Patreon is the worst enemy of all adult game players

[Donjoe81]

The OP´s braindead comments aside, but I think it completely misses the point to just criticize sites like Patreon just because people get paid for doing their work.
I think there are lots of pros and cons to Patreon and other crowdfunding sites, but I dont think we would see nearly as many devs working on games without crowdfunding.
The problems I see is that there are Devs who just take the money, publish a bad game, abandon it or just don´t work on that game really, which is even worse when that person had some success in the past, which can also hurt good Devs.
I think crowdfunding can also hurt innovation, because certain Devs have their Fanboys who just support the same game for 6 or so years and if a game is successful then everybody just copies their stuff without trying to create something new.
TOS are also bullshit because I doubt anyone who plays a 18+ game with incest in it just magically wants to fuck his family members.
Still I think there are lots of Devs who are doing a great job and couldn´t finance their games without their community.

 

[Müptezel Emo]

The OP´s braindead comments aside, but I think it completely misses the point to just criticize sites like Patreon just because people get paid for doing their work.
I think there are lots of pros and cons to Patreon and other crowdfunding sites, but I dont think we would see nearly as many devs working on games without crowdfunding.
The problems I see is that there are Devs who just take the money, publish a bad game, abandon it or just don´t work on that game really, which is even worse when that person had some success in the past, which can also hurt good Devs.
I think crowdfunding can also hurt innovation, because certain Devs have their Fanboys who just support the same game for 6 or so years and if a game is successful then everybody just copies their stuff without trying to create something new.
TOS are also bullshit because I doubt anyone who plays a 18+ game with incest in it just magically wants to fuck his family members.
Still I think there are lots of Devs who are doing a great job and couldn´t finance their games without their community.

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[Monstrous Moonshine]

Average femdom fan

The clown energy is strong in this thread.

 

[Müptezel Emo]

The clown energy is strong in this thread.

Just delete these posts and it will magically gone.

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[lewdpudding]

We always have unfinished trashes

Most of the indie developers on Patreon don't even finish their projects, they should take them more seriously, like a job, because thanks to doing that they can earn money. But of course, since they are independent, they choose their hours and whether to continue or not... most of them end up giving it up as I already said, due to supposed "personal problems in their private life" which means that they basically don't care anymore and don't want to keep developing the game.

I wish "donationware" was something developers would take seriously. Since people give their money, not to encourage the developer, to receive something every month. Everyone knows that if you want to donate for "the love of art" you can do it through websites where you don't receive anything in return like PayPal... but Patreon, without a doubt, is a business where you give money to a person so that they can give you a content per month.

 

[Monstrous Moonshine]

Just delete these posts and it will magically gone.

I guess you're a tone-deaf clown then? Because the nigh unanimous consensus throughout this thread has been, and continues to be, the fact that you have no idea what you're going on about. So, my clueless ignoramus, if you are unwilling to even entertain the informed opinions of the majority, what even is the point of this thread? To play agony aunt for the disaffected, or to simply display your 'stunning intellect'? Honestly, I'd love to know.

 

[moskyx]

I wish "donationware" was something developers would take seriously. Since people give their money, not to encourage the developer, to receive something every month. Everyone knows that if you want to donate for "the love of art" you can do it through websites where you don't receive anything in return like PayPal... but Patreon, without a doubt, is a business where you give money to a person so that they can give you a content per month.

Oh, boy. No, it's not. Patreon is a business where you give money to a person so that they can give you what they promised to give you according to your tier. That's all you can actually demand from that dev. If a dev hasn't promised a monthly update for your tier, then it should be easy to understand that you're only paying that dev so that they can keep working on their game, or maybe because you liked their past efforts, or maybe just because you find that dev fun, or attractive, or whatever -so, indeed, Patreon is a place where you are actually donating for "the love of art". And Paypal is just a payment method that allows you to do that, like your credit card does. But if people fail to understand those very basic concepts, and have a completely wrong assumption of how all of this works, no wonder they keep open threads like this one, no wonder they keep getting scammed by dishonest devs, and no wonder they still believe they are getting scammed by totally honest devs.

 

[PropaJack]

It seems that many of you have missed the point. But what can one expect from you retarded sheep.

so can you explain it in a way a retarded sheep can understand?

