Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[pinkie96]

Hahaha let him off the hook as usual, don’t be crying when he starts pushing yearly updates for PV and his new game.

If he was going to do that then he'd have already done it. There's plenty of devs who have proven that you can release yearly updates with only a couple of scenes and still retain subs. All without any side content being put out while they're "working on" the update.

 

[Bringbigdick]

so Star Citizen?

Pssst.... we don´t want to scare the bakers

 

[Kingkoopa97]

If he was going to do that then he'd have already done it. There's plenty of devs who have proven that you can release yearly updates with only a couple of scenes and still retain subs. All without any side content being put out while they're "working on" the update.

When have I said he isn’t working on it though?

I just haven’t been happy with how the dev time has gotten so long and the play time is roughly the same as chapter 7 or 8

Time yourself playing chapter 8 then 11 and tell me the extra 3 months dev time actually made more playable content.

It’s a fucking VN not a sandbox with routes and mini games where it makes sense the dev time runs longer.

It’s just a bad sign for the next game. But then again at this rate PV won’t wrap up for 2 years lol

 

[uscmiller22]

I might be WWG's biggest shill and defender and I'll again defend him here, but i can admit when he is wrong. Yes, he missed his estimated release date. Some people are being too harsh with him missing his GUESS. I can admit that he isn't on point when he determines when he thinks his update will drop. as a matter of fact, i can admit he misses his estimate pretty often, but that's why it's called a guess or estimate. He tried to predict the release date 3 months in advance and the worst he has to show for it is being off by 1 week (if he doesn't need more time). For every time he underestimates his release, it's always been about a week. Some people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.

I know i'll get facepalmed by the haters who can't see that the delay isn't a major deal when compared to other devs description of a delay. When you consider the amount of content and how big the update is, it's should be understandable why the game is taking so long to make. He doesn't create dates and then releases when that date comes around with whatever is finished so far. Those games that make their own once a month or other month deadline can be finished playing through in 10 to 20 minutes usually. PV will take you a good few hours and i'm expecting this next update to take most players a full day, wake to sleep to finish.

His original prediction might have been 3 months ago, but he reiterated that timeline in his last status update. He also then purposely waited until close to the very end of his deadline to announce the delay, when he almost certainly knew quite a bit sooner. At the very least, this was some pretty crappy communication. He's always had an issue with either poorly estimated timelines or poorly communicated delays, he's said plenty he hates giving deadlines then does and misses them lol. It's his full time job, he either needs to get better at understanding his workload or put more work in to hit his deadline. Think of it in a real world company setting, if I'm going to miss a deadline I gave my director; I either need to give him a heads up early on or have a good reason why it changed. Otherwise I'm in deep shit. Most people will keep supporting cause we love his game, but the guy needs to get better at this or he will burn bridges and scare off people from his new game who aren't invested in 10+ chapters.

 

[Mr. Chatty]

When have I said he isn’t working on it though?

I just haven’t been happy with how the dev time has gotten so long and the play time is roughly the same as chapter 7 or 8

Time yourself playing chapter 8 then 11 and tell me the extra 3 months dev time actually made more playable content.

It’s a fucking VN not a sandbox with routes and mini games where it makes sense the dev time runs longer.

It’s just a bad sign for the next game. But then again at this rate PV won’t wrap up for 2 years lol

I can't speak for the upcoming release but I agree with you on the assumption about previous chapters and the fact that it's mostly a kinetic novel so it clearly shouldn't take this much time unless he is prolonging his career, but I mean what can you expect from someone who talks about his next game 3,4 years before he is even going to start working on it, talk about cliffhangers and even that maybe a fake one. ATM nobody would believe he would make his next game like how he described it at that time.

 

[JabyShrek988]

Well, atleast the game is not abandoned. Can't really complaint about devs for being late in the business where many games are often left incomplete or, with weirdly rushed senseless endings. But this guy is not only continuing but improving as well as expanding the scope of his game with new characters and storylines. About this late thing, one can sure express disappointment but can't go too harsh given the dude isn't against the factory clock under our supervision, comrade.

 

[Llamamann]

I might be WWG's biggest shill and defender and I'll again defend him here, but i can admit when he is wrong. Yes, he missed his estimated release date. Some people are being too harsh with him missing his GUESS. I can admit that he isn't on point when he determines when he thinks his update will drop. as a matter of fact, i can admit he misses his estimate pretty often, but that's why it's called a guess or estimate. He tried to predict the release date 3 months in advance and the worst he has to show for it is being off by 1 week (if he doesn't need more time). For every time he underestimates his release, it's always been about a week. Some people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.

