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SonsOfLiberty

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Well, one bug seems to remain. When Sophia talks to Edwin at home this text is displayed even if you chose to say nothing to Chuck!
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I heard that this bug would be fixed in the public update. so once I updated with the public patch, I fired up a save from before the visit and where I never told Chuck about Abel and Sophia coming. But I still get the wrong passage. Do I have to start a new game or is the bug simply not fixed?
I have no idea, maybe it's baked into the save, no clue honestly, maybe you should ping the developer since they seem to post here quite often and ask.
 

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I meant more in the context of Hana warming up the club itself. IIRC her reaction in the last scene isn't flagged (there is no variation), so whatever she's seen or done up until this point doesn't count. How do you go from her reaction to the reveal to making her compliant again and willing to jump into the pit as well? She didn't enjoy what Kathleen and Chuck had come up with, that much is clear.
 
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I meant more in the context of Hana warming up the club itself. IIRC her reaction in the last scene isn't flagged (there is no variation), so whatever she's seen or done up until this point doesn't count. How do you go from her reaction to the reveal to making her compliant again and willing to jump into the pit as well? She didn't enjoy what Kathleen and Chuck had come up with, that much is clear.
Kath controls the Carnations far more than she does the housegirls: different deal.

Housegirls have it rough in some ways, sure, but Kath totally destroyed Felicia's personal and professional life. Not the same league, to the extent even August is "WTF Kath" on it, despite having forewarning.

Hana might well still get a taste for the life, as she is evincing a heavy flirtation with it; tho some of that is likely lust for the dispassionate, skilled, and virile MC, it feels like the fantasy itself appeals to her.

She doubtless would avoid the worst of Kath's clutches by just never becoming a Carnation which would be in future years, anyway).
 

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God, there is just so many topics i could touch in this update but let me say, If Felicia wins she get the back up of the club, she would be standing in the same place as her husband, even if Elias divorces her he wont be able to do anything to her beyond that, and Kath knows it.

Now if she lose... divorce would be the last of her worries, even more, her family and close people would be in danger, since we dont know how far would Elias go.

So yeah, she is fucked up right now, she has to win or everything is over... but maybe there is another way she can get out of the situation and that is what is really interesting, right now i see 3 posibilities:

1. Being a housegirl: in which i am pretty sure the club protect them, beside we knows that work for the club isnt forever, once you gain what you are looking for you can stop being a house girl (at least daily, but we have saw with allison that they still own you after being gone), it could be that The same Kathleen convince Elias to let our blonde pay her punishment with work.

2. That Mc saves her: yeah this posibility is pretty real but... it would ruin anything they have, lately Edwin has becoming more and more important for the club, in this update we have seen how many of the most important members get close to him, i am pretty sure that if Mc talk with August and Chuck he can convince them to give her to him, But it would be like treating her as an object, it would destroy any self confident points she
 
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God, there is just so many topics i could touch in this update but let me say, If Felicia wins she get the back up of the club, she would be standing in the same place as her husband, even if Elias divorces her he wont be able to do anything to her beyond that, and Kath knows it.

Now if she lose... divorce would be the last of her worries, even more, her family and close people would be in danger, since we dont know how far would Elias go.

So yeah, she is fucked up right now, she has to win or everything is over... but maybe there is another way she can get out of the situation and that is what is really interesting, right now i see 3 posibilities:

1. Being a housegirl: in which i am pretty sure the club protect them, beside we knows that work for the club isnt forever, once you gain what you are looking for you can stop being a house girl (at least daily, but we have saw with allison that they still own you after being gone), it could be that The same Kathleen convince Elias to let our blonde pay her punishment with work.

2. That Mc saves her: yeah this posibility is pretty real but... it would ruin anything they have, lately Edwin has becoming more and more important for the club, in this update we have seen how many of the most important members get close to him, i am pretty sure that if Mc talk with August and Chuck he can convince them to give her to him, But it would be like treating her as an object, it would destroy any self confident points she
Agreed on both, but remember that the story seems to be leaning the main character towards potentially trying to bring down aspects of the club so that could be a factor there.

Keep in mind..

if you didn't hang out with Hana after she got her new slut dress from Kath, but instead hung out with Felicia and semi-warned her what was going on, the two of you briefly discuss the hopeful hint of a possibility of her settling down with you if she loses. MC does say he believes she'll find her way to survive and even make money even if she loses, but they have that little ghost of a hint of a spark of a shared future of loving domesticity between them.

I don't personally think she'd marry the MC tho, with how she is now, as he doesn't "have $10 million dollars in his pocket": even though she's clearly smitten with him if you've been fuckng her this whole time and making the right dialogue choices, she's an inveterate and obsessive gold-digger, used to latching on to old men of wealth so she can maintain the high life, while paradoxically being a very independent woman. She might just see herself as a stupid failure (still hating her real self), and actually prefer to be a housegirl, if she loses.

