i would never defend cheating but we don't know exactly know HOW her marriage broke down ,we only have a clue about WHY it fell apart.
veroncia does admit that she has had several flings recently but it's AFTER her divorce.
meanwhile let's not forget mina isn't exactly innocent either , she was making moves on ians best friend when she was still his GF (technically) plus she has a checklist of kinks that she wants to clear with the help of her current BFs best friend !

Ian catching strays. Hes been a pretty ride or die bro for Edwin. Also Victoria likes him, gotta trust goat mommy on these types of things.

ian is a bro and the MC definitely knows that he loves vicky like his own mother but come on you can't trust him not to do something stupid when other women are involved even if they are the MCs GF.
ian lacks self control

 

[DirtyMario]

It's technically not NTR because Victoria isn't Edwin's romantic partner (and never will be). And NTR is about getting your romantic partner seduced away.

On the other hand, (some of) people with NTR vulnerability are rarely concerned with technicalities and go with simple "i feel jealous and hurt therefore it's NTR".

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily vulnerable to NTR, I usually don't mind if it's there. It just stings a lot more to see it happen in this context, and I'm sure that's exactly what TD and Gil were going for. Just making the player uncomfortable and questioning if it's okay to find this hot.

exactly !
we know very little about her wife.

well i would never defend cheating but we don't know exactly know HOW her marriage broke down ,we only have a clue about WHY it fell apart.
veroncia does admit that she has had several flings recently but it's AFTER her divorce.
meanwhile let's not forget mina isn't exactly innocent either , she was making moves on ians best friend when she was still his GF (technically) plus she has a checklist of kinks that she wants to clear with the help of her current BFs best friend !

Veronica is a dainty butterfly that crafted herself steel armor. I love the honest interactions she has with MC where she kinda opens up the shell a bit and that's why I went for the friend route in my main playthrough.
I feel like she can and will be the broest of all the bros once she fully trusts and I'll be damned if I won't see this through to the end.

ian is a bro and the MC definitely knows that he loves vicky like his own mother but come on you can't trust him not to do something stupid when other women are involved even if they are the MCs GF.
ian lacks self control

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

 

[UmbralKnight]

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily vulnerable to NTR, I usually don't mind if it's there. It just stings a lot more to see it happen in this context, and I'm sure that's exactly what TD and Gil were going for. Just making the player uncomfortable and questioning if it's okay to find this hot.

Veronica is a dainty butterfly that crafted herself steel armor. I love the honest interactions she has with MC where she kinda opens up the shell a bit and that's why I went for the friend route in my main playthrough.
I feel like she can and will be the broest of all the bros once she fully trusts and I'll be damned if I won't see this through to the end.

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

that club dance scene and the entire conversation afterwards convinced me that she is the best girl.
kinda felt bad that the last update teased another dance scene but cut to the next scene immediately.

idk what happens in the other routes but in my play through i had maximum bromance with ian , convinced him to introspect like his mother wanted but also revealed the secret deal she tried to make to ian, tried to reconcile him and mina and finally the MC revealed Vicky's secret to ian and even called him brother.
so atleast in this route the MC and Ians are BFFs and he definitely considers vicky to be a mother figure.
but given ians nature i could totally see him try something like that if you are not BFFs

 

[misfolk]

we know very little about her wife.

Given what we know about the next competition (Elias, the painting, the coach), she might just make an appearance. I wonder what blast from the past Kath has in store for Rosalind.

 

[Deithvven]

I had some errors with the game, it was suggested to me that changing rendering option (shift+g) could help. After I did, so I am getting black screen, I can hear the music but only black screen. Could someone help to revert it back to deafult, please ?

 

[ffive]

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance?

It's probably some sort of confusion, because Victoria seems to be a sort of "real mother figure" for Ian that he doesn't associate with how he normally perceives women. Or you might've been influenced by people in the thread who were speculating that "those two for sure are fucking behind Edwin's back" or stuff like that?

 

[Hungover00]

It's probably some sort of confusion, because Victoria seems to be a sort of "real mother figure" for Ian that he doesn't associate with how he normally perceives women. Or you might've been influenced by people in the thread who were speculating that "those two for sure are fucking behind Edwin's back" or stuff like that?

Ian is currently fucking his childhood maid, another maternal figure in his life. So I'm not sure where the line is for him.

 

[Idontplay]

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

Let's say that for a guy every woman is a slut except his own mother, but because Ian's mother is a bitch, for Ian every woman is a slut except Edwin's mother.
By the way the game did never stated that Ian was fucking Victoria, but the early chapters gave to your fantasy the way to think that there was something between them. The following chapters proved that Victoria was the actual mother figure for Ian and in the last chapter Ian's mother stated that Ian had always had a crush for Victoria, so in my opinion there isn't any change in the characters and their relationship, but an able way to play with what was stated and what was hinted.

