VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Meiri]

it definitely does, but then you're the guy who acted as a rebound for your best friend's ex, which socially hasn't been a norm since the 50's (as in the classical declaration that you're gonna steal your friend's girl if he ain't serious about her)

EDIT: Not to say I'm totally against the situation, mind you. That kind of forbidden fruit scenario is hot in it's own way; the pang of guilt hidden by lust.

Tbf I always feel bad pursuing Mina for that reason, even if her relationship was doomed to fail but Ian is a good friend even if clearly a bad match for any girl right now.

 

[GamingSavant]

Tbf I always feel bad pursuing Mina for that reason, even if her relationship was doomed to fail but Ian is a good friend even if clearly a bad match for any girl right now.

Well, I do think there is some fun irony in the fact that Mina always hated that she played Juliet in 'Romeo and Juliet' because of how boring and spontaneous she was for falling for Romeo, but falls so quickly in love with Edwin and seemingly the only excuse to keep her from pouncing him sooner was Killian.

 

[Turret]

I mean, it's not like you burn the bridges entirely with Ian. But if you drop the friendship score to around zero then they're more of "former best friends" (and Edwin would rather not interact much if he can help it) than actual best friends.

While an option, I consider this shooting yourself in the knee. Ian has big flaws, but it clear pretty early on he is also a fracking great friend to have. I have a bromance with him in my playthroughs, it already shows and will bear fruits in the game future. "My" Ian went contemplative, is starting to turn around his life and even Hana is warming up to him a bit. Ian/Mina still have 5-6 romance points at this time in the game, a rekindling of their relationship might happen.

 

[ffive]

Ian/Mina still have 5-6 romance points at this time in the game, a rekindling of their relationship might happen.

I've made sure they have 0 at this point in my play through.

I really don't see why Ian would deserve to be let anywhere near Mina, much less trying to convince her to "give him a chance" or whatever after all the bullshit he pulled and how he's treated her in their relationship. Sentiment for your best friend is one thing, but indulging him to such extent goes well beyond rose glasses.

He's made his bed and he can now sleep in it, alone. Or more realistically, railing his former nanny there and whatever other girl he's hit on that is willing to put up with him.

(btw, Hana warms up to any Ian, it doesn't depend on his change thing)

 

[GamingSavant]

honestly after going down the route, breaking up with Mina might be what's best for Ian cuz it lets you have a more earnest talk with him about what he truly wants in life besides philandering with his family's money, without judging his life style, forcing him to think for himself instead of go with a pessimistic flow that has him in his current rut.

On the opposite side of things, Mina was clearly unhappy with their relationship; hanging out with Edwin made her more open than she was with anyone else; her brother confirms it when he says the way she acts around Edwin isn't how she typically acts, and Ian never really listened to her or gave her any meaningful input on things she asked for input on, literally saying she talks too much. Even if Edwin doesn't ultimately want a permanent thing with her, his influence on her proved Mina can do better than Ian (as he is currently).

 

[Alexx88]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not really a fan of Minas hair style. I think it's too, I don't know, "cutetsy" maybe? To me, it's somewhat distracting from her cute face. Her straight hair in some scenes is a little better. I personally think she'd look great wearing a simple pony tail. This is all just my opinion of course. A minor nitpick. I love this game, and I'd never actually suggest the dev's change anything. They're doing a great job with this!

 

[GamingSavant]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not really a fan of Minas hair style. I think it's too, I don't know, "cutetsy" maybe? To me, it's somewhat distracting from her cute face. Her straight hair in some scenes is a little better. I personally think she'd look great wearing a simple pony tail. This is all just my opinion of course. A minor nitpick. I love this game, and I'd never actually suggest the dev's change anything. They're doing a great job with this!

in a game with sadism being a focus, twin-tails are just free handle-bars. There was a taste of that when you can cum in her mouth during the first sex scene. That's kind of the best appeal to it, and a contrast to her bubbly personality where you can dom the shit out of her.

 

[Turret]

I've made sure they have 0 at this point in my play through.

I really don't see why Ian would deserve to be let anywhere near Mina, much less trying to convince her to "give him a chance" or whatever after all the bullshit he pulled and how he's treated her in their relationship. Sentiment for your best friend is one thing, but indulging him to such extent goes well beyond rose glasses.

