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I have to disagree here! While I prefer other women in PC, Mina is a dear friend. I would never throw her to the wolves, in this case Veronica, who ruined her once-happy marriage for a god damn frakking gym!
For me a grey zone solution in general is that I want to help many people and doing so, but that there are cases where my own gains take very much precedence.
You are not enough degenerate to understand the pleasure that you can feel throwing a sweetheart like Mina to Veronica; above all if you have made a deal like: «I will help you to fuck her, if you allow me to train in your gym for free.»
Veronica is an asset as a dark/grey Edwin play through though.Post successful, discussion running!
I have only more time in the evening or tomorrow to answer all stuff, but it got the discussion about Samson, Veronika and his friendship score (only one among the Club members) going. I am fully aware what a dick move it would be hooking up Samson and Veronika and it´s why I said a solution for a grey and dark Edwin. This solution of the Veronika story is completely about Edwin´s(!) gains while solving some other problems, but as an afterthought.
Samson going this far, getting Veronika into the Club due to his long meddling, shows that at least some crush feelings are involved. You do not go this far for simply a fuck, that Samson can get anytime in the Club. Even for revenge, this is a long time.
Also when you look at the scene in the Sauna, there is a moment where his face looks very much like John Wayne´s. I doubt that it is the intention to show " the Duke" as a complete prick throughout the whole game.
The gym is the perfect place to have a public testing of any new or updated horny medicine or legal medicine without Edwin’s name tied to it. Just swap out the butt vitamin injections or mix them with the new medicine.
On the money front after Veronica loses the competition and everything in her life. A broken Veronica won’t have any where to go outside of the club. That’s where Edwin can swoop in and be the “hero” and have her work at the club.
Edwin can play on Samsons obsession with Veronica and rake in his Hollywood cash by trickle feeding him Veronica and have a huge pay out with Samson dressed up as John Wayne and Veronica in Native American gear or something when her body ages out sex work.
Just giving a narcissistic bully in Samson what he wants by letting Veronica hook up with him for free doesn’t gain Dark Edwin any money or respect/power. It’s just giving up an asset Willy Nilly. That’s a dumb Edwin play though not a grey or dark Edwin play through.
As mentioned repeatedly, Veronica has literally whole world to go to outside of the club, once she stops being attached to her gym (no matter if this separation is voluntary or a development she simply fails to prevent) She can work in any other gym instead of turning tricks for people she despises.
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It's technically not NTR because Victoria isn't Edwin's romantic partner (and never will be). And NTR is about getting your romantic partner seduced away.
On the other hand, (some of) people with NTR vulnerability are rarely concerned with technicalities and go with simple "i feel jealous and hurt therefore it's NTR".
Pardon, but your plan won´t work! The moment Veronika loses the competition, she is gone. Surely broken, but without the gym, she will go away somewhere else. There is literally nothing holding her in Moorhead Hills.
Using the gym as a place to test new stuff Sophia comes up with is equally dumb. Remember, Abel and Sophia have secret labs to test out anything without risk of exposure. The two "testing" the super Viagra in the Club has complete different reasons.
Why this obsession with Samson´s money? A white or grey Edwin will be well-off either way at the end of the game unless he messes up completely. As I mentioned e.g. Samson´s connections into the movie world are nice to have. He still has these connections., even if he dislikes some of his movies from an actor´s view.
Also hooking up Veronica with Samson might be a dick move giving that Samson is mostly responsible for Veronica´s woes (something she does not know), but it is not dumb! It is soft power approach when you have high friendship scores with Samson and Veronica. It is manipulative, but as I wrote before it brings Samson firmly into your camp. He might not be the most influential or rich club member, but he might come in handy when the true upheaval starts. While not a fighter like Warren or Jacob, it is hinted at that Samson had it rough before becoming a movie star.
I used the gym example from a point of view of Edwin’s advancement in life, not Abel’s and Sophia’s continued career. It also gives the option if Edwin takes Graces deal and goes a more legitimate route for his medical ambition's on a grey route. I’m trying to track with your mindset on what benifits Edwin the most in a non white knight play through. Being stuck under Abel or Sophia to me doesn’t seem like an ambitious Edwin would do.
I’m obsessed with the money because it was one of the 3 options at the beginning of the game that drives Edwin’s character arc. The other 2 being helping others and respect or power I believe.
