jmcronshaw

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That's a possibility. Brenna does have trust issues, but on the other hand I don't think she's that possessive of Sterling. She has other partners, and she knows Sterling has other partners.

Perhaps it's something about Ophelia specifically. Brenna herself has shown some lustful interest in Ophelia, maybe she's just jealous?
I think it may also just be a question of age.
Ophelia has learned over the years how to better control her temper while Brenna is still quite young and just can't keep herself from letting her rage out physically.
 
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I have to point out that it is not uncommon for antagonists be the action and protagonists to react
Can you give some examples that can support your point?

MC has so much more stuff on his plate than Hunter with all of the side characters that even if Hunter is acting lots in the house MC is doing lots of other stuff too in addition to reacting to Hunter.
Can you point out the stuff other than him trying to get into the females pants?
 
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Can you give some examples that can support your point?
Thanos come to Earth to get the infinte stones and the heros have to fight back Infinity War
Harry Potter have to seek for the horcruxes to defeat Voldermont once he accomplish to come back
Loki try conquer Earth and make the heros form The Avengers in the first Avengers movie
Rocky Balboa fighting Ivan Drago to revenge Apollo Creed's death.
Luke Skywalker going to fight Dath Vader to help his captured friends in Empire Strike Back
John Wick killing everyone because they killed his dog
 
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Can you give some examples that can support your point?
Sure, EVERY make believe story or fantasy EVER. The hero of the stories never go to the demon king, villain, antagonist before they've done anything wrong. Bad guys exist, because they must do wrong first and the hero is then created to counter him. The hero is never made first, otherwise if a hero kills a villain before the villain commits a crime, then the hero is really the bad guy.

I showed you examples, because it's all that exist. YOU show ME an example where the hero of the story defeated the villain before the villain commits crimes.
 

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Can you give some examples that can support your point?
most super hero stories are the superheros reacting to what a super villain does, for example, batman almost never seeks the joker out unless he suspects him of a crime, superman never goes looking in space for evil aliens.
Recent example, 'everything everywhere all at once', its plot only starts because the main antagonist starts taking action, and most of the movie is just the main character reacting to other characters until the end.
 

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minority report... technically :ROFLMAO:
Is that the movie where they see what crimes they might do in the future? Even then, doesn't it end with the machine being wrong in that the crimes might not happen and they were arresting innocent people and they did away with the machine? Might be another movie I'm thinking of.
 

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Is that the movie where they see what crimes they might do in the future? Even then, doesn't it end with the machine being wrong in that the crimes might not happen and they were arresting innocent people and they did away with the machine? Might be another movie I'm thinking of.
I havent actually seen the plot all i know is that they arrest people before they commit a crime
 

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yeah, looked up a summary. it's the movie I'm thinking of, but it used Psychics instead of a machine to predict the future crimes.
 
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minority report... technically :ROFLMAO:
Is that the movie where they see what crimes they might do in the future? Even then, doesn't it end with the machine being wrong in that the crimes might not happen and they were arresting innocent people and they did away with the machine? Might be another movie I'm thinking of.
Not quitely. In fact, the villain of the movie take advantage of a sub-effect of the precog's abillities to kill someone and when the protagonist Tom Cruise start inveastigate it, the villain manipulate some events to make the precogs predict the protagonist will kill someone, and because of that Tom Cruise has to run away to prove his innocence. So, even there the protagonist react to the villain pulling the strings
 

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Been a while since i seen the movie, but that just helps our claim that the Hero's aren't taking action's before the villains act first.
 

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Can you give some examples that can support your point?
So many movies, comics, games, books that all support his point. Arguably, even the bible with Job - Satan in Heaven convincing God to test Job's faith.
It's almost always the antagonist's actions that lead to the protagonists having to react to what the antagonist has instigated.
Exactly. This is such a widely known concept but it's still worth discussing.

I would add that an antagonist doesn't always have to be a villain, and sometimes they don't even have to be a character, but at a minimum they represent a conflict/challenge for the protagonist ("hero") to overcome. Without conflict, there's not much for the hero to do, so there isn't really a "story".
 
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I think there's a misunderstanding here. Still I will watch some of the stated references and get back here as soon as possible. I just watched first episode of the "chainsaw man" but I didn't find any similarities between that and this vn, so far I didn't notice anything in it that supports the point that protagonists only react when shit have hit the fan, axcept of course at the start of every story like how John wick reacted to his dog being killed by the mobs. But in that sense hunter threatening the mc that he will destroy his household at the start should be enough for the mc to react to it like how John wick reacted, jw just traced the culprit and killed him cold-blooded. But that's not what I want the mc to do, I just want him to be more engaged about getting rid of hunter without letting him know and not just kill him or chop his leg off or make any other stupid move. I think that's the misunderstanding.
 

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But in that sense hunter threatening the mc that he will destroy his household at the start should be enough for the mc to react to it like how John wick reacted, jw just traced the culprit and killed him cold-blooded. But that's not what I want the mc to do, I just want him to be more engaged about getting rid of hunter without letting him know and not just kill him or chop his leg off or make any other stupid move. I think that's the misunderstanding.
Hunter warned him NOT to make any moves. It was one of his earliest threats. If Sterling made any moves, he will kick the entire family out of the house and they would live in the streets. That's why Sterling isn't making any moves, not because he is scared or doesn't know what to do, but because if he does anything, his family will pay for it.

That's why he reacts to Hunters attempts instead of pre-emptive blocking. Sure, I'm surprised Hunter hasn't actually called him out on Sterling cock blocking him or taken actions to punish Sterling. In a way, he's going against what Hunter told him to do, but that's not here nor there.

As for the engaged to get rid of Hunter. He is putting the evidence together to beat him once and for all. Like the diary, the drugs he found with Tiff and all the injuries like the tooth Brenna knocked out. Once he has enough undeniable proof that Hunter is evil, that's when he'll act instead of react.

On that same note, i hope there is like a phoenix right stand off when it's time to present the evidence. Present it right and you incriminate Hunter. Though for PV, present the case wrong or fail to convince the girls leads to a bad end. Like Hunter flips all the allegations onto Sterling.
 
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