That said, given that her stat to raise is self-confidence, I wonder if a possible outcome with Felicia is that she finally becomes confident enough in herself (who she's always been under the hood) that she finally no longer feels the need to hate the poor girl she was, and can stop identifying solely with how rich and powerful she can become.

THAT might let her be content to just settle down and become the artist she always wanted to be, possibly with her eventually-only-semi-affluent doctor husband (MC).

I don't think that's a likely outcome, tho, unless you line everything up with her: a possibility but not a probability.

IMO, She either wins and maintains her own wealth somehow with her new connections and decides to keep the MC on retainer as her personal whore/fuckboy (unless he says no and ends that arrangement), or she loses all the way and ends up an ass up tits out full service house girl, only occasionally getting fucked by the MC whenever he gets a rare chance to peel her away from the old toads she rides and sucks every day.
 
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I'm on a new play through with 4.6 usually after the reveal of Killion's mom blackmail of MC's Mom the next morning he agrees to go with to see MC's mom. For some reason in this play through begs off and doesn't go. Also there is no scene in the hallway where he wants to crush his mom. Any idea what triggers these events?
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I'm on a new play through with 4.6 usually after the reveal of Killion's mom blackmail of MC's Mom the next morning he agrees to go with to see MC's mom. For some reason in this play through begs off and doesn't go. Also there is no scene in the hallway where he wants to crush his mom. Any idea what triggers these events?
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Yeah he refused to go with me on my playthrough, probably not enough Killian Bromance points?
 

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Hey guys! Still haven't played yet. For the ones who have completed the new update, what are the consequences of warning/not warning Felicia about the painting at the club, at the end of the previous update? Thanks a lot ^^
 

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I'm losing it so hard every time the Sophia guy posts screenshots that inadvertently serve as a reminder he baptized his Edwin as a fucking Wolfgang.
Hard luck, chummer!:);) Edwin is a rarely given name here and I wanted to give our hero something fitting his role. Wolfgang is a really old name and means "walks like a Wolf", whereas Edwin is roughly "rich friend" or "friend of riches". Also wanted to stress that this incarnation of Edwin tries to look after the girls instead of abusing them.
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Yeah he refused to go with me on my playthrough, probably not enough Killian Bromance points?
That is the most probable explanation. Bromance points are critical for several path variants.
 

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A bit late getting around to it, but finally finished the update.
And holy smokes, it was amazing.

Very chunky in length and also quite a bit of content with Hana (who is basically my only canon route that I'm playing as MC's goth gf).

Curious as to how things will further spiral into chaos (after Elias now knowing Felicia's one of the Carnations).
And ngl, with Victoria's(MC's mom) past secret being known to MC & Ian (well I decided to reveal it to him, with him being my bro), I do wonder whether Ian and Chuck will find out soon that Ian's mom tried to blackmail Victoria.

A little bit surprised that Hana has been the only one to ask about MC's bandage on his left hand.
Thought Ian would notice MC's hand bandaged when they meet at the Club, but so far nothing.
Ian in my playthrough has always been extremely loyal as a bro to my MC (going as far as telling Dr. Van Doren off for their visit to MC's apartment in previous update).
Guess I can see him flipping out and being mad at his mom.
Will him getting mad at her result in him doing more unpredictable actions?

Oh well, I guess it could be a possibility for next update, answer that TD1900 may give (or not).


On sidenote, while Hana will always be my favorite/canon girl with this game, I've grown to like Sophia a lot.
I like the whole banter & interactions (such as her stroking MC's head) she has going on with MC.

In a way, it almost feels a shame that she's not a main LI and is more of a side chick.
 

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That's all speculative and not based on a sequence of events that could give the impression Hana is on the path you're describing. But I guess your reply underlines what many have said/felt: Hana's corruption is only an abstract concept. If there are any writings on the wall then they are almost invisible (to me).
The crowd that wants her to stay exclusive is the one that needs to be convinced of there being a chance she can change (for the "worse") if they aren't careful enough. They should be the one who are watchful lest they lead her into a downward spiral. This doesn't seem to be the case here.

The scenes with Edwin and her in the club are no indicator either. They're all rather safe and on par with her doing a concert half naked. I don't believe they will use any CCTV footage to blackmail her. Be that as it may, it's probably best to dismount this dead horse for good. I'm starting to repeat myself and that becomes kinda boring.
 

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A bit late getting around to it, but finally finished the update.
And holy smokes, it was amazing.

Very chunky in length and also quite a bit of content with Hana (who is basically my only canon route that I'm playing as MC's goth gf).

Curious as to how things will further spiral into chaos (after Elias now knowing Felicia's one of the Carnations).
And ngl, with Victoria's(MC's mom) past secret being known to MC & Ian (well I decided to reveal it to him, with him being my bro), I do wonder whether Ian and Chuck will find out soon that Ian's mom tried to blackmail Victoria.

