Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[SlightlyPanda]

I am salty. Its false advertising. I thought this was a game that had an NTR path that the story follows, this game DOES NOT have an NTR path. What it does have are a bunch of dream sequence/what if/may have/could have scenes that have absolutely 0 bearing on the story.

If the dev never made those scenes players like YOU would have way more harem/incest content than you do right now. I can speak for NTR fans when I say, the reality is part of the kink. If there is no real danger, no real loss, what is even the point? The girls are never in real danger because NTR is not canon. The dev even said so himself.

False advertising? It's literally advertised how NTR plays out in this game on the main page. What are you the arbiter of NTR content? Jesus titty fucking christ just find a different game to get your cuck shame.

 

[indigis]

Roughly 9 months and no update. The dev used to be better than this. What's up?

Bro he literally gives 2-3 teaser updates per month leading to the update. Obviously if he's adding more content each update, it's going to take longer. Unless you're satisfied with the 1-2 month update cycle with 5 mins of content lol

 

[TGafy]

The reason I said "false advertising" was because it claims to have NTR in it which technically it does have NTR content BUT and heres the big BUT...NTR doesnt affect the story in anyway.

If I am playing a game, I am going through the story, its real, events are happening, lives are changing. If none of what happens in these what if/could haves/might haves actually mean anything, I feel there is no point. It feels like to me this was just a way to try and entice more support from a target audience.

If it were actually meant to be apart of the story then it wouldnt be optional or at the very least the actions in these NTR scenes would be permanent and not rolledback. As a person who has played hundreds of NTR works, I feel unsatisfied.

1. You admitted to making a false statement, own that.
2. With this game, it's the potential of ntr that drives the story forward. Without that threat, there is no story. Sterling would not be a jacked up Adonis dicking down any of the girls. Avoiding the finality of ntr is what makes this game stand out from the general ntr games out there.
3. This game does in fact have big BUTTS.

 

[tragicbronson]

As an big NTR fan, i'm loving the NTR in this game. I have no problem that it's not a "route". Girls get fucked by NTR guy and it's better this way. Every time is their first time. it never gets old. If you go with the "route" gameplay, the girls lose their NTR value since once they get stolen, there's no shock value to the MC. This way every time he walks in on the girls, he's watching them for the first time. I don't think NTR is NTR because of it's length, but its presentation.

I could not agree more. Lots of NTR games tend to get stale and I usually enjoy the first few scenes way more than the latter ones. The reluctance is just *chefs kiss*.

 

[zindathar]

So much hate about NTR or no NTR, there is a simple solution for that, if you don't like the game, don't play it and do not post about your hate, let us enjoy the game without so much B.S

 

[ThorinKing]

So much hate about NTR or no NTR, there is a simple solution for that, if you don't like the game, don't play it and do not post about your hate, let us enjoy the game without so much B.S

You realize that you're trying to appeal to folks that make toddlers look intellectually and emotionally mature, right?

 

[MAGO-DAG]

So much hate about NTR or no NTR, there is a simple solution for that, if you don't like the game, don't play it and do not post about your hate, let us enjoy the game without so much B.S

Here, on the contrary, no one shows hatred towards NTR, here there is a completely different discussion... normal people will understand that here you can avoid NTR or play with bad endings, the main thing is to enjoy the game as we like it)))

 

[BBC King]

1. You admitted to making a false statement, own that.
2. With this game, it's the potential of ntr that drives the story forward. Without that threat, there is no story. Sterling would not be a jacked up Adonis dicking down any of the girls. Avoiding the finality of ntr is what makes this game stand out from the general ntr games out there.
3. This game does in fact have big BUTTS.

1. I admitted to glossing over/not seeing the "NTR is non-canonical" message, I never admitted to making a false statement, if you are referring to me saying that that game is "false advertising" I see it as valid given that NTR is not integral or matters to the game yet its updated with this type of content to draw in more people.

2. The story is driven forward no matter what, you can literally opt out of all NTR and the story doesnt miss a beat, it isnt a plot device, it isnt a narrative when you can remove all traces, you are just plain wrong here. There can be a million threats but if the threat isnt real then it isnt a threat its an illusion.