 

[Wankyudo]

I guess you're a tone-deaf clown then? Because the nigh unanimous consensus throughout this thread has been, and continues to be, the fact that you have no idea what you're going on about. So, my clueless ignoramus, if you are unwilling to even entertain the informed opinions of the majority, what even is the point of this thread? To play agony aunt for the disaffected, or to simply display your 'stunning intellect'? Honestly, I'd love to know.

it's usually both of those reasonings with these threads. They are a dime a dozen where someone goes "All patreon devs are milkers and we need to be able to hold them accountable! We're giving them money, so we demand our game! We purchased a product and we're not getting one!" which then when people explain "well...no. you didn't purchase a product. you can say you did all you want, but you didn't" they'll handwave all arguments against them. Even though what they fail to understand is that if crowdfunding game development wasn't a thing, it wouldn't magically mean there's more finished games. It'd just mean nobody would even put forth their ideas or projects in the first place.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

Everyone knows that if you want to donate for "the love of art" you can do it through websites where you don't receive anything in return like PayPal... but Patreon, without a doubt, is a business where you give money to a person so that they can give you a content per month.

This might be the most delusional take on Patreon yet. That is "without a doubt" not what Patreon is or is supposed to be. Patreon is the virtual equivalent of a tip jar with OPTIONAL rewards depending on how much money you give. You'll notice that none of those rewards usually say "you'll get x amount of content in y amount of timeframe." Most devs don't even put out monthy updates or if they do they're tiny and shit. Patreon is not a fucking Netflix subscription.

 

[Clit Eastwood]

it's usually both of those reasonings with these threads. They are a dime a dozen where someone goes "All patreon devs are milkers and we need to be able to hold them accountable! We're giving them money, so we demand our game! We purchased a product and we're not getting one!" which then when people explain "well...no. you didn't purchase a product. you can say you did all you want, but you didn't" they'll handwave all arguments against them. Even though what they fail to understand is that if crowdfunding game development wasn't a thing, it wouldn't magically mean there's more finished games. It'd just mean nobody would even put forth their ideas or projects in the first place.

That's not what they're arguing, they're fed up with putting money into crowd funded games and ending up with incomplete rubbish in return, sure stopping crowd funding wouldn't magically make more finished games appear, but for all the games that do get completed and deserve the crowd funding, there are way too many that leave the paying crowd funders with an unfinished game that feels like a scam and in some cases probably were scams

It wouldn't mean nobody would even put forth their ideas or projects in the first place if not for crowd funding, it would just mean these game devs would need to go back to putting forth their ideas or projects to publishers who take the lions share of profits, instead of using crowd funders as a way to get a way better deal, or even no longer being able to using crowd funding as a means of scamming people online for devs who have done that

The reason these threads exist is because crowd funded H games have created problems that leave people out of pocket just so that a few can get an easier start
I think it would be a better option to leave the decisions of whether or not games can be completed and can be profitable to the H game publishers instead of these poor crowd funders, who keep having to pay for unfinished games and even getting scammed at times considering what has happened since crowd funded games started up

Old thread IKR, but if the other option is to start up yet another Patreon scam thread, which is worse?

 

[morphnet]

Old thread IKR, but if the other option is to start up yet another Patreon scam thread, which is worse?

It's bad enough necroing a 2 years old thread but to necro it with comments lacking facts or any understanding is worse.
If you're that bored there are a lot of active off-topic threads you can jump into.

 

[Clit Eastwood]

It's bad enough necroing a 2 years old thread but to necro it with comments lacking facts or any understanding is worse.
If you're that bored there are a lot of active off-topic threads you can jump into.

Care to elaborate? where are the active off-topic threads about crowd funded games? I think there were plenty of facts in what I said, why do you think what I said is so uninformed?

 

[morphnet]

Care to elaborate?

they're fed up with putting money into crowd funded games

If people have access to the internet, they have access to information. If they don't / won't educate themselves on what patreon is and how it's used that's on them

putting forth their ideas or projects to publishers

Which publishers are those exactly? Also do you know how publishers work?

instead of using crowd funders

Again, not understanding what patreon is or how it works

The reason these threads exist is because crowd funded H games have created problems that leave people out of pocket just so that a few can get an easier start

The reason these threads exist is because people don't / won't educate themselves and reply on second hand information from others who themselves don't / won't educate themselves and spread misinformation. Sometimes these even reach the level of appearing to be disinformation.

decisions of whether or not games can be completed and can be profitable to the H game publishers instead of these poor crowd funders

One and again, which publishers exactly? Two, "poor crowd funders"? Grown adults who are in complete control over what they do with their own money and "should" have the ability to decide how to spend it?

who keep having to pay for unfinished games

See above responses.

