VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Meiri]

There's also a reason why Mina literally propose a throuple to Hana after the party in the update before the last one. As for the birthday party, I keep repeating the same argument but let's write it again: characters and circumstances evolve. Just because Hana said she prefers exclusive long-term relationships doesn't mean she'd totally exclude a throuple with Mina and Edwin as a (oh wait) long-term relationship, exclusive to two people she is attracted to and like.

The reason why the game counts if Edwin cheats on girlfriend Hana might just be because it's too early in the story, and she doesn't even know about Mina and Edwin when the choice to be her boyfriend comes up. With the 3 million branching paths there is in this game, it's fair to assume that, while cheating on girlfriend Hana might lock up a possible throuple with Mina, keeping her as a fuckbuddy doesn't lock up that possibility, because their relationship is still sort of open to changes.

And no, the general situation points towards lasting throuples on choices related to Mina and Ewin's relationship, Hana and Edwin's relationship, Hana and Mina relationship, and Mina bi-curiosity points (maybe also Hana anger points). I don't know where you got this "throuple only on corrupted path" idea from. I literally don't understand where it's coming from.

Yup, this is why I rarely write in here. You guys are hopeless.
I'm done.
Not even going to search for a fun image to represent how done I am.

I don't see where the general situation points towards lasting throuples here... You are ignoring the previous iteration where the throuple failed or the Hana GF path checking for every time you cheat on her.

A threesome or more is guaranteed to happen in future content but no more than that imo, I just don't see what's the point of HanaGF path if there's just another path that's gonna give you a two for one?

The only way I see this working is in a corrupted way, in contrast to a more normal, loving relationship to the normal paths.

I guess I am also hopeless then

 

[dolfe67]

I just don't see what's the point of HanaGF path if there's just another path that's gonna give you a two for one?

You don't like to be faithful to your one and only girlfriend?

 

[Discrepancy]

Yup, this is why I rarely write in here. You guys are hopeless.
I'm done.
Not even going to search for a fun image to represent how done I am.

Don't know why you calling me hopeless when I'm saying we should drop this and let you have your dreams, if you felt I was making fun of you I apologize.
And when you have a realistic story that points for a thing you want not happening I will say it's a dream, but that's nothing wrong with that, but after playing this game if you think a happy throuple relationship is a "normal" relationship I'm not sure what to tell you, maybe in countries where having more than a wife is normal, but Pale Carnations is set on the US, so yeah threesomes for fun can happen and Edwin, Hana and Mina will happen, but there's nothing in the game that makes us believe a happy lasting relationship will happen, on the contrary, but I rest my case, once again You are free to wish/dream what you want for the story to take us.

 

[Meiri]

You don't like to be faithful to your one and only girlfriend?

I do but my point there is that if you allow for a throuple path with both being ok and no consequence, you are kinda ruining both exclusive paths since both Hana and Mina act completely different there.

 

[Discrepancy]

I do but my point there is that if you allow for a throuple path with both being ok and no consequence, you are kinda ruining both exclusive paths since both Hana and Mina act completely different there.

I agree and it's hard to believe that this game even will have a real happy ending, a throuple ending when everybody is happy and no consequences is even harder to believe IMO.

 

[ffive]

High anger woman is not the right type for anyone

Ehh, i disagree, i feel like my Firestarter Edwin and Angry Hana would make a pretty dynamic duo. If Mina didn't tame him first.

 

[ffive]

I do but my point there is that if you allow for a throuple path with both being ok and no consequence, you are kinda ruining both exclusive paths since both Hana and Mina act completely different there.

Since the characters act completely different on their exclusive paths, it doesn't sound like the throuple alternative ruins anything here, but it's instead just that, an alternative with differently acting characters.

 

[Meiri]

Since the characters act completely different on their exclusive paths, it doesn't sound like the throuple alternative ruins anything here, but it's instead just that, an alternative with differently acting characters.

See, that's where I don't agree, characters have to be consistent in all routes, if they start acting contradictory you are ruining them.

Hana asking for exclusivity if you want to be a real couple, but then in the throuple path if she ends up being ok in just including Mina in the relationship that to me directly contradicts what both Mina and Hana are in their routes, just make a choice then where it's clear that both choices will lead to a normal relationship but one of them will include Mina as well.

The second choice was always about sex, no feelings attached.

