Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Dogorti]

If you like it thats fine but I would say for a majority of NTR players, Drugs and Hypnosis feels like cheating. You are kinda contradicting yourself because the use of hypnosis and drugs are shortcuts not proper ways to showcase "loss of purity and of deeply-held belief", it is used to get around doing that in the first place.

Well its more so the way you presented your claim. It didnt seem knowledgeable about the subject yet you spoke as if everything you said were true and many NTR enjoyers like myself would hard disagree with your take.

I kinda agree on that, hypnosis can be hot but it gets boring and drugs i don't like at all. I prefer more "organics" ways of corruption.

By the way BBC Master i though that you hated the game what are you doing here? Genuine question

 

[BBC King]

I kinda agree on that, hypnosis can be hot but it gets boring and drugs i don't like at all. I prefer more "organics" ways of corruption.

By the way BBC Master i though that you hated the game what are you doing here? Genuine question

I dont hate the game, there is nothing to really hate about it. Great models/sex scenes. I enjoy it.

 

[Dogorti]

I dont hate the game, there is nothing to really hate about it. Great models/sex scenes. I enjoy it.

I mean a one star review can lead to confusion....

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I agree with this person DeathIsImminent

I’ve never been a fan of NTR, because no matter what NTR I play, there is duplicity on the part of Mc girls, i.e. they forget about love for Mc and fight like whores to fuck with anyone, it’s boring, it makes you puke as if you don’t have the desire and stories that immediately suddenly fall into place and are focused on making girls become a plate for sperm from all the guys. then MC is turned into a cuckold, and the girl is like “Blah blah, I love you, but still fucking with someone else is for variety” everywhere it’s the same thing... I’ll move on to the topic of the person who asked this question for PV, here NTR works like this the main villain uses his tools to seduce girls to turn them into HIS whores, there is no such ala “Sterling I love you but Hunter’s dick is better than yours” or hypocrisy, here they say that because they are under the influence of drugs and influence, this is the only plus in the game! Sterling's goal is NOT TO LET the villain corrupt the girls, one small mistake, and this girl is no longer yours, she will be attached to the villain, she has exhausted her feelings for Mc, because drugs work on them, and without these drugs and all sorts of other substances from the Hunters, the girls will love Sterling no matter what, even if Sterling gets kicked out in the future, they will love him deep down, this is not that NTR game where the girl contradicts herself when she got a big dick and tells her boyfriend that she loves him, it’s boring without any -that’s a consequence... so this ntr revolution from WWG really deserves excellent praise, I wouldn’t even say that this is straight NTR, it can be considered more like corruption, Sterling as a normal guy versus Hunter as a corrupt villain, both will confront like this

 

[BBC King]

I mean a one star review can lead to confusion....

I deleted the review, it wasnt really well thought out. The NTR aspect aside, the game is one of the better ones I have enjoyed.

 

[Deleted member 1961891]

If you like it thats fine but I would say for a majority of NTR players, Drugs and Hypnosis feels like cheating. You are kinda contradicting yourself because the use of hypnosis and drugs are shortcuts not proper ways to showcase "loss of purity and of deeply-held belief", it is used to get around doing that in the first place.

Well its more so the way you presented your claim. It didnt seem knowledgeable about the subject yet you spoke as if everything you said were true and many NTR enjoyers like myself would hard disagree with your take.

I'd argue drugs and hypnosis are VN tropes. Tropes turn into cliches if not properly enacted. Though, in part, I think they are an "eye of the beholder" situation, it must still be possible to use drugs and hypnosis as a crucible for means of well-executed corruption. It's just harder to pull off in a satisfying way. Just like with any well-known trope. For instance: Hunter uses drugs to "soften" the girls so he can use their deepest insecurities and desires against them? Hot, and interesting. Random ugly bastard puts his penis into an unconscious girl after he drugged her? Boring and trite.

I don't make the rules, I just jack off to them.