A little bit surprised that Hana has been the only one to ask about MC's bandage on his left hand.
Thought Ian would notice MC's hand bandaged when they meet at the Club, but so far nothing.
Ian in my playthrough has always been extremely loyal as a bro to my MC (going as far as telling Dr. Van Doren off for their visit to MC's apartment in previous update).
Guess I can see him flipping out and being mad at his mom.
Will him getting mad at her result in him doing more unpredictable actions?

Oh well, I guess it could be a possibility for next update, answer that TD1900 may give (or not).


On sidenote, while Hana will always be my favorite/canon girl with this game, I've grown to like Sophia a lot.
I like the whole banter & interactions (such as her stroking MC's head) she has going on with MC.

In a way, it almost feels a shame that she's not a main LI and is more of a side chick.
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Someone asking our hero about his bandaged hand depends on relations most probably. For instance, in my Hana playthrough Felicia also asks Edwin what happened (and had a funny idea about what she could do to Grace). In that playthrough among the main LI Hana and Felicia have by far the most RP with the MC, so I estimate a certain level of good relations is needed to be asked about the hand.

As for Sophia, here is hoping that we get an ending where our two social inept, quirky nerds are a couple. Their banter is great and it is pretty obvious Sophia does not do it with others. (Maybe, just maybe Abel at times, but definitely no one else in the game)
 
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Someone asking our hero about his bandaged hand depends on relations most probably. For instance, in my Hana playthrough Felicia also asks Edwin what happened (and had a funny idea about what she could do to Grace). In that playthrough among the main LI Hana and Felicia have by far the most RP with the MC, so I estimate a certain level of good relations is needed to be asked about the hand.
I think both RP for Hana and Felicia are maxed in my playthrough.
Yet, I chose to spend time with Hana (taking her photos & the boobjob lewd scene), instead of visiting Felicia in the spare time (yes, I get there is a mod which does both, but not keen on seeing all routes in these "choose only one scenarios" given it's possible to view all can mess up a game's variables lol).

Not sure whether the same applies for male characters relationships with MC as well though.
For instance, my relationship with both Ian and Dr Chuck are pretty high, yet there was nothing.
 

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I think both RP for Hana and Felicia are maxed in my playthrough.
Yet, I chose to spend time with Hana (taking her photos & the boobjob lewd scene), instead of visiting Felicia in the spare time (yes, I get there is a mod which does both, but not keen on seeing all routes in these "choose only one scenarios" given it's possible to view all can mess up a game's variables lol).

Not sure whether the same applies for male characters relationships with MC as well though.
For instance, my relationship with both Ian and Dr Chuck are pretty high, yet there was nothing.
I chose to visit Feli despite being on the Hana path in the playthrough, because a) Hana understands the problems and stuff in the club and b) what is done to Felicia is beyond the pale, so I did not spend more time with Hana, but went to visit Feli to prepare her as best as I could.

As for the guys, your relations with them are important too, you only get some options if e.g. your relations with August and Ian are good.
 

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I think both RP for Hana and Felicia are maxed in my playthrough.
Yet, I chose to spend time with Hana (taking her photos & the boobjob lewd scene), instead of visiting Felicia in the spare time (yes, I get there is a mod which does both, but not keen on seeing all routes in these "choose only one scenarios" given it's possible to view all can mess up a game's variables lol).

Not sure whether the same applies for male characters relationships with MC as well though.
For instance, my relationship with both Ian and Dr Chuck are pretty high, yet there was nothing.
Ian will notice if Edwin asks him to come along to meet Victoria this chapter. But if Edwin goes alone, I haven't tried that route but I don't think he says anything later on in the club.
 

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I'm on a new play through with 4.6 usually after the reveal of Killion's mom blackmail of MC's Mom the next morning he agrees to go with to see MC's mom. For some reason in this play through begs off and doesn't go. Also there is no scene in the hallway where he wants to crush his mom. Any idea what triggers these events?
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It's determined early in Chapter 4 by whether the MC encouraged Killian to self-reflect after breaking up with Mina. An introspective Ian has the tools needed to process the truth and recognize that Victoria is the the absolute best. A non-reflective Ian can't handle the complexities of reality, so he gets drunk and runs to uncle Chuck instead. :eek:
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That choice requires 25+ Bromance points to make, but AFAICT Bromance points are not specifically needed beyond that.


I think both RP for Hana and Felicia are maxed in my playthrough.
Yet, I chose to spend time with Hana (taking her photos & the boobjob lewd scene), instead of visiting Felicia in the spare time (yes, I get there is a mod which does both, but not keen on seeing all routes in these "choose only one scenarios" given it's possible to view all can mess up a game's variables lol).

Not sure whether the same applies for male characters relationships with MC as well though.
For instance, my relationship with both Ian and Dr Chuck are pretty high, yet there was nothing.
Various character can comment on the MC's hand, but there's a lot of branching. Ian will ask if he came along to visit Victoria in the morning. Hana will ask about it if you visit her home on the GF route. Felicia will likewise ask if the MC ended their art date with her alone (no threesome with Mina). I don't think anyone else will comment on the injury, but it's possible I missed something.
 
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