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Where are we on the Dev cycle? is it "chapter 12" next or another "What if?"
He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.
 
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He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.
that's a shame, I think I prefer the "What Ifs"... has he stopped completely or just taking a break from them?
 

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On that same argument, NTR scenes should not be as long as a Vanilla scene. Are you saying Hunters 1 scene per update should be the length of one of Sterling's scenes? I get a person who hates NTR will say yes, but let's be fair here. It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene.
I'm just saying about quality, how you clearly avoided my take on Sterling vs Hunter's first time pussy fucking Ophelia, can be taken into account, again if you're talking about fair, you shouldn't collate data points showing how many scenes the NTR has v/s vanilla, you should have data in regarding render and animation count, which will show the real picture.

To the last sentence. We also can't do the reverse. We can't make each Sterling scene as long as a Hunter scene. Who knows how much that would add to development time. I would suggest maybe a middle ground, where 1 or 2 scenes of Sterling could be longer, but then you'd have an argument of vanilla fans debating which girl deserves that extended scene.
Thank you acknowledging here, that Hunter's scenes are longer in a way than Sterling's. It's obvious who gets the extended scene in vanilla case, it's Ophelia, since she was banged recently by Sterling, to balance the sex count out with other women in the house. Again, it's just my perspective here, since I see that you've also posted all your What-If/dream scenes story tells on Ophelia, since she is a main MILF and is hot.
 
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I'm just saying about quality, how you clearly avoided my take on Sterling vs Hunter's first time pussy fucking Ophelia, can be taken into account, again if you're talking about fair, you shouldn't collate data points showing how many scenes the NTR has v/s vanilla, you should have data in regarding render and animation count, which will show the real picture.


Thank you acknowledging here, that Hunter's scenes are longer in a way than Sterling's. It's obvious who gets the extended scene in vanilla case, it's Ophelia, since she was banged recently by Sterling, to balance the sex count out with other women in the house. Again, it's just my perspective here, since I see that you've also posted all your What-If/dream scenes story tells on Ophelia, since she is a main MILF and is hot.
How am i avoiding talking about that exact topic when just 1 page back i acknowledged which one i thought was better? In case you don't want to click, IMO it was Sterling whose scene i enjoyed more and that's coming from a guy who likes NTR https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11687107

This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are subjective. Length doesn't = better.

there's that goalpost movement BIG time. First was an argument that it was an NTR game / NTR was the focus. So i made a list of all the erotic scenes and vanilla had WAY more scenes overall.

then how many times there was vanilla vs NTR penetration and NTR was only 18% of the penetration.

Now you want me to count how many animations there are in vanilla vs NTR? Once i prove that vanilla has more animations then NTR, what's next? How many times Sterling or Hunter verbally mentioned they wanted to fuck someone?

and you already started proving my point. You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you.
 
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How am i avoiding talking about that exact topic when just 1 page back i acknowledged which one i thought was better? In case you don't want to click, IMO it was Sterling whose scene i enjoyed more and that's coming from a guy who likes NTR https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11687107

This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better.

there's that goalpost movement BIG time. First was an argument that it was an NTR game / NTR was the focus. So i made a list of all the erotic scenes and vanilla had WAY more scenes overall.

then how many times there was vanilla vs NTR penetration and NTR was only 18% of the penetration.

Now you want me to count how many animations there are in vanilla vs NTR? Once i prove that vanilla has more animations then NTR, what's next? How many times Sterling or Hunter verbally mentioned they wanted to fuck someone?

and you already started proving my point. You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you.
You're saying: "You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you." which I completely agree on and others can their choices, I'm not forcing them to like what I like.

I saw your message in the previous page for sure, I disagree with that, again it comes down to choices.. Again when you say this statement, "
This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better." You're contradicting yourself when you replied to my earlier messages by saying this " It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. "

Again not to call you out... when you said NTR is just 10% or less. I agree with you on that front sure, since you graciously provided the data... Again if you would've read my argument it stated about quantity of renders/animations of Vanilla vs NTR.. I'm saying that's not 10% or less. I'm just asking simple questions, you're disagreeing because you simply can.

