Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

Can you give some examples that can support your point?

So many movies, comics, games, books that all support his point. Arguably, even the bible with Job - Satan in Heaven convincing God to test Job's faith.
It's almost always the antagonist's actions that lead to the protagonists having to react to what the antagonist has instigated.

Exactly. This is such a widely known concept but it's still worth discussing.

I would add that an antagonist doesn't always have to be a villain, and sometimes they don't even have to be a character, but at a minimum they represent a conflict/challenge for the protagonist ("hero") to overcome. Without conflict, there's not much for the hero to do, so there isn't really a "story".

 

[Mr. Chatty]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. Still I will watch some of the stated references and get back here as soon as possible. I just watched first episode of the "chainsaw man" but I didn't find any similarities between that and this vn, so far I didn't notice anything in it that supports the point that protagonists only react when shit have hit the fan, axcept of course at the start of every story like how John wick reacted to his dog being killed by the mobs. But in that sense hunter threatening the mc that he will destroy his household at the start should be enough for the mc to react to it like how John wick reacted, jw just traced the culprit and killed him cold-blooded. But that's not what I want the mc to do, I just want him to be more engaged about getting rid of hunter without letting him know and not just kill him or chop his leg off or make any other stupid move. I think that's the misunderstanding.

 

[dartred]

But in that sense hunter threatening the mc that he will destroy his household at the start should be enough for the mc to react to it like how John wick reacted, jw just traced the culprit and killed him cold-blooded. But that's not what I want the mc to do, I just want him to be more engaged about getting rid of hunter without letting him know and not just kill him or chop his leg off or make any other stupid move. I think that's the misunderstanding.

Hunter warned him NOT to make any moves. It was one of his earliest threats. If Sterling made any moves, he will kick the entire family out of the house and they would live in the streets. That's why Sterling isn't making any moves, not because he is scared or doesn't know what to do, but because if he does anything, his family will pay for it.

That's why he reacts to Hunters attempts instead of pre-emptive blocking. Sure, I'm surprised Hunter hasn't actually called him out on Sterling cock blocking him or taken actions to punish Sterling. In a way, he's going against what Hunter told him to do, but that's not here nor there.

As for the engaged to get rid of Hunter. He is putting the evidence together to beat him once and for all. Like the diary, the drugs he found with Tiff and all the injuries like the tooth Brenna knocked out. Once he has enough undeniable proof that Hunter is evil, that's when he'll act instead of react.

On that same note, i hope there is like a phoenix right stand off when it's time to present the evidence. Present it right and you incriminate Hunter. Though for PV, present the case wrong or fail to convince the girls leads to a bad end. Like Hunter flips all the allegations onto Sterling.

 

[dartred]

On another note. My Dream Scene of Amber and her dad won. Can't wait to see it. It was close. I only won by 1 vote.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I think there's a misunderstanding here. Still I will watch some of the stated references and get back here as soon as possible. I just watched first episode of the "chainsaw man" but I didn't find any similarities between that and this vn, so far I didn't notice anything in it that supports the point that protagonists only react when shit have hit the fan, axcept of course at the start of every story like how John wick reacted to his dog being killed by the mobs. But in that sense hunter threatening the mc that he will destroy his household at the start should be enough for the mc to react to it like how John wick reacted, jw just traced the culprit and killed him cold-blooded. But that's not what I want the mc to do, I just want him to be more engaged about getting rid of hunter without letting him know and not just kill him or chop his leg off or make any other stupid move. I think that's the misunderstanding.

It's not like Sterling is doing nothing, but he is playing defense. This is because he's not ready or able to make more proactive moves against Hunter. Think less action-flick and more spy-thriller.

Regardless of what we think we would do in Sterling's situation, we wouldn't want Sterling to take Hunter out too soon, because Hunter's actions have actually helped Sterling get all the girls. But I'm thinking Hunter will get his comeuppance sooner or later, whether at Sterling's hands or some other way.