 

[dolfe67]

Throuples exist in real life, it's not unrealistic though quite rare. And we're not talking about marriage, the throuple doesn't mean it's for life (and who can say even a couple will last that long?). Less and less people are marrying nowadays anyway, you can live as a couple and have children perfectly fine without being married.

Some people have weird concept of relationships. Hana asks for exclusivity if you also wants it. Otherwise she's ok to continue the relationship with no strings attached, but it doesn't mean no feelings. That doesn't contradict her character. Some players prefer pursuing only one girl even in a harem game.

 

[X2JZcf]

throuples aren't that much realistic

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no feelings attached

It’s the MC’s decision, and Hana accepts that. She can have feelings, but she’s also capable of accepting those conditions.

 

[Kameri]

throuples aren't that much realistic

I'm not the biggest fan of throuples either but i don't think being "realistic" should be the measurement of storytelling.

 

[4-kun]

I'm not the biggest fan of throuples either but i don't think being "realistic" should be the measurement of storytelling.

True that — once you experience how stressful and painful it can actually be in real life, the magic’s gone. It’s all fun and games until someone catches a cramp mid-combo.

 

[ffive]

See, that's where I don't agree, characters have to be consistent in all routes, if they start acting contradictory you are ruining them.

Hana asking for exclusivity if you want to be a real couple, but then in the throuple path if she ends up being ok in just including Mina in the relationship that to me directly contradicts what both Mina and Hana are in their routes, just make a choice then where it's clear that both choices will lead to a normal relationship but one of them will include Mina as well.

I guess i disagree mainly with the idea these somehow makes characters act contradictory -- as opposed to getting to see different facets of characters who have their preferences, but these preferences aren't so rigid it is on the level of "my way or the highway". Or their preferences are simply not quite how you imagine them to be.

The fact Hana asks for exclusive relationship with Edwin doesn't automatically mean that it is not in her character to develop feelings for more than one person, and if that happens, to want "exclusive" relationship with the people she has feelings for. This wouldn't be contradictory with her character; it would be contradictory with your own idea what her character is like, which --until that "contradiction" is revealed-- would be effectively just a presumption on your part.

Also, just because Hana can request an exclusive relationship with Edwin as her preference doesn't have to mean she would be completely against forming a different, less casual relationship. Heck, going with your presented logic the very fact she is apparently okay with having casual FWB relationship with Edwin if you don't opt for the girlfriend path is somehow contradictory and ruining her character? Do you feel like that, that Hana who still hooks up with Edwin who isn't her boyfriend is somehow ruining her character in this game and is contradictory to how she is? Or is this somehow different in your eyes from being okay with a throuple and hooking up with more than one partner?

 

[Meiri]

I guess i disagree mainly with the idea these somehow makes characters act contradictory -- as opposed to getting to see different facets of characters who have their preferences, but these preferences aren't so rigid it is on the level of "my way or the highway".

The fact Hana asks for exclusive relationship with Edwin doesn't automatically mean that it is not in her character to have feelings for more than one person, and if that happens, to have "exclusive" relationship with the people she has feelings for. This wouldn't be contradictory with her character; it would be contradictory with your own idea what her character is like, which --until that "contradiction" is revealed-- would be effectively just a presumption on your part.

Just because Hana can request an exclusive relationship with Edwin as her preference doesn't have to mean she would be completely against forming a different, less casual relationship. Heck, going with your presented logic the very fact she is apparently okay with having casual FWB relationship with Edwin if you don't opt for the girlfriend path is somehow contradictory and ruining her character? Do you feel like that, that Hana who still hooks up with Edwin who is her boyfriend is somehow ruining her character in this game and is contradictory to how she is? Or is this somehow different in your eyes from being okay with a throuple and hooking up with more than one partner?

Well, people in a FWB relationship don't just become ok with sharing if they catch feelings for the other, the logical thing is to eventually give an ultimatum to your partner or move on.

If this was clearly a Harem game from the start and nobody bothered then sure, but it's been something important for Edwin and for Hana in her route, why put this in the story if it's not going to have any impact?

It makes sense if this continues as a FWB relationship or if after working with the club they have become a more corrupted version of themselves, something that actually makes it different to the other path.

For this throuple to just end in a normal relationship between them after putting so much focus in the exclusive paths would do no sense to me, if you do that you may as well just remove the previous choices and just let one accept Mina or not.