Yeah, I think the whole point of my original post is that I'm not really an ntr enjoyer at all. lol. And though I hear you, I was pretty clear in that it was my opinion on the matter, of which I think I'm the most knowledgeable of. And I'm not gonna put an "in my opinion" in front of every sentence. Haha.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

There's a sort of dissonance between the girls' love for Sterling, and how easily they fall prey to Hunter (or Drew). While the drugs are a factor, I suspect the girls would be equally receptive to almost any male (or woman with a penis). I believe they still feel strong love for Sterling, but at the same time they're also slaves to their baser instincts.

It all comes back to the (titular) power vacuum, meaning as soon as Sterling is out of the picture, the girls will easily have sex with someone else. We see this over and over in the bad endings. Even though they're non-canon, they're as plausible as anything in the main story, and they remind us of the persistent risk of losing the girls.

I recognize that the girls have "needs", but it's hard not to see them as sluts on some level. Perhaps everyone is, on some level. If we set aside the incest angle, there might even be a moral hidden in this story: that timing is everything when it comes to relationships. Our lives could unfold very differently if we seized opportunities before they were gone. Qui audet adipiscitur.

 

[Night Hacker]

Great game, still playing through it (on chapter 6) and while the DEV is amazing at comedy (I couldn't breathe laughing again when Eva and him had sex and were so loud his family were all giving miserable looks to Brenna), he knows nothing about human nature. He had the MC upset that Lucia gave him a blowjob, and he delayed in doing anything with a naked Brenna, while he was rock hard and horny... then he pouted about Lucia giving him a BJ... or my favourite, the long conversations before sex... because, that's what men want to do when they're rock hard. Seriously, is the dev a female?

Great sense of humour anyhow, there's that going for it still.

Seriously, I totally understand being hesitant about your sister in real life... but in this GAME, he already seen them nude, they got him off (same deal with his mom), he's touched their naughty bits... it's honestly insulting my intelligence at this point. hehehe

Oh, and all the blackmail... "you tell anyone and I'll show people the hidden camera footage" and at that point I am yelling at the screen "how is this a threat that works?!" seriously, at most someone is upset (not very, everyone has seen him nude, masterbated, helped him yadda yadda yadda), but the hidden cameras and footage from them is very illegal. I would be like "go for it, you'll get all the sex you need in jail, they'll forgive me".

I hope this gets better, or at LEAST has the same level of humour. I see far too many games with this weak blackmail trope that always bothers me. I may have to make my own game up where the MC beats the crap out of them and takes all their money and blackmails them back! Something, ANYTHING... LOL...

And Hunter... why did the dev have to make him look like some sort of hideous zombie??

Sorry, just had to vent. Did I mention the awesome humour?

 

[NachoAndCheez]

There's a sort of dissonance between the girls' love for Sterling, and how easily they fall prey to Hunter (or Drew). While the drugs are a factor, I suspect the girls would be equally receptive to almost any male (or woman with a penis). I believe they still feel strong love for Sterling, but at the same time they're also slaves to their baser instincts.

It all comes back to the (titular) power vacuum, meaning as soon as Sterling is out of the picture, the girls will easily have sex with someone else. We see this over and over in the bad endings. Even though they're non-canon, they're as plausible as anything in the main story, and they remind us of the persistent risk of losing the girls.

I recognize that the girls have "needs", but it's hard not to see them as sluts on some level. Perhaps everyone is, on some level. If we set aside the incest angle, there might even be a moral hidden in this story: that timing is everything when it comes to relationships. Our lives could unfold very differently if we seized opportunities before they were gone. Qui audet adipiscitur.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the dev said that the bad ends are just nonsensical? You know, the whole non canon thing kinda implies that they can't actually happen.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the dev said that the bad ends are just nonsensical? You know, the whole non canon thing kinda implies that they can't actually happen.

No, you're right, I wasn't trying to argue otherwise. I just mean that, well, the entire game is a little "nonsensical", so the idea that any of those bad endings could happen is almost as plausible as the idea that Ophelia would fuck her own son. If she's willing to cross a line like that, what else would she be willing to do if circumstances changed? Even though those endings are non-canon, the girls still act very much in-character during them.