Patreon scam thread

Does patreon offer tools / functions and avenues to follow to help combat and / or resolve issues like this? Are members / patreons able at ANY time to cancel or limit subscriptions?

Crying victim when using a voluntary, fully controllable subscription service to support a developer and doing it on a PIRATE SITE is ridiculous.

 

[anne O'nymous]

That's not what they're arguing, they're fed up with putting money into crowd funded games [...]

Well, it don't really starts well since Patreon is not a crowd funding platform, but a sponsoring service.
Despite the result being the same (the dev earn the money to fund his game), the intent is different. Firstly, you know what you'll get right from the starts because, even if incomplete, the game is already released. Secondly, you can step out of the funding at anytime. Thirdly, you're expected to pledge because you think that the dev deserve a bit of support, not because you absolutely want the game to exist.

[...] there are way too many that leave the paying crowd funders with an unfinished game that feels like a scam and in some cases probably were scams

Talking about scam for sponsor funded games is ridiculous. Peoples can jump in, and jump out, of the pledge at anytime, therefore if they pledge, it's because they do not consider this as a scam. Whatever your own opinion is then nothing that your own opinion and have absolutely no value outside of your own mind.

It wouldn't mean nobody would even put forth their ideas or projects in the first place if not for crowd funding, it would just mean these game devs would need to go back to putting forth their ideas or projects to publishers who take the lions share of profits, [...]

No, it would actually mean that near to nobody would make games.
A vast majority of the devs, even those who make top quality games, do not see this as something else than a hobby. They have a story, more or less what it need to make it come true, and therefore are making a game they'll share with the community. While they'll not complain if they earn more, the first and main intent of the pledges they ask for is to cover their cost; and for most games, they aren't even covered.
This imply that none of them would have the idea to search a publisher for their game. Publisher that anyway would ask for a full game before it decide to intervene.

Old thread IKR, but if the other option is to start up yet another Patreon scam thread, which is worse?

Both are stupid ideas since both are nothing else than "let me insult peoples who pledge for games that I personally dislike" threads.

If you're a selfish poor greedy jerk, it's your problem. Please, do not project it on peoples who think that a dev deserve up to 5 bucks/month for the efforts he put on his game.

 

[Dryme]

Yes, Patreon became evil when he banned incest and rape. the two pillars of the universe on which every normal porn game should be built.

 

[Dryme]

We will never see a daughter and mother polishing the same lollipop in Eternum....

 

[Clit Eastwood]

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You deliberately took what I said out of context repeatedly, this is beyond stupid

Care to elaborate?

they're fed up with putting money into crowd funded games

If people have access to the internet, they have access to information. If they don't / won't educate themselves on what patreon is and how it's used that's on them

"Yes, Patreon is a form of crowdfunding, specifically a subscription-based platform where creators can monetize their work by allowing fans to pledge monthly support in exchange for exclusive content or perks "

Yes I have access to the internet, there's your answer - Patreon is a form of crowdfunding

putting forth their ideas or projects to publishers

Which publishers are those exactly? Also do you know how publishers work?

Look them up your self! what am I? your own personal directory service? There are at least a fair few, and besides that any lacking of available publishers can easily be explained by a lack of need for them, they're all to busy getting a way better deal from crowd funding, particularly the ones who can't even finish their games

To my knowledge Game publishers will not fund a project without the development team first making a demo to show that they have the experience and skill to complete the game.
I repeat - to show that they have the experience and skill to complete the game.

instead of using crowd funders

Again, not understanding what patreon is or how it works

Taking sound bites and answering them like that is pointless.
If I don't understand then explain it to me, instead just repeatedly telling me I'm wrong, you're not helping anything and maybe you just aren't capable to begin with...

The reason these threads exist is because crowd funded H games have created problems that leave people out of pocket just so that a few can get an easier start

The reason these threads exist is because people don't / won't educate themselves and reply on second hand information from others who themselves don't / won't educate themselves and spread misinformation. Sometimes these even reach the level of appearing to be disinformation.

People are fed up with too many incomplete games and games that turn into outright scams

decisions of whether or not games can be completed and can be profitable to the H game publishers instead of these poor crowd funders

One and again, which publishers exactly? Two, "poor crowd funders"? Grown adults who are in complete control over what they do with their own money and "should" have the ability to decide how to spend it?