That's all I am going to say because I think we are repeating it a bit too much, we will see how they end up doing it.

 

[ffive]

For this throuple to just end in a normal relationship between them after putting so much focus in the exclusive paths would do no sense to me, if you do that you may as well just remove the previous choices and just let one accept Mina or not.

I'm afraid i don't really understand the point you're trying to make here. What do you mean by "just let one accept Mina or not"? Who is the "one" here? Edwin? Hana? the player?

If you mean Edwin/player, then narratively it would not make any real sense to spring this kind of suggestion on Hana when she doesn't have any actual feelings for Mina nor considers herself interested in lesbian relationships. And similarly, it'd make no sense for Hana to come up with such suggestion, for the same reasons. So having an arrangement which starts as typical exclusive relationship and expands further down the road is simply more coherent, story-wise. If things happen, it's usually due to events/choices which lead to it. What you're saying seems to be "if that's the outcome then what's the point of choices which led to it, just make that outcome selectable right from the start". Which would be putting the cart before the horses, so to speak.

edit: i'm not sure if this survive the mods, but there's another game which builds the throuple (or Trinity as it calls it) between characters like this -- you start with regular exclusive relationship with either of potential throuple members, and the third becomes included eventually (and optionally) because the person you've picked for your partner develops feelings for that third person as well. And you get option to include them, or stay as just a pair. It makes for a coherent story that develops naturally, and it really wouldn't make much sense to go with your suggestion and cut all that out and just replace it with "just let one accept X or not". That choice "accept or not" is there but only after, things develop and MC has some time on their own with their selected partner, not out of a blue.

 

[Discrepancy]

I'm a bit confused here, don't want to quote anyone in particular because lots of people shared their thoughts about the throuple thing, I want to clarify mine.
My Edwin is fucking Hana, Mina and Felicia, did a threesome with Rose and Ian and fuck any house girl that he can. So does this mean he is on a throuple relationship with Mina and Hana? My vision is he isn't with a romantic relationship with anyone, he's fucking around. The relationship he has with the girls is more as friends that fuck around.
If someone decides to be fuck buddies with Mina and Hana and just fuck them and call it a throuple I see nothing wrong with it.
What I doubt it will happen is the three having a serious throuple relationship with no friction with all of them happy and with no jealousy or problems (this isn't even considering the fact that two on this relationship work on a whore-house).
My problem is that most people that ask for the throuple seems to want a guy with two girlfriends, and just not three people having casual sex, but sorry a guy with two girlfriends being seen as normal I don't know where that happens in the western world.
Will Edwin say to Victoria "Hey mom I want you to meet my two girlfriends!" I just find this not just unrealistic but trully incoherent considering the world, the characters and writing we have till now.

 

[ffive]

but sorry a guy with two girlfriends being seen as normal I don't know where that happens in the western world.

The guy with two girlfriends isn't seen as normal, but as enviable role model the other men would rather see dead out of envy.

 

[dolfe67]

but sorry a guy with two girlfriends being seen as normal I don't know where that happens in the western world.

Who said it's "normal"? Again, it's rare but

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. Like gay couples are not "normal" as they're not the norm.

Will Edwin say to Victoria "Hey mom I want you to meet my two girlfriends!" I just find this not just unrealistic but trully incoherent considering the world, the characters and writing we have till now.

Why not? Is her mom having done porn more "normal" or realistic? He can already hint at his mom that he's seeing multiple girls.

If your parents are old school you might not want to tell them you're in polyamorous throuple though.

 

[Idontplay]

Will Edwin say to Victoria "Hey mom I want you to meet my two girlfriends!" I just find this not just unrealistic but trully incoherent considering the world, the characters and writing we have till now.

That would be hilarious!
Edwin:«Hey mom, I want you to meet my two girlfriends!»
Victoria: «Your two what?»
E.: «My two girlfriends?»
V.: «And how you have meet them?»
E.: «I have meet Hana (you already know her) in the brothel in which I work…»
V.: «WHAAAAAT?»

 

[Vic Sage]

That would be hilarious!
Edwin:«Hey mom, I want you to meet my two girlfriends!»
Victoria: «You two what?»
E.: «My two girlfriends?»
V.: «And how you have meet them?»
E.: «I have meet Hana (you already know her) in the brothel in which I work…»
V.: «WHAAAAAT!»

E.: "And this is Mina. Ian's ex."