He's made his bed and he can now sleep in it, alone. Or more realistically, railing his former nanny there and whatever other girl he's hit on that is willing to put up with him.

(btw, Hana warms up to any Ian, it doesn't depend on his change thing)

And, as always, here come in the different playstyles and end goals of us players. Mina is a very good friend for my Edwin and he helps her like he does with Ian. Since he goes towards Hana, Felicia and Sophia, honorably mentioned Dalia and Andrea (even if these two are even less likely LIs than Sophia is), he is more or less neutral on the Ian/Mina drama. If they reconcil, esp. if we got Ian off this self-destructive path he was on, that is fine with me, if they find different LIs they are happy with, that is fine as well. I´ll support those two like a good friend should.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I'm not really a fan of Minas hair style. I think it's too, I don't know, "cutetsy" maybe?

What, SACRILEGE! Quad tails for the win! Joking aside, I understand your point, but for Mina the hairstyle was surely chosen with cute in mind from the start. For instance Rosi´s hairstyles scream "MILF" at the top of their lungs, like Sophia´s "feminine, but no nonsense" as she is.
Btw, one thing about the hairstyles we saw so far, it would have been a nice brush against expectations if Hana would have been blond haired instead of black. There are blond goth rockers too.

 

[Padorublad3]

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[ffive]

And, as always, here come in the different playstyles and end goals of us players. Mina is a very good friend for my Edwin and he helps her like he does with Ian. Since he goes towards Hana, Felicia and Sophia, honorably mentioned Dalia and Andrea (even if these two are even less likely LIs than Sophia is), he is more or less neutral on the Ian/Mina drama.

Yeah, you're right about being different -- i simply don't get the "being neutral" part when Ian has been an asshole to Mina when they were together. Or how Edwin can consider himself "a very good friend" to Mina in this case, when he apparently doesn't give a fuck about how his other very good friend has treated her and is instead just giving him a pass.

 

[slightchance]

Yeah, you're right about being different -- i simply don't get the "being neutral" part when Ian has been an asshole to Mina when they were together. Or how Edwin can consider himself "a very good friend" to Mina in this case, when he apparently doesn't give a fuck about how his other very good friend has treated her and is instead just giving him a pass.

Can it be categorized as a toxic relationship? Sure. Does Killian deserve a 2nd chance or someone who uses their position to talk some sense into him? Maybe. Whatever your stance is, I recommend to take a back seat and play with all the options the game has to offer - even when your heart screams no in the beginning. It's more fun to see what Jeff & Mutt have come up with than taking the game all too seriously.

 

[GamingSavant]

Only way I'd be interested in a scenario where Killian and Mina get back together is if either A) The player/Edwin has zero interest in Mina and if left alone they naturally gravitate back together, or B) They open up with some ground rules and leading to them having a more open relationship and potentially a throuple with Edwin (let's face it, Ian is just gay enough that he'd spitroast his GF with Edwin)

 

[pinuz1]

Yeah, you're right about being different -- i simply don't get the "being neutral" part when Ian has been an asshole to Mina when they were together. Or how Edwin can consider himself "a very good friend" to Mina in this case, when he apparently doesn't give a fuck about how his other very good friend has treated her and is instead just giving him a pass.

I think this depends on how you want to play the game, Imo I like to roleplay as the main character of the story I'm presented with, by that I mean, stay true to what that character would do, or how they'd act, in most AVN it doesn't help that many main characters are blank slates and have little to no real backstory other than dead parents or some shit. But in PC, since the very beginning the story tells you that Ian is your lifelong friend, and as big of an asshole as he might be to women, he's never been bad to you, hell you only enter the club thanks to him, so "cheating" on him with Mina, is something I feel Edwin wouldn't be happy with doing, even if at that point their relationship is over because Mina is going to break up with him sooner than later anyway.

It's true Edwin might be a good friend to Mina, but she's nothing to him when compared to Ian, hell, if we're being realistic, if some choice presented itself where MC needs to save someone's life and can only choose 1, he would save Ian over any other character in the story. (other than Victoria ofc)

On other stuff you 2 mentioned, I don't think Ian deserves a second chance, or rather, Mina doesn't deserve to be stuck with him twice. But I do think he'll get some type of redemption arc, idk if he'll end up with his nanny or if he'll find a better girl for him, but I don't see a MinaxIan ending, I also think that moving past that one relationship is crucial for him in becoming a better person.