Look them up your self! what am I? your own personal directory service? There are at least a fair few, and besides that any lacking of available publishers can easily be explained by a lack of need for them, they're all to busy getting a way better deal from crowd funding, particularly the ones who can't even finish their games

People can do what ever they want with their money, I never said anything about that? WTF?
Burn it for all I care lol

who keep having to pay for unfinished games

See above responses.

Yes indeed! see above responses

Patreon scam thread

Does patreon offer tools / functions and avenues to follow to help combat and / or resolve issues like this? Are members / patreons able at ANY time to cancel or limit subscriptions?

Crying victim when using a voluntary, fully controllable subscription service to support a developer and doing it on a PIRATE SITE is ridiculous.

Who's crying victim? I'm not a victim, I've never subbed to Patreon, the discussion I made was about the amount of incomplete games, other games that are legit scams and that it should be stopped
All I said was that I didn't want to start another Patreon scam thread, so you misquote me with a 3 word soundbite to make it sound like something else and follow that up by parroting some shit that has been said on this site probably hundreds of times before because you think it sounds great lol

 

[Clit Eastwood]

Well, it don't really starts well since Patreon is not a crowd funding platform, but a sponsoring service.
Despite the result being the same (the dev earn the money to fund his game), the intent is different. Firstly, you know what you'll get right from the starts because, even if incomplete, the game is already released. Secondly, you can step out of the funding at anytime. Thirdly, you're expected to pledge because you think that the dev deserve a bit of support, not because you absolutely want the game to exist.




Talking about scam for sponsor funded games is ridiculous. Peoples can jump in, and jump out, of the pledge at anytime, therefore if they pledge, it's because they do not consider this as a scam. Whatever your own opinion is then nothing that your own opinion and have absolutely no value outside of your own mind.




No, it would actually mean that near to nobody would make games.
A vast majority of the devs, even those who make top quality games, do not see this as something else than a hobby. They have a story, more or less what it need to make it come true, and therefore are making a game they'll share with the community. While they'll not complain if they earn more, the first and main intent of the pledges they ask for is to cover their cost; and for most games, they aren't even covered.
This imply that none of them would have the idea to search a publisher for their game. Publisher that anyway would ask for a full game before it decide to intervene.




Both are stupid ideas since both are nothing else than "let me insult peoples who pledge for games that I personally dislike" threads.

If you're a selfish poor greedy jerk, it's your problem. Please, do not project it on peoples who think that a dev deserve up to 5 bucks/month for the efforts he put on his game.

Despite the fact that I was open to intelligent responses and will happily accept if I'm wrong, I can see clearly now that nobody has an answer as to why what I see only ever looks like a bad deal overall for Patreon H gamers

 

[Count Morado]

Despite the fact that I was open to intelligent responses and will happily accept if I'm wrong, I can see clearly now that nobody has an answer as to why what I see only ever looks like a bad deal overall for Patreon H gamers

Patreon is not for gamers.
Never was.
Never will be.

At Patreon, our mission is to empower creators to live off their art by providing them with the tools and support they need to connect with their fans and build a sustainable income.

The end.

For game developers, it allows them a little income to pay for bills while they develop. Instead of either having to work for an established publisher who has a bankroll from years of business or seeking big $$$$ investors to pay the bills while they develop.

And the fact remains, even then, the average adult game developer on Patreon brings in about $100 USD per month. Only a small percentage make enough to do this as a full-time job while living in places like Western Europe, USA, Australia, Canada, Japan, etc...

If people want a completed game... They should buy completed games.

If they want to take a chance by supporting a developer whose content and ideas they like, while the developer attempts to add more or even change content or games... They can do that through platforms like Patreon.

But every person subscribing on Patreon should remember that they do so voluntarily and they should not expect a finished product nor a product they will eventually like.

This isn't rocket science and it's not even crowd funding. It's a recurring tip jar and in exchange for those tips, creators have tier benefits - which are explained on what subscribers should expect. If a developer doesn't fulfill those tier benefits, people should either ask them where the bennies are or stop subscribing.

Like others have stated... Subscribers are adults and have the right to do with their money as they see fit. Patreon is not a scam and it is very clear from the start what it is, what people should expect, and it has a system in place when there are times a subscriber who is an adult thinks they aren't getting what they subscribed for.