So my point is that the bad ends and the main plot all prove there's a certain inevitability: the girls are going to fuck somebody, so Sterling had better make sure he's in position to be that somebody!

 

[MAGO-DAG]

There's a sort of dissonance between the girls' love for Sterling, and how easily they fall prey to Hunter (or Drew). While the drugs are a factor, I suspect the girls would be equally receptive to almost any male (or woman with a penis). I believe they still feel strong love for Sterling, but at the same time they're also slaves to their baser instincts.

It all comes back to the (titular) power vacuum, meaning as soon as Sterling is out of the picture, the girls will easily have sex with someone else. We see this over and over in the bad endings. Even though they're non-canon, they're as plausible as anything in the main story, and they remind us of the persistent risk of losing the girls.

I recognize that the girls have "needs", but it's hard not to see them as sluts on some level. Perhaps everyone is, on some level. If we set aside the incest angle, there might even be a moral hidden in this story: that timing is everything when it comes to relationships. Our lives could unfold very differently if we seized opportunities before they were gone. Qui audet adipiscitur.

I agree with some of your opinions, but correct me if I'm wrong. about the fact that girls somehow feel like they are hiding needs within themselves or want to become whores, this doesn’t look right to me...

Firstly, remember how long it took Sterling to somehow win their love or sexual relationship, Okay Brenna, Eva, Katherine, they are too young when faced with their bad endings, it is noticeable that like Brenna also Katherine resists, even if under the influence of drugs , they try and try to fall behind and still the excitement takes over, so it’s unlikely that they could give their body to just anyone... All that happened there was due to a coincidence of circumstances that became thanks to Hunter’s substance, all these ventilations and all sorts of wine and other foods and drugs, if it weren’t for them, ALL of this wouldn’t have happened, Sterling showed up at the house at the wrong time at the time when Hunter had already prepared everything, if Sterling hadn’t shown up at the door, Hunter would have already fucked all the girls in 1-6 days under the influence...

and then, as you noticed, everything that Hunter once prepared affected Sterling and the girls are more aroused by Sterling, and now it’s also a mixture of love and sexual attraction to Sterling... Sterling is saved only by love, if not for these love, then a woman like Ophelia or Brenna should be wondering “What the hell, I feel sexually attracted to my son/brother” exactly what the hell?(That's why they are under the influence of Hunter, but LOVE for Sterling saves it) They would have planned it this way if it weren’t for feelings love and attraction to Mc...

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I agree with some of your opinions, but correct me if I'm wrong. about the fact that girls somehow feel like they are hiding needs within themselves or want to become whores, this doesn’t look right to me...

Firstly, remember how long it took Sterling to somehow win their love or sexual relationship, Okay Brenna, Eva, Katherine, they are too young when faced with their bad endings, it is noticeable that like Brenna also Katherine resists, even if under the influence of drugs , they try and try to fall behind and still the excitement takes over, so it’s unlikely that they could give their body to just anyone... All that happened there was due to a coincidence of circumstances that became thanks to Hunter’s substance, all these ventilations and all sorts of wine and other foods and drugs, if it weren’t for them, ALL of this wouldn’t have happened, Sterling showed up at the house at the wrong time at the time when Hunter had already prepared everything, if Sterling hadn’t shown up at the door, Hunter would have already fucked all the girls in 1-6 days under the influence...

and then, as you noticed, everything that Hunter once prepared affected Sterling and the girls are more aroused by Sterling, and now it’s also a mixture of love and sexual attraction to Sterling... Sterling is saved only by love, if not for these love, then a woman like Ophelia or Brenna should be wondering “What the hell, I feel sexually attracted to my son/brother” exactly what the hell?(That's why they are under the influence of Hunter, but LOVE for Sterling saves it) They would have planned it this way if it weren’t for feelings love and attraction to Mc...