 

[Thor875]

It's probably some sort of confusion, because Victoria seems to be a sort of "real mother figure" for Ian that he doesn't associate with how he normally perceives women. Or you might've been influenced by people in the thread who were speculating that "those two for sure are fucking behind Edwin's back" or stuff like that?

No but how will the information of Vicky's porn affect Ian, considering that Vicky is one of the few women he respects, has put her on a pedestal so to speak. You can probably assume he'll be looking for the movies at home. After the Donovan interview at the latest, I could imagine that his image of women will be completely destroyed. Since he has to see and hear that she, of all people, enjoys presenting herself as a masturbation aid in every imaginable ways, he could definitely follow in his uncle's footsteps. If he also gets his hands on Mina's to-do list.....

 

[DirtyMario]

No but how will the information of Vicky's porn affect Ian, considering that Vicky is one of the few women he respects, has put her on a pedestal so to speak. You can probably assume he'll be looking for the movies at home. After the Donovan interview at the latest, I could imagine that his image of women will be completely destroyed. Since he has to see and hear that she, of all people, enjoys presenting herself as a masturbation aid in every imaginable ways, he could definitely follow in his uncle's footsteps. If he also gets his hands on Mina's to-do list.....

I seriously hope I deleted the last copies on MCs home PC...

 

[ffive]

Ian is currently fucking his childhood maid, another maternal figure in his life. So I'm not sure where the line is for him.

He is doing it after he has realized she is, in fact, a woman and all his misogynist instincts kicked in. Which makes it an open question how he'll treat Victoria after/if Edwin tells him about Victoria's past. But doesn't really put into question his past behavior towards her, and when this development doesn't happen and his mental image of Victoria is "pure" so to speak.

 

[Ottoeight]

Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.

Yes, you 100% are. There's a dialogue between Edwin and Ian where Ian tells he never had a crush on Vic and he consider her as a mother figure.

Anyway, I think it's optional and you might have skipped it, but it doesn't matter because a lot of people here twist the story according to their wishful thinking.

Ian is currently fucking his childhood maid, another maternal figure in his life. So I'm not sure where the line is for him.

Bro, you are free to believe in whatever the hell you want to believe in. Keep on believing until the day you will finally read the final dialogue word of the epilogue of this VN.

I guess we literally have to give up on these "Victoria must have sex with a younger bloke no-matter-who-he-is-I-just-want-to-see-it" dudes.

I give up.

 

[Sleepingbeast97]

Im currently on the second exhibition please somebody tell me there is a way to help all the girls or i don't think ill be emotionally able to complete this game. i feel so bad for all of them.

 

[Idontplay]

Nobody knows that.

 

[thela2]

It seems we are playing different games.

im on hana path the only scene i could get was that red hair girl then i used cheats and stuff to get rosalind one and the bartender one but like im said i use cheats if i played my normal routune i would only get the the first one

 

[Thor875]

Can someone help me to interpret correctly what Vicky meant when she stammered: “To be honest, I never really... w-with my l-life... w-well, until I did...”?
Did she find fulfillment or the meaning of her life during the first disgusting recordings?

 

[Sleepingbeast97]

Nobody knows that.

Ah fuck i forgot its not finished yet

 

[DirtyMario]

im on hana path the only scene i could get was that red hair girl then i used cheats and stuff to get rosalind one and the bartender one but like im said i use cheats if i played my normal routune i would only get the the first one

If you choose monogamy with Hana it should be clear that you'll miss out on a boatload of scenes with other girls.
It's completely worth it though because she's better than all these cheap hoes

 

[BrockLanders]

This update is absolutely fantastic and I've only updated one path save so far...

Hana x Mina + Kat + Rose + Bromance, positive in all friendships/relationships as much as possible. Edwin is moderately masochistic in this save and is expressing it surprisingly positively. Now I have to update on all the single paths, the Full Deal, Kat's prodigy, and others.

It's woven absolutely perfectly so far. The pacing is perfect, the renders are gorgeous, the animations are subtle and studious. I only saw one spelling error so far. I still believe this novel is the best there is and few others approach the rarified air Pale Carnations lives in.

And again... I'M NOT REALLY EVEN INTO THE BDSM TAG BUT HOLY SHIT THIS IS GOOD HOW THE FUCK DO I CHOOSE JUST ONE

 

[BrockLanders]

Im currently on the second exhibition please somebody tell me there is a way to help all the girls or i don't think ill be emotionally able to complete this game. i feel so bad for all of them.

Do what I did, play multiple paths. Some it seems you'll be able to help everyone... it feels like you may not be able to free them all of what troubles them, but Edwin can be made to try earnestly to understand and help them cope... and (possibly) flourish. The writing is mature enough that you don't need to be involved with a LI in order to care about them in many respects. I know what you mean though, I play harem tag games a lot because I have so much trouble choosing sometimes!