 

[OEJ]

Now that thats cleared up, i have a few pointers about what to do when you dont like a game or a specific kink in it:

1. Delete the game from your PC and dont download the future updates.
2. Use that ignore thread function provided by the site.

What not to do:
1. Dont go to that thread and bitch about it and cause inconvenience to the regulars there.

Haight i will not thread ban you but if you repeat it then we will have to.

Some of you might have lost your posts which are not offtopic but let's start from where you guys left off before stupidity took hold of this thread

P.S: for anyone who wanna complain or cry about something just use off-topic section, Thanks .

 

[Ziz98]

Now that thats cleared up, i have a few pointers about what to do when you dont like a game or a specific kink in it:

1. Delete the game from your PC and dont download the future updates.
2. Use that ignore thread function provided by the site.

What not to do:
1. Dont go to that thread and bitch about it and cause inconvenience to the regulars there.

Haight i will not thread ban you but if you repeat it then we will have to.

Some of you might have lost your posts which are not offtopic but let's start from where you guys left off before stupidity took hold of this thread

P.S: for anyone who wanna complain or cry about something just use off-topic section, Thanks .

 

[Negan22]

 

[kingsam]

When will we next update expected?

 

[dartred]

Some time in October to December is what we are guessing.

 

[kingsam]

Some time in October to December is what we are guessing.

oh tx 4 info

 

[john984]

Added the new wallpaper here

 

[Rabbit6605]

HUNTER is on the prowl. He's going to make it a SLOW PICNIC..

 

[Rabbit6605]

true and sad dev put too much huntr

Love all the HUNTER scenes, Need more.

 

[Dmob_6438]

Hunter warned him NOT to make any moves. It was one of his earliest threats. If Sterling made any moves, he will kick the entire family out of the house and they would live in the streets. That's why Sterling isn't making any moves, not because he is scared or doesn't know what to do, but because if he does anything, his family will pay for it.

That's why he reacts to Hunters attempts instead of pre-emptive blocking. Sure, I'm surprised Hunter hasn't actually called him out on Sterling cock blocking him or taken actions to punish Sterling. In a way, he's going against what Hunter told him to do, but that's not here nor there.

As for the engaged to get rid of Hunter. He is putting the evidence together to beat him once and for all. Like the diary, the drugs he found with Tiff and all the injuries like the tooth Brenna knocked out. Once he has enough undeniable proof that Hunter is evil, that's when he'll act instead of react.

On that same note, i hope there is like a phoenix right stand off when it's time to present the evidence. Present it right and you incriminate Hunter. Though for PV, present the case wrong or fail to convince the girls leads to a bad end. Like Hunter flips all the allegations onto Sterling.

Ok I haven’t been on here yesterday so I want to say that once sterling shows the family proof of him being evil, I feel like Hunter will be smart and try to spin it around on sterling, saying he’s the one who’s plan on getting with the girls and being evil and etc.

 

[Mr. Chatty]

Or the bag wasn't there when Sterling checked Hunter's room. The surprise wasn't "how didn't I check" but "how did Hunter slip up like that".

This is an "or" that you thought about on this thread but it wasn't ever shown in the game. Sterling didn't even said that "I looked for them but didn't find them" or that " i didn't thought hunter would be so dumb to hide his drug stash under a bed", he even put them into a vault which again adds to the fact that he didn't find those before (because he didn't tried) otherwise he would have taken action and that, it was something important. So your statement doesn't hold any ground.

You seem to forget that Hunter holds all the cards. The moment Sterling takes a direct action, Hunter pulls the plug. Sterling is forced to remain under the radar.

Hunter warned him NOT to make any moves. It was one of his earliest threats. If Sterling made any moves, he will kick the entire family out of the house and they would live in the streets. That's why Sterling isn't making any moves, not because he is scared or doesn't know what to do, but because if he does anything, his family will pay for it.