 

[GamingSavant]

I ultimately doubt there's a world where Ian and Mina get back together either, and despite what I said the other day, I doubt he'd even care if Edwin is the one who ends up making her happy. Ian's character development is more about his growing up into acting more like a man worth his weight in the gold he has. His playboy mentality and lack of emotional attachment is compensating for his fear of abandonment and disappointment from people who are supposed to be close to him. Hell, he treats Victoria more like a mother than his own freaking mother. On top of it, he just doesn't know what he wants to do, but he thinks a lot of the people in his life that are trying to pave the road for him are actually just trying to dictate his life instead, which isn't the case (save for Grace, but she's a bitch).

Mina also just sounds kinda done with him, and doesn't even mention him much other than "oh yeah, this guy who I'm into now is still best friends with him", but Mina's development as it stands is exploring her sexuality via her "bucket list" to figure out what she wants as well (let's not beat around the bush though, she wants to be dommed and in a thruple).

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

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Just like in the game, everyone is hot and then Hana shows up and it´s a different ball game.

 

[GamingSavant]

Hmmm feel like I'm missing something for the Mina & Hana kiss scene. I'm fuck-buddies with Hana, Part Lovers with Mina or w/e they're calling it, and Mina's Bi-curiosity is at 4, I hung out with Mina and went to the stage and... Hana kisses Edwin and Mina gets jealous, the end. I was absolutely transparent about the date with Hana earlier on too, so idk what's up with all that.

 

[bonerland]

Hmmm feel like I'm missing something for the Mina & Hana kiss scene. I'm fuck-buddies with Hana, Part Lovers with Mina or w/e they're calling it, and Mina's Bi-curiosity is at 4, I hung out with Mina and went to the stage and... Hana kisses Edwin and Mina gets jealous, the end. I was absolutely transparent about the date with Hana earlier on too, so idk what's up with all that.

You have to just let the scene play out. It occurs after the concert.

 

[GamingSavant]

You have to just let the scene play out. It occurs after the concert.

Ah, guess I had to really wait it out then lol.

Whelp, caught up by doing Hana/Rose/Mina kind of side by side (and no cheating on Hana on her split, yay) so now I just have to *check notes* play through favoriting Felicia and Veronica, hooboy.

The wait for the new update is gonna kill me and I just started a few days ago

 

[GamingSavant]

Speaking of, I might as well list my favorites so far:

Favorite Carnation: Rosalind, easily. I like the other two obviously but the variation between kinky humiliation and more loving and tender sex scenes with her take the cake.

Favorite Main Girl in general : Hana. She's the reason I even played this game (Goth GF with Twin-tails and full body tats? YESSSS), though Mina is a close second because behind the cuteness she's a freak in her sex scenes, and just looks good in general.

Favorite Misc Girl: Andrea. I immediately wanted more of her after first seeing her and was glad she had a full scene dedicated to her.

Favorite supporting character (non-sexable characters with affinities): Killian. He may be a chauvinistic asshole, but he's our chauvinistic asshole. Guy would actually take a bullet for you.

Favorite non-supporting (non-sexable characters without affinities) character: Victoria (BEST MOM)

Least Favorite Carnation: Harsh cuz I consider them all good, but probably Veronica, and only cuz it takes a while to get her more staple scenes into play (like part way into Week 1 before the juicy stuff starts happening)

Least Favorite Main Girl in general: Kathleen. Not really into hags, plus she's a massive bitch, which can add to the charm of being the Top in her scenes, but not for me. Also getting on her good side likely means making every other girl hate you more.

Least Favorite Misc Girl: Alice; I'm not into hags, especially ones that are designed to be unnatractive. Sorry, Alice.

Least Favorite Supporting Character: Warren by far. I think his actions speak for themselves.

Least Favorite Non-Supporting Character: Grace. Literally the worst. Makes Chuck look like a saint.

 

[lustforsex]

new update when?

When it's ready.