3. True.

So much hate about NTR or no NTR, there is a simple solution for that, if you don't like the game, don't play it and do not post about your hate, let us enjoy the game without so much B.S

It's not even a discussion about hating or not hating NTR. The discussion was about the game presenting a half-assed form of NTR that means nothing to the story, isnt real and ultimately was only put in to garner a wider audience.

You realize that you're trying to appeal to folks that make toddlers look intellectually and emotionally mature, right?

Just because you dont like NTR doesnt mean you need to be snide towards anyone who has an opinion about it. And you got the nerve to make remarks about others lacking intellect and emotional matururity.

 

[ThorinKing]

[QUOTE="BBC Master, post:
Just because you dont like NTR doesnt mean you need to be snide towards anyone who has an opinion about it. And you got the nerve to make remarks about others lacking intellect and emotional matururity.
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I'm agnostic on the matter. What I get a kick out of is seeing folks passionately for or against it, with those against arguing that it even being an option in a VN is apostate, thinking every LI has to be a virgin or they're precucked, while others argue that it isn't done hard enough or is an afterthought or whatever your argument was. It's imaginary; if you aren't paying for it, quitcherbitchen; if you are paying for it, bitch on the Patreon or whatever site you subscribe where feedback might be seen before it's dismissed as worthless, rather than not being seen at all.

 

[BBC King]

[QUOTE="BBC Master, post:
Just because you dont like NTR doesnt mean you need to be snide towards anyone who has an opinion about it. And you got the nerve to make remarks about others lacking intellect and emotional matururity.

I'm agnostic on the matter. What I get a kick out of is seeing folks passionately for or against it, with those against arguing that it even being an option in a VN is apostate, thinking every LI has to be a virgin or they're precucked, while others argue that it isn't done hard enough or is an afterthought or whatever your argument was. It's imaginary; if you aren't paying for it, quitcherbitchen; if you are paying for it, bitch on the Patreon or whatever site you subscribe where feedback might be seen before it's dismissed as worthless, rather than not being seen at all.

You forgot to close your bracket lol and fyi it wasnt feedback and if you dont know what the discussion was then you are better off not commenting on it. Seems like you just wanted to start some shit with someone.

 

[AnotherLurker]

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[dartred]

1. I admitted to glossing over/not seeing the "NTR is non-canonical" message, I never admitted to making a false statement, if you are referring to me saying that that game is "false advertising" I see it as valid given that NTR is not integral or matters to the game yet its updated with this type of content to draw in more people.

2. The story is driven forward no matter what, you can literally opt out of all NTR and the story doesnt miss a beat, it isnt a plot device, it isnt a narrative when you can remove all traces, you are just plain wrong here. There can be a million threats but if the threat isnt real then it isnt a threat its an illusion.

3. True.

It's not even a discussion about hating or not hating NTR. The discussion was about the game presenting a half-assed form of NTR that means nothing to the story, isnt real and ultimately was only put in to garner a wider audience.

Just because you dont like NTR doesnt mean you need to be snide towards anyone who has an opinion about it. And you got the nerve to make remarks about others lacking intellect and emotional matururity.

For #2
Hunter IS important to the story. Sterling would have never attempted to seduce the women in his family if Hunter never showed up. Hunter was the reason Sterling started going after the women in his family in the first place. Sterling would have never gotten buff either. Hunter is the one who put all the drugs that made Sterling what he is at this point. Saying Hunter is important just shows you didn’t read the game or at least anything outside of sex scenes.

 

[SuddenReal]

There can be a million threats but if the threat isnt real then it isnt a threat its an illusion.

I'm curious. What then do you consider a threat? If in a story there is a situation where if the hero doesn't prevail, there will be dire consequences, do you not consider that a real threat when he does? I mean, then in any form of story there wouldn't be a threat. You could even flip your premise. If the hero doesn't prevail, the dire consequences aren't a threat but an actuality. Which means the threat is also an illusion. After all, the definition of a threat is "intention". Once that intention is acted out, it's no longer a threat.
And in the case of Power Vacuum, it is most certainly a threat. If you pick the wrong thing, bad things happen (yes, yes, I know, "bad things" is debatable).