You are forgetting the dynamics of blackmailing, the blackmailer always say to not do anything stupid but for the one who is getting blackmailed "stupid" would be to just give in to the blackmailer or do something so drastic that it comes in sight of the blackmailer. Sterling don't know, because his character is made like that as I've already said but you should know by now that even if sterling push it a little bit, hunter can't just leave his dream just to show sterling the consequences of his actions that is stopping the flow because that would be mutual damage, because Hunter will not be able to get the household either. Also hunter can't get rid of sterling straight up without making up some shit like the bear one or the sterling feminization one because he is loved by the household. By keeping this in mind there are endless possibilities to give some scenes where sterling is actually doing something to get rid of hunter which would have been fun for the vanilla fans to watch.

That's why he reacts to Hunters attempts instead of pre-emptive blocking. Sure, I'm surprised Hunter hasn't actually called him out on Sterling cock blocking him or taken actions to punish Sterling. In a way, he's going against what Hunter told him to do, but that's not here nor there.

I am not suggesting that sterling do something that blocks hunter entirely from approaching the girls but a story where Sterling is shown doing something that will have a weakening effect on hunter in the far future or something that sterling thinks will weaken hunter in near future but somehow he turns out to be wrong like replacing hunters drugs with something weak or entirely useless like he did in one of the Ophelia bad ends. Another way to look at it would be that sterling is shown making himself financially strong instead of relying entirely on Brenna or other LIs like Catherine and Ophelia are foreshadowed to be financially helpful in future releases.
These little actions can make sterling a little likeable which he isn't so much at the moment.

+ Question: if he wasn't allowed to make a move why he told tiff to say to hunter that "I confiscated the drugs" if he asks and then put them into a vault?

 

[SuddenReal]

You are forgetting the dynamics of blackmailing

The blackmail came later. Hunter holds all the cards since he's the one paying the morgage. If Sterling gets rid of Hunter, they lose the house, hence the plan to make money. If Sterling was the one making money, Hunter could have easily gotten rid of him because Sterling was still a newcomer at that point, so he had to convince Brenna to make the money.
Now they're in a position of blackmail, since Sterling underestimated Hunter and didn't anticipate camera's. And Sterling can't get rid of them since he still doesn't have a contingency for when Hunter's financial aid disappears.

but you should know by now that even if sterling push it a little bit, hunter can't just leave his dream just to show sterling the consequences of his actions that is stopping the flow because that would be mutual damage.

And if Sterling does something over against Hunter, Hunter has proof that Sterling is "up to no good", but Sterling has nothing on Hunter. So there would be no mutual damage.

Also hunter can't get rid of sterling straight up without making up some shit like the bear one or the sterling feminization one because he is loved by the household.

Not anymore since all those "non-actions" you're complaining about made Sterling loved by the household. At the start, he was an outsider and no one would have questioned it if he had left again.

but a story where Sterling is shown doing something that will have a weakening effect on hunter in the far future or something that sterling thinks will weaken hunter in near future

Like getting Brenna to make money so they don't need to rely on Hunter for paying the morgage? Or getting closer to his family so he can't be removed so easily?

+ Question: if he wasn't allowed to make a move why he told tiff to say to hunter that "I confiscated the drugs" if he asks and then put them into a vault?

Because Sterling is playing mindgames. If Sterling told Tiff not to say anything, Hunter would have suspected Sterling and started looking into what he was up to and perhaps uncover just what Sterling was up to (Hunter doesn't know about his alliance with Lucia for instance). But if Hunter knows that Sterling has the drugs there's no need for that, since he already knows Sterling is trying to stop him. Basically, it's easier to be dishonest if you're being honest.

 

[dartred]

I love all scenes equally. Need more of every scene.

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[Mr. Chatty]

Hunter holds all the cards since he's the one paying the morgage.

And if Sterling does something over against Hunter, Hunter has proof that Sterling is "up to no good", but Sterling has nothing on Hunter. So there would be no mutual damage.

But if Hunter knows that Sterling has the drugs there's no need for that, since he already knows Sterling is trying to stop him.

Can anyone make sense of this for me?
Or did you meant this?

if sterling push it a little bit, hunter wouldn't just leave his dream that easily just to show sterling the consequences of his actions that is stopping the flow because that would be mutual damage, because Hunter will not be able to get the household either.