Hooking up Samson with Veronica to get rid of Verinica doesn’t benefit him on any of those 3 driving forces. Money being the only one I can reasonably see Samson as an option of Edwin to keep Veronica in Samsons orbit.
I agree with Samson and Veronica hooking up is a dick move or a bad end. I’m not arguing that point. I’m debating the point you think Veronica is an annoyance worthy of getting rid of. Hooking Samson and Veronica because of Samson’s “crush” seems like the least effective way of getting rid of her or using her.
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However, I believe there is a subsection of NTR games that focus on mothers or other family members that aren't romantically linked to the MC. So there's a market for that.
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true ,true vernonica did kill her marriage trying to save her gym but considering the fact that last person mina was in a relationship was IAN , Veroncia is clearly an upgrade.
Well, we don't exactly know how many flings Veronica cheated on her wife with. Maybe let's wait with opening the champagne just yet.
(maybe that marriage murder wasn't all about trying to save the gym)
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If we're going down that rabbit hole, we have even less idea how many flings Liliana had while they were married... and she's the one quick to remarry. Coincidence??Well, we don't exactly know how many flings Veronica cheated on her wife with. Maybe let's wait with opening the champagne just yet.
(maybe that marriage murder wasn't all about trying to save the gym)
Ian catching strays. Hes been a pretty ride or die bro for Edwin. Also Victoria likes him, gotta trust goat mommy on these types of things.
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exactly !If we're going down that rabbit hole, we have even less idea how many flings Liliana had while they were married... and she's the one quick to remarry. Coincidence??
we know very little about her wife.
well i would never defend cheating but we don't know exactly know HOW her marriage broke down ,we only have a clue about WHY it fell apart.Well, we don't exactly know how many flings Veronica cheated on her wife with. Maybe let's wait with opening the champagne just yet.
(maybe that marriage murder wasn't all about trying to save the gym)
veroncia does admit that she has had several flings recently but it's AFTER her divorce.
meanwhile let's not forget mina isn't exactly innocent either , she was making moves on ians best friend when she was still his GF (technically) plus she has a checklist of kinks that she wants to clear with the help of her current BFs best friend !
ian is a bro and the MC definitely knows that he loves vicky like his own mother but come on you can't trust him not to do something stupid when other women are involved even if they are the MCs GF.
ian lacks self control
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I wouldn't say I'm necessarily vulnerable to NTR, I usually don't mind if it's there. It just stings a lot more to see it happen in this context, and I'm sure that's exactly what TD and Gil were going for. Just making the player uncomfortable and questioning if it's okay to find this hot.
Veronica is a dainty butterfly that crafted herself steel armor. I love the honest interactions she has with MC where she kinda opens up the shell a bit and that's why I went for the friend route in my main playthrough.
I feel like she can and will be the broest of all the bros once she fully trusts and I'll be damned if I won't see this through to the end.
Am I confusing games and characters here or was it not kind of established that Ian would totally fuck Victoria given the chance? It's kind of a strange change of character that happened gradually. In the earlier chapters it felt like yes, he's MCs best friend but he's also a giant piece of shit when it comes to women in general. Now in the latest update he cares for MCs mom more than for his own. Feels like some kind of forced attempt at an Ian redemption arc.
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that club dance scene and the entire conversation afterwards convinced me that she is the best girl.
kinda felt bad that the last update teased another dance scene but cut to the next scene immediately.
idk what happens in the other routes but in my play through i had maximum bromance with ian , convinced him to introspect like his mother wanted but also revealed the secret deal she tried to make to ian, tried to reconcile him and mina and finally the MC revealed Vicky's secret to ian and even called him brother.
so atleast in this route the MC and Ians are BFFs and he definitely considers vicky to be a mother figure.
but given ians nature i could totally see him try something like that if you are not BFFs
Given what we know about the next competition (Elias, the painting, the coach), she might just make an appearance. I wonder what blast from the past Kath has in store for Rosalind.
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I had some errors with the game, it was suggested to me that changing rendering option (shift+g) could help. After I did, so I am getting black screen, I can hear the music but only black screen. Could someone help to revert it back to deafult, please ?
It's probably some sort of confusion, because Victoria seems to be a sort of "real mother figure" for Ian that he doesn't associate with how he normally perceives women. Or you might've been influenced by people in the thread who were speculating that "those two for sure are fucking behind Edwin's back" or stuff like that?
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Ian is currently fucking his childhood maid, another maternal figure in his life. So I'm not sure where the line is for him.