But the reason why there aren't two paths, is because it's impossible. You wouldn't have two paths, but two seperate games that can never interact with one another. I mean, think about it. From the first choice, if you pick the NTR option, the harem game is over. Hunter won. Sterling would never be able to win the girls back, nor even continue on the harem path since that happens because he won. Which means, it's not a different branch but a whole new tree. And what of the second choice? It doesn't magically go to the second tree, but makes a third tree. None of the NTR paths will ever converge with each other, simply because all that happened before in the harem path. We're at the verge of chapter 12, which would mean that there would be the continuation of not only the harem path, but also all eleven NTR paths in the past (most of which will just be repeating itself because, let's be honest, all the interesting stuff already happened). I mean, let's face it, Dartred is an NTR fan, but I think even he would move on if the update is "Hunter fucks the girls again without Sterling even being in the picture".

You know what, I wasn't planning on doing this, but fuck it. I think it's time to make it clear that there's a difference between NTR and the NTR genre. NTR is about a non-main character fucking the MC's LI. But the NTR genre is about a non-main character stealing away the MC's LI. Fans of the NTR genre are all about the act of stealing. Once it's done, well, it's... it's just porn. They don't care about the "happily ever after". Nobody does. Everyone wants to see the hero get the girl. Nobody cares what happens after he got her. So, while technically everything happening after Hunter succeeds is NTR, nobody cares, because he already succeeded. It's no longer part of the NTR genre, since the act of stealing already happened. That's why there's a difference between NTR and cucking. With cucking, the "MC" knows, with NTR, he doesn't. With cucking, the "MC" accepts his fate, with NTR, he's helpless to do anything. That's the difference. (Disclaimer: I know there are more aspects to cucking than that and I'm going with the general definition, but whatever). Anyway, any continuation of the NTR paths would no longer be part of the NTR genre, and thus wouldn't be interesting to NTR fans.

 

[BBC King]

I'm curious. What then do you consider a threat? If in a story there is a situation where if the hero doesn't prevail, there will be dire consequences, do you not consider that a real threat when he does? I mean, then in any form of story there wouldn't be a threat. You could even flip your premise. If the hero doesn't prevail, the dire consequences aren't a threat but an actuality. Which means the threat is also an illusion. After all, the definition of a threat is "intention". Once that intention is acted out, it's no longer a threat.
And in the case of Power Vacuum, it is most certainly a threat. If you pick the wrong thing, bad things happen (yes, yes, I know, "bad things" is debatable).

I consider a threat something that results in an outcome that is unwanted. This is a bit confusing in NTR because if you want NTR to happen then the "threat" is your key to getting to what you want. For the sake of argument we will keep it simple; a threat would be the girls getting dicked down by someone other than you. Well in this case its an illusion because the girls are never in any danger, NTR events are either turned off or they happen in a "what if" scenario. Ultimately, the hero will always triumph, good will always prevail over evil, there is no permanence in these "bad things". It's more like a bad dream that you will eventually wake up from.

But the reason why there aren't two paths, is because it's impossible. You wouldn't have two paths, but two seperate games that can never interact with one another. I mean, think about it. From the first choice, if you pick the NTR option, the harem game is over. Hunter won. Sterling would never be able to win the girls back, nor even continue on the harem path since that happens because he won. Which means, it's not a different branch but a whole new tree. And what of the second choice? It doesn't magically go to the second tree, but makes a third tree. None of the NTR paths will ever converge with each other, simply because all that happened before in the harem path. We're at the verge of chapter 12, which would mean that there would be the continuation of not only the harem path, but also all eleven NTR paths in the past (most of which will just be repeating itself because, let's be honest, all the interesting stuff already happened). I mean, let's face it, Dartred is an NTR fan, but I think even he would move on if the update is "Hunter fucks the girls again without Sterling even being in the picture".

