Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[john984]

I love this game and you know it, I've defended the Dev a lot of the time and really since I'm not a patreon supporter the wait doesn't bother or affect me personally in the least.

But I said this all the way back to chapter 9 or 10 release, going for double each release is an UNSUSTAINABLE model, the ratio from content and wait time of chapter 11 was good I believe, he should have stuck with that one, sincerelly just going haywire with the amount of content is bad for the fans and worse for the dev, I mean, like how's it gonna go now? you said that dev now believes that a chapter 14 is now a posibility on the table, is it gonna be 15 gigs of content and who knows how much wait time on that one?

Chapter 11 was 9 months of development I believe and Chapter 12 is double in size and it's only 1 more month (10 months), it's pretty fair if you ask me. If Chapter 13 is double in content from Chapter 12 and it takes 9 to 11 months, that's also good/fair.

 

[Beardedsmith]

It's only a week delay, as i acknowledged, he is running late on the update, but it's only a week. It shouldn't be hard to overlook 1 week. It's not like development time is getting longer without nothing to show for it. CH 12 is going to be twice as big as CH 11 and only 1 extra month of development time. If CH 13 is twice as big again and only 10 months to develop, it's statiscally a win. Every chapters increased development time to content ratio has been a win. Sure, i get it's not a win for you personally because you don't like the jokes and think it's a waste of time, i get that. Content is content though, he isn't just sitting around doing nothing though.

Dart ill never understand why a smart guy like you lets WWG use you as a buffer for criticism he rightfully earns while doing absolutely nothing to improve. I understand WWG has some of the thinnest skin in the biz but you gotta stop going to bat for him when he ducks up. You act like that parent who tells the teacher their child is an angel but they're actually the school bully.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Chapter 11 was 9 months of development I believe and Chapter 12 is double in size and it's only 1 more month (10 months), it's pretty fair if you ask me. If Chapter 13 is double in content from Chapter 12 and it takes 9 to 11 months, that's also good/fair.

That's been thrown around a lot, Chapter 11 had 986 renders if we don't see double that or very close to it then we been sold a lie.

Id prefer images over animation for PV but if it ain't double from last time that's again another lie we been fed for even more dev time.

 

[dartred]

Dart ill never understand why a smart guy like you lets WWG use you as a buffer for criticism he rightfully earns while doing absolutely nothing to improve. I understand WWG has some of the thinnest skin in the biz but you gotta stop going to bat for him when he ducks up. You act like that parent who tells the teacher their child is an angel but they're actually the school bully.

But that's simply not true. Almost every chapter he improved in quality and learned new techniques. You can't say CH 6 didn't look better then 1 and CH 11 didn't look better then 6 and everything inbetween. Sure not maybe not every chapter had an improvement, but there were improvements nonetheless. Most games look exactly the same from start to finish. PV did see improvement. It's only these last few chapters where improvement has staled. You can only keep improving so much. He doesn't use me either, i'm just defending the game i love on my own accord.

 

[Beardedsmith]

But that's simply not true. Almost every chapter he improved in quality and learned new techniques. You can't say CH 6 didn't look better then 1 and CH 11 didn't look better then 6 and everything inbetween. Sure not maybe not every chapter had an improvement, but there were improvements nonetheless. Most games look exactly the same from start to finish. PV did see improvement. It's only these last few chapters where improvement has staled. You can only keep improving so much. He doesn't use me either, i'm just defending the game i love on my own accord.

I wasn't talking about his game improving. I meant him as a person.

And you do understand how simping for a dude who makes 3D porn on your own accord is worse than what I said right?

 

[HornyyPussy]

I wasn't talking about his game improving. I meant him as a person.

And you do understand how simping for a dude who makes 3D porn on your own accord is worse than what I said right?

Yes, because liking something you don't make him a simp.............where the hell do you geniuses come from?

 

[Deleted member 1961891]

Before this thread gets scrubbed again, I think I'll divert the conversation to how I've recently found out why I like the Hunter scenes so much in this game. Also why I find most other NTR games boring and not really worth playing. I really like corruption. Hunter's ugliness and underhanded drugging causes the girls to give in to the lust of the moment and cast away their normal aspersions. Thus making their eventual "love" of him that much sweeter. It's the breaking down of values and rules in a person that I think PV shows so well. My favourite scene in chp.11 wasn't even with Hunter, it was with Rachida. The switch from reluctant to overwhelming pleasure and desire is really hot.