I actually feel kind of bad for saying this, and I'm not saying it has to be one or the other, but I wonder whether the girls are responding more to Sterling's love, or to his attractive appearance. I think that sometimes women perceive sex as a form of love, and will rationalize that a man loves them even if he truly does not. This means that Hunter can claim to love them and they'll believe it, even if we can tell he only sees them as objects.

 

[SuddenReal]

Oh, and all the blackmail... "you tell anyone and I'll show people the hidden camera footage" and at that point I am yelling at the screen "how is this a threat that works?!" seriously, at most someone is upset (not very, everyone has seen him nude, masterbated, helped him yadda yadda yadda), but the hidden cameras and footage from them is very illegal. I would be like "go for it, you'll get all the sex you need in jail, they'll forgive me".

Ah, you're thinking about the people in the game. It's everyone else. Hunter will make the footage public and send it to the people they interact with. Imagine how the people living in your street would react if they found out you're banging your entire family? That all of their friends would find out? Good luck trying to find a new place to live. As for Hunter going to prison, you'll find out more about him later on.

 

[Ecnol]

No gormless, protecting them from any criticism for literal years does. But I know reading is super hard in those early years so you can't look back at this thread before typing

I don't see darted as protecting WWG. He is mostly being nice in my opinion and letting us freeloaders know what is even going on with the development and you want to go and attack him. Dick move in my opinion. I have only seen WWG in here a few times and he was doing a fine job in defending himself. Darted I do appreciate all the info you give us Buddy hope you had a great Christmas! Hope to see your wonderful game come back one day as well!!

 

[GypsyBastard]

Ah, you're thinking about the people in the game. It's everyone else. Hunter will make the footage public and send it to the people they interact with. Imagine how the people living in your street would react if they found out you're banging your entire family? That all of their friends would find out? Good luck trying to find a new place to live. As for Hunter going to prison, you'll find out more about him later on.

Who cares? Either you just move or deal with it, getting fucked by Hunter is just a lot worse, having to deal with the shame silently never being able to enjoy life anymore because you did something that was so against your principals that you just crumble as a person. Nah fuck it, let the fucker rot in jail.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

I wonder how this news about Drew being Lucia's father will go with all the rest of the characters.
Will Drew try and protect Lucia from Hunter?
Will this motivate Hunter to try and get one of the girls pregnant?
How will Drew feel about her past?
How would Keira feel about Drew finding out? How will this affect Lucia?
Would Drew still want to fuck the girls?
How would Aliza/Ophelia feel knowing that Drew is the father?

 

[john984]

I wonder how this news about Drew being Lucia's father will go with all the rest of the characters.
Will Drew try and protect Lucia from Hunter?
Will this motivate Hunter to try and get one of the girls pregnant?
How will Drew feel about her past?
How would Keira feel about Drew finding out? How will this affect Lucia?
Would Drew still want to fuck the girls?
How would Aliza/Ophelia feel knowing that Drew is the father?

Wait 1 week

 

[SuddenReal]

Either you just move or deal with it

Except they can't move, since they don't have any money. Hunter owns the house. And what Sterling is doing in the game is dealing with it. He's doing everything he can to stop Hunter before he can pull the blackmail card.

let the fucker rot in jail.

Except Hunter won't go to jail, since he'll just disappear, like he has done many times in the past.

 

[THEBOSS23234545]

No, he just meant after he finishes PV. WWG announced 2 years ago his idea for a second game. that was the one and only time he talked about it though. PV still has CH 13 and in WWG's words, a chance for a CH 14 based on what happens in the coming CH 12.

Really hope there’s a Ch 14, not because I want more content, but because I hate the number 13 and get rly superstitious about it

 

[Bakemono695]

Man so many hot takes on the NTR storyline and Drew. It's all very interesting. Me, I'm ready to blast off to more Ophelia and Brenna. Will there be pregnancy in this coming update anyone got any info about that? I wonder if Sterling will fuck the living daylights out of Drew and then Ophelia has her sweet revenge too...... I don't mind the wait tbh because I know it'll be worth it but i hope the humour is not lost as the story progresses.....