I was waiting for someone to say something like this. Ladies and gentlemen I present to you A Struggle With Sin. Not only are there 2 unique paths in 1 game but those paths happen to be Harem and NTR. The reason this game doesnt have 2 paths is simple; the dev didnt want to make 2 paths but they did want to get as much support and audience as possible so they did the next best thing, they created the game they intended but to appease another group of potential customers they shoehorned in "NTR" and for that extra sprinkle on top as to not alienate his core demographic they made sure that NTR was "non-canonical".

You know what, I wasn't planning on doing this, but fuck it. I think it's time to make it clear that there's a difference between NTR and the NTR genre. NTR is about a non-main character fucking the MC's LI. But the NTR genre is about a non-main character stealing away the MC's LI. Fans of the NTR genre are all about the act of stealing. Once it's done, well, it's... it's just porn. They don't care about the "happily ever after". Nobody does. Everyone wants to see the hero get the girl. Nobody cares what happens after he got her. So, while technically everything happening after Hunter succeeds is NTR, nobody cares, because he already succeeded. It's no longer part of the NTR genre, since the act of stealing already happened. That's why there's a difference between NTR and cucking. With cucking, the "MC" knows, with NTR, he doesn't. With cucking, the "MC" accepts his fate, with NTR, he's helpless to do anything. That's the difference. (Disclaimer: I know there are more aspects to cucking than that and I'm going with the general definition, but whatever). Anyway, any continuation of the NTR paths would no longer be part of the NTR genre, and thus wouldn't be interesting to NTR fans.

Already wrong. NTR is a genre of porn in of it self which consists of multiple aspects; Netorare/Netorase/Netori, these aspects all vary greatly and can be definitively added to a game on top of each other or separately. You already lack a proper understanding of the concept so anything you have to say after that I ignored because your take on it is ill-informed and you are the last person who should be speaking as to what "wouldnt be interesting to NTR fans".

 

[SuddenReal]

Not only are there 2 unique paths in 1 game but those paths happen to be Harem and NTR.

Be as it may be, but is it the main focus on the game or is the story line seperate from that? Because the story line in Power Vacuum is all about protecting the girls. If one falls, all fall. I haven't played A Struggle With Sin, but I assume the NTR in the game are one off's and are not connected to the other girls. Meaning if you "lose" one girl, that doesn't mean you're locked out of another girl.

The reason this game doesnt have 2 paths is simple; the dev didnt want to make 2 paths but they did want to get as much support and audience as possible so they did the next best thing, they created the game they intended but to appease another group of potential customers they shoehorned in "NTR" and for that extra sprinkle on top as to not alienate his core demographic they made sure that NTR was "non-canonical".

No, the reason why it doesn't have 2 paths is because the whole point of the game is to avoid NTR. It's not "shoehorned in" because it was always the premise from the game since the very start. And since the story is driven by avoiding NTR, all the plotlines of the girls are connected. You advance with one because you reached a certain point with another. So, remove one of the girls, the story can't continue anymore. That's why there aren't two paths, because you can't intersect them.

 

[BBC King]

Be as it may be, but is it the main focus on the game or is the story line seperate from that? Because the story line in Power Vacuum is all about protecting the girls. If one falls, all fall. I haven't played A Struggle With Sin, but I assume the NTR in the game are one off's and are not connected to the other girls. Meaning if you "lose" one girl, that doesn't mean you're locked out of another girl.

Since that game isnt a kinetic novel like this one its much more open, meaning the paths all diverge and intersect one another multiple times and there isnt 1 way to play or 2 know that I think about it, you are free to mix and match BUT im getting off topic, ASWS isnt Power Vacuum and vice-versa, my comment was to let you know a game CAN have multiple paths if the dev so chooses, this dev chose not to. A corruption narrative isnt that complex and can be woven into any genre.

No, the reason why it doesn't have 2 paths is because the whole point of the game is to avoid NTR. It's not "shoehorned in" because it was always the premise from the game since the very start. And since the story is driven by avoiding NTR, all the plotlines of the girls are connected. You advance with one because you reached a certain point with another. So, remove one of the girls, the story can't continue anymore. That's why there aren't two paths, because you can't intersect them.