If Sterling was the one making money, Hunter could have easily gotten rid of him because Sterling was still a newcomer at that point, so he had to convince Brenna to make the money.

We are living in 2023, sterling didn't have to especially do anything physical that is easy to notice, he very much could have worked on a PC. And it's just a story if Dev wants it anything is possible. Anyway, good thing he is helping Brenna and rightfully getting half of her earning. Also it was just an example of things that could have been shown on Sterling's part but I personally don't have any major issue with this one.

Not anymore since all those "non-actions" you're complaining about made Sterling loved by the household. At the start, he was an outsider and no one would have questioned it if he had left again.

Not the "non-actions" but the actions that sterling did to get their trust and affection and I have to give it to wwg he really outdid in this aspect. I wasn't complaining, just stating my perspective.

Sterling would have done things without hunter noticing in earlier chapters because even in the real world their is this saying "you are innocent until you get caught".

Still it would not have been questionable if sterling did something outside of badends that hunter noticed and didn't got rid of him for that, maybe a warning or two.

Really it's shown in current game that hunter was fed up of sterling Meddling with his affairs that he has to get rid of him, meddling that was during badends and not from main story.

Like getting Brenna to make money so they don't need to rely on Hunter for paying the morgage? Or getting closer to his family so he can't be removed so easily?

I have already mentioned these are helping but I am saying something more than that would have been appreciated by many and that wouldn't need that many renders or story writing certainly not more than the story, renders and 2 animations that were wasted on making "games" in this game especially in the "DnD game" But it would have been majorly appreciated by the fan base at the moment he is not liked by many and hated by some. Even so far in the game sterling is only physically appealing but not so much has changed on the mental department.

Again I am not complaining or demanding something. Just stating my perspective that if wwg have implemented this their would be more praise and less debate on this thread unless it was intentional for some other reason.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Can anyone make sense of this for me?
Or did you meant this?


We are living in 2023, sterling didn't have to especially do anything physical that is easy to notice, he very much could have worked on a PC. And it's just a story if Dev wants it anything is possible. Anyway, good thing he is helping Brenna and rightfully getting half of her earning. Also it was just an example of things that could have been shown on Sterling's part but I personally don't have any major issue with this one.

Not the "non-actions" but the actions that sterling did to get their trust and affection and I have to give it to wwg he really outdid in this aspect. I wasn't complaining, just stating my perspective.

Sterling would have done things without hunter noticing in earlier chapters because even in the real world their is this saying "you are innocent until you get caught".

Still it would not have been questionable if sterling did something outside of badends that hunter noticed and didn't got rid of him for that, maybe a warning or two.

Really it's shown in current game that hunter was fed up of sterling Meddling with his affairs that he has to get rid of him, meddling that was during badends and not from main story.


I have already mentioned these are helping but I am saying something more than that would have been appreciated by many and that wouldn't need that many renders or story writing certainly not more than the story, renders and 2 animations that were wasted on making "games" in this game especially in the "DnD game" But it would have been majorly appreciated by the fan base at the moment he is not liked by many and hated by some. Even so far in the game sterling is only physically appealing but not so much has changed on the mental department.

Again I am not complaining or demanding something. Just stating my perspective that if wwg have implemented this their would be more praise and less debate on this thread unless it was intentional for some other reason.

I've been trying to follow this fragmented conversation, but I just want to point out a few things:

First, Sterling is only 19 and very inexperienced; he worked a night job through high school and that's it. He doesn't yet have the skills or knowledge to easily take care of the family and outwit Hunter at everything.

Second, this is a story, which means the characters have to struggle and learn/grow before they can solve their problems. We all know Frodo could've probably flown the One Ring straight to Mt. Doom on a giant eagle, but that'd be a pretty boring story. Just jet it play out, I'm sure Sterling will defeat Hunter in the end.

In fact, if Hunter was removed too quickly, Sterling would likely never have built his harem in the first place.