Most NTR games don't do the actual act of corruption well. I think the architect and his games also do a really good job of this though. The breaking down of purity through manipulation and emotional force. Both Devs also write the characters as believable and well-defined so when their desires are used against them to corrupt them, it hits harder. Not just random because the plot demands it. Ophelia has her care for others used against her, Brenna has her desire for trust and vulnerability used against her, etc...

It took me a while to figure out why I didn't find Ophelia's scene with Sterling as hot in chp.11 or Brenna's with Sterling in chp. 9. (In contrast to their respective NTR scenes) I've figured out it was because they both make a conscious choice to cross the line because of love and not out of overwhelming lust. Honestly, I just don't think that's as hot as someone corrupting her with his vile meat stick by manipulating their fears and desires.

In short, corruption is really hard to do well and very few devs can actually pull it off. Most just rely on the shock/taboo factor of NTR to bypass the (well-written) character development needed to truly show believable corruption. Cause that's what NTR is at the end of the day right? The desire to see the lust of a loved one corrupt them, to the point it overcomes the internal want to stay pure and monogamous, as social norms demand.

WWG does all this damn well and that's why I don't care if he takes an extra week or breaks deadlines... The man has me by the balls with his excellently crafted corruption. So I'll wait. *Shrugs*

 

[Night Hacker]

I might be WWG's biggest shill and defender and I'll again defend him here, but i can admit when he is wrong. Yes, he missed his estimated release date. Some people are being too harsh with him missing his GUESS. I can admit that he isn't on point when he determines when he thinks his update will drop. as a matter of fact, i can admit he misses his estimate pretty often, but that's why it's called a guess or estimate. He tried to predict the release date 3 months in advance and the worst he has to show for it is being off by 1 week (if he doesn't need more time). For every time he underestimates his release, it's always been about a week. Some people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.

I know i'll get facepalmed by the haters who can't see that the delay isn't a major deal when compared to other devs description of a delay. When you consider the amount of content and how big the update is, it's should be understandable why the game is taking so long to make. He doesn't create dates and then releases when that date comes around with whatever is finished so far. Those games that make their own once a month or other month deadline can be finished playing through in 10 to 20 minutes usually. PV will take you a good few hours and i'm expecting this next update to take most players a full day, wake to sleep to finish.

I would rather he took his time and get it done right. If he is too quick, than quality may suffer and people will whine and moan no matter what, so, better to just do it right, take his time, check for errors etc. It's not like we'll run out of visual novels to play while we wait.

 

[Bear2093]

I don't mind the long update period, totally expect the last one or maybe two chapters to take a year to complete. The dev always delivers with great content, each update contunies to be better from the last. BeingADik is yearly updates, I feel majority people don't mind that cause like WWG, that dev always delivers great content as well.

 

[uscmiller22]

That's been thrown around a lot, Chapter 11 had 986 renders if we don't see double that or very close to it then we been sold a lie.

Id prefer images over animation for PV but if it ain't double from last time that's again another lie we been fed for even more dev time.

I’m curious about this too. I wonder if anyone will check this claim or the 150,000+ words claims. Maybe it’s accurate, but sure seems doubtful. CH 11 was not much different than CH 10 in terms of play time.

 

[BBC King]

Before this thread gets scrubbed again, I think I'll divert the conversation to how I've recently found out why I like the Hunter scenes so much in this game. Also why I find most other NTR games boring and not really worth playing. I really like corruption. Hunter's ugliness and underhanded drugging causes the girls to give in to the lust of the moment and cast away their normal aspersions. Thus making their eventual "love" of him that much sweeter. It's the breaking down of values and rules in a person that I think PV shows so well. My favourite scene in chp.11 wasn't even with Hunter, it was with Rachida. The switch from reluctant to overwhelming pleasure and desire is really hot.

Most NTR games don't do the actual act of corruption well. I think the architect and his games also do a really good job of this though. The breaking down of purity through manipulation and emotional force. Both Devs also write the characters as believable and well-defined so when their desires are used against them to corrupt them, it hits harder. Not just random because the plot demands it. Ophelia has her care for others used against her, Brenna has her desire for trust and vulnerability used against her, etc...