Also when you say this: "It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. " I want to point out that vanilla fans wait for the whole year too, we don't have what-if/dream scenes of vanilla version winning, it's always NTR.. I know what if/dream scenes are made as thanks to patreons but seeing who wins most of them you shouldn't say that you almost wait a year.. because even if whatifs/dream scenes are skipped for 1-2 months, you will at least have 4-5 whatifs/dream scenes till development is completed for main game.

Just don't defend something head-on. that's all I ask. Hopefully, WWG reads this message and this one: https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11689631
 
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I just want to point out that i wrote objective in that last statement on accident. I meant subjective like i said in every other post.

Anyways, here's your animations count.

There are 902 total animations in PV
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There are a total of 186 NTR animations (including cerberus). I also want to point out NTR only takes up 258MB of a total of 1.62GB of space for total animations. That's almost 1.3+GB of vanilla animations
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total runtime of every animation in the game is 57 and a half minutes
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NTR animation runtime is 9 and half minutes
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This means NTR animations is only 16.5% of the total runtime of all the animations in the game.

I just don't know how it can be anymore clear. NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful.
 

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I'll never understand the thought process of supporting a game that you feel is not putting full effort towards the content you prefer and proceed to complain about it for multiple pages on how WWG should make the game they want instead of his own.
If it bothers them to that extent then you're better off to follow another game without any NTR in it, there's plenty on this site.
 

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I have loads of respect for you dartred. My mouse clicked the iggy button a long time ago and you gracefully continue to reply to that person.
 

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I don't ignore people because I have to be there to stop the spread of misinformation that scare people away. Imagine if all the "This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" people went unchecked. It would scare off a lot of potential new players. I can't see people posting lies if i put them on the ignore list.
 

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I just want to point out that i wrote objective in that last statement on accident. I meant subjective like i said in every other post.

Anyways, here's your animations count.

There are 902 total animations in PV
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There are a total of 186 NTR animations (including cerberus). I also want to point out NTR only takes up 258MB of a total of 1.62GB of space for total animations. That's almost 1.3+GB of vanilla animations
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total runtime of every animation in the game is 57 and a half minutes
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NTR animation runtime is 9 and half minutes
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This means NTR animations is only 16.5% of the total runtime of all the animations in the game.

I just don't know how it can be anymore clear. NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful.
I was driving... sorry for the delayed response, in case people were waiting for one, since a couple of comments have surfaced.

1. so it's more than more than 10%
2. "NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful."

Thank you for this. That's what I was saying it's more than 10%. Now you are admitting the scenes are longer, which I too agree with.
Again my initial concern was the scene count [which you provided, thank you :) ] & Quality. Which I said earlier, it's a visual/kinetic novel based of renders. so mildly put, Sterling has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of render/s animations, NTR bad ends let's say 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter have to larger than Sterling to be impactful. But Sterling's 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?
 
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I don't ignore people because I have to be there to stop the spread of misinformation that scare people away. Imagine if all the "This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" people went unchecked. It would scare off a lot of potential new players. I can't see people posting lies if i put them on the ignore list.
lies and misinformation, I hate those things too.
"This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" --- I don't know why so many people are saying this and I'll listen to them more sincerely if they actually play the game and then comment this... because anyone who has played the game will knw that;
1. it has NTR bad ends
2. NTR scenes are longer [taking your words here: because it needs to be impactful ]
 

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so mildly put, Sterling has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of render/s animations, NTR bad ends let's say 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter have to larger than Sterling to be impactful. But Sterlings 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?
I'm not sure what you're asking. maybe it's the few misspellings that preventing me from understanding the questions. Are you asking if 10 Sterling sex scenes shouldn't be as long as Hunter's / Drew's scenes each? If you're saying that 10 Sterling scene's don't have the same runtime as 1 Drew / Hunter scene, that's not right either. Sorry, i just don't understand your question.
 

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I think I am in the small minority then who just plays a game and decides for themselves if it is for them or not. If it isn't, I just delete it. I am glad this one fell into the like category as well as yours dartred.
 
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