Building on my previous statement, this game is a kinetic novel and its pretty typical; MC fucks harem, third party wants to fuck harem, MC stops third party. Thats not exactly ground breaking story-telling and like I said before a corruption narrative can just as easily have been written in to create 2 paths where 1 side wins and where 1 side loses over the course of narrative but that didnt happen. I have stated MY opinion on why this is how it is but at the end of the day its just my opinion.

Good game, good renders, terrible interpretation of NTR. And on that note imma stop replying to this mini-thread because this has gone on long enough, we can take it to PM's but tbh we are just arguing opinions at this point.

 

[TrueJackal]

Roughly 9 months and no update. The dev used to be better than this. What's up?

Is this a troll comment? Can we remove comments this wilfully ignorant?

To answer your question directly:
Every update takes longer because he puts MORE content into them.
There has been a steady stream of monthly teasers showing us what the dev has been working on.
And to top it all off, the Dev said there would be an update this month.
YOU CAN CHECK HIS FUCKING PATREON AND SEE THAT HE'S MAKING POSTS CONSTANTLY!!!

The dev IS better, that's why it takes LONGER to make new updates, because it takes MORE time to produce high quality work. And then he has to check to make sure that the update isn't buggy. He's also gotten faster because he puts DOUBLE the amount of renders in less than double the time.

There's no way you seriously looked at the dev's patreon, looked at the teasers that get posted here, looked at ANY information here, and came to that conclusion.

Do you understand how linear time works? Do you realize what it means to rush a product? And how that would NEGATIVELY affect the product? Are you real?

Can we make comments like this against the rules? Not comments genuinely asking if the game is on hiatus, that's dumb but whatever. But comments unwittingly asking for WORSE content. Comments complaining about release schedules when the dev ISN'T a scammer.

Fuck I need to chill out, why do I care so much.

 

[TrueJackal]

I'm not expecting it to drop tomorrow... but I am expecting at least some news tomorrow.

It's iffy. He didn't make a post on the 11th, so I assume he's focusing more on getting the update done, than making small updates.

 

[Only1P]

It's iffy. He didn't make a post on the 11th, so I assume he's focusing more on getting the update done, than making small updates.

Hey there, I am following the patreon, and yes, the updates are getting astronomically bigger leading up to each new chapter, in fact I dont think i've ever seen an update as big as what ch12 is shaping up to be ever out of any dev in this community.

But you cant deny that, the teasers have gotten significantly more sparse, he is skipping update dates on schedule, he did drop the percentage evaluation.
It seems like as we get closer and closer to release, instead of getting a more precise idea of the date of release, its getting more and more vague, the dev's comments on "How exhausting it is to do nothing but writing", "Im adding more stuff" dont help either.

I mean we're on the 21st already, if the release is actually set up for December there are not many options left.

I mean why wont he do something like that:
(Not word to word, but you know what I mean)

 

[dartred]

But you cant deny that, the teasers have gotten significantly more sparse, he is skipping update dates on schedule, he did drop the percentage evaluation.
It seems like as we get closer and closer to release, instead of getting a more precise idea of the date of release, its getting more and more vague, the dev's comments on "How exhausting it is to do nothing but writing", "Im adding more stuff" dont help either.

I mean we're on the 21st already, if the release is actually set up for December there are not many options left.

I mean why wont he do something like that:
(Not word to word, but you know what I mean)

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He is skipping updates by choice. He has said that after he is done with the render portion and moves onto the writing, he has to space out teasers otherwise he'll have to release teasers that spoil TOO much. We all know he has the renders, he just doesn't want to release more revealing renders. He has said before that NTR event teasers are the usually the last teasers and they are. He then throws together a teaser salad of a few images from different teasers sometimes.




He also talked about why he doesn't do hard dates. He said in the discord when he puts hard dates and they approach, he feels like he wish he could cut off a pinkie finger to have just 1 more day. Can't find the post, but i'm sure other discord users remember when he said it.