It took me a while to figure out why I didn't find Ophelia's scene with Sterling as hot in chp.11 or Brenna's with Sterling in chp. 9. (In contrast to their respective NTR scenes) I've figured out it was because they both make a conscious choice to cross the line because of love and not out of overwhelming lust. Honestly, I just don't think that's as hot as someone corrupting her with his vile meat stick by manipulating their fears and desires.

In short, corruption is really hard to do well and very few devs can actually pull it off. Most just rely on the shock/taboo factor of NTR to bypass the (well-written) character development needed to truly show believable corruption. Cause that's what NTR is at the end of the day right? The desire to see the lust of a loved one corrupt them, to the point it overcomes the internal want to stay pure and monogamous, as social norms demand.

WWG does all this damn well and that's why I don't care if he takes an extra week or breaks deadlines... The man has me by the balls with his excellently crafted corruption. So I'll wait. *Shrugs*

That is simply not true. As an avid NTR player of both Western and Asian, I can comfortably say "corruption" is one thing NTR developers get right most of the time. If they dont then they use a cheap hypnosis plot or worse yet "drugs", which is funny because you claim this game did it good when in most cases drugs are a cop out for actual corruption and depravement of women.

 

[Pepemolas]

dont worry king u have all time for that game u win that with 12chapters with good quality and good history

 

[Beardedsmith]

Yes, because liking something you don't make him a simp.............where the hell do you geniuses come from?

No gormless, protecting them from any criticism for literal years does. But I know reading is super hard in those early years so you can't look back at this thread before typing

 

[KingDanTura]

That is simply not true. As an avid NTR player of both Western and Asian, I can comfortably say "corruption" is one thing NTR developers get right most of the time. If they dont then they use a cheap hypnosis plot or worse yet "drugs", which is funny because you claim this game did it good when in most cases drugs are a cop out for actual corruption and depravement of women.

Bro is that game in your signature? If it is can you tell me the name of the game?

 

[BBC King]

Bro is that game in your signature? If it is can you tell me the name of the game?

Nah its animated art by John Persons from his comic the name is "2 Hot Blondes hunt for Big Black Cock".

 

[Night Hacker]

Bro is that game in your signature? If it is can you tell me the name of the game?

I know right! I want to play it now!

 

[BeingADikDik]

... the name is "2 Hot Blondes hunt for Big Black Cock".

What's the plot?

 

[Deleted member 1961891]

That is simply not true. As an avid NTR player of both Western and Asian, I can comfortably say "corruption" is one thing NTR developers get right most of the time. If they dont then they use a cheap hypnosis plot or worse yet "drugs", which is funny because you claim this game did it good when in most cases drugs are a cop out for actual corruption and depravement of women.

Have you considered that maybe I like drugs and hypnosis when used as plot instigators to further people's emotional and mental corruption? As I said in my post it is not the act itself, it is the reasoning behind it, I like. The loss of purity and of deeply-held belief written in a well-written, believable, and entertaining way.

I've played a fair amount of western and asian ntr games. 95% were not my cup of tea in regards to corruption. If you have any suggestions I'll take them but other than that there's no need to argue against someone's personal preference and reasoning. I think I've laid those both out clearly enough.

 

[BBC King]

Have you considered that maybe I like drugs and hypnosis when used as plot instigators to further people's emotional and mental corruption? As I said in my post it is not the act itself, it is the reasoning behind it, I like. The loss of purity and of deeply-held belief written in a well-written, believable, and entertaining way.

If you like it thats fine but I would say for a majority of NTR players, Drugs and Hypnosis feels like cheating. You are kinda contradicting yourself because the use of hypnosis and drugs are shortcuts not proper ways to showcase "loss of purity and of deeply-held belief", it is used to get around doing that in the first place.

I've played a fair amount of western and asian ntr games. 95% were not my cup of tea in regards to corruption. If you have any suggestions I'll take them but other than that there's no need to argue against someone's personal preference and reasoning. I think I've laid those both out clearly enough.

Well its more so the way you presented your claim. It didnt seem knowledgeable about the subject yet you spoke as if everything you said were true and many NTR enjoyers like myself would hard disagree with your take.

 

[cvjoint]

Nah its animated art by John Persons from his comic the name is "2 Hot Blondes hunt for Big Black Cock".

I wonder what that comic is about...