I know i'll get facepalmed by the haters who can't see that the delay isn't a major deal when compared to other devs description of a delay. When you consider the amount of content and how big the update is, it's should be understandable why the game is taking so long to make. He doesn't create dates and then releases when that date comes around with whatever is finished so far. Those games that make their own once a month or other month deadline can be finished playing through in 10 to 20 minutes usually. PV will take you a good few hours and i'm expecting this next update to take most players a full day, wake to sleep to finish.

I’m not sure you want to start comparing this to other games that have 2 month release cycles. Slippery slope, with sharp rocks at the bottom

 

[dartred]

Yeah, i don't mean to bash other games, I was just trying to say how impressive this game is.

 

[sunqian3000]

It's only a week delay, as i acknowledged, he is running late on the update, but it's only a week. It shouldn't be hard to overlook 1 week. It's not like development time is getting longer without nothing to show for it. CH 12 is going to be twice as big as CH 11 and only 1 extra month of development time. If CH 13 is twice as big again and only 10 months to develop, it's statiscally a win. Every chapters increased development time to content ratio has been a win. Sure, i get it's not a win for you personally because you don't like the jokes and think it's a waste of time, i get that. Content is content though, he isn't just sitting around doing nothing though.

Personally, I am happy to wait a little longer ,and get the ch12 version official directly. I'm in a need VPN country with poor Internet, and my hard drive hasn't been great in recent months.Download and install repeatedly. After playing the beta version, have to adjust the saves in the official version , not easy for me.I will wait patiently.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

One way that Power Vacuum is different from many other games/VNs is that each chapter of PV has a satisfying amount of story advancement for all the characters. I think this is a double-edged sword however, because where any dev might just bump something to a later chapter in order to meet a deadline, WWG sticks to his story plan for the sake of the characters.

I think the lesson here is: don't plan a Christmas release for a large update. Sure, it would've been nice timing to play the update during the holidays, but I assume WWG has real world obligations and can't be tethered to his computer for all of December. Of course I'm disappointed but I'll get over it.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

It's only a week delay, as i acknowledged, he is running late on the update, but it's only a week. It shouldn't be hard to overlook 1 week. It's not like development time is getting longer without nothing to show for it. CH 12 is going to be twice as big as CH 11 and only 1 extra month of development time. If CH 13 is twice as big again and only 10 months to develop, it's statiscally a win. Every chapters increased development time to content ratio has been a win. Sure, i get it's not a win for you personally because you don't like the jokes and think it's a waste of time, i get that. Content is content though, he isn't just sitting around doing nothing though.

I love this game and you know it, I've defended the Dev a lot of the time and really since I'm not a patreon supporter the wait doesn't bother or affect me personally in the least.

But I said this all the way back to chapter 9 or 10 release, going for double each release is an UNSUSTAINABLE model, the ratio from content and wait time of chapter 11 was good I believe, he should have stuck with that one, sincerelly just going haywire with the amount of content is bad for the fans and worse for the dev, I mean, like how's it gonna go now? you said that dev now believes that a chapter 14 is now a posibility on the table, is it gonna be 15 gigs of content and who knows how much wait time on that one?

 

[TGafy]

If there is going to be a chapter 14, then waiting two years from now for a completed tag is very likely.

 

[john984]

I love this game and you know it, I've defended the Dev a lot of the time and really since I'm not a patreon supporter the wait doesn't bother or affect me personally in the least.

But I said this all the way back to chapter 9 or 10 release, going for double each release is an UNSUSTAINABLE model, the ratio from content and wait time of chapter 11 was good I believe, he should have stuck with that one, sincerelly just going haywire with the amount of content is bad for the fans and worse for the dev, I mean, like how's it gonna go now? you said that dev now believes that a chapter 14 is now a posibility on the table, is it gonna be 15 gigs of content and who knows how much wait time on that one?

Chapter 11 was 9 months of development I believe and Chapter 12 is double in size and it's only 1 more month (10 months), it's pretty fair if you ask me. If Chapter 13 is double in content from Chapter 12 and it takes 9 to 11 months, that's also good/fair.

 

[Beardedsmith]

It's only a week delay, as i acknowledged, he is running late on the update, but it's only a week. It shouldn't be hard to overlook 1 week. It's not like development time is getting longer without nothing to show for it. CH 12 is going to be twice as big as CH 11 and only 1 extra month of development time. If CH 13 is twice as big again and only 10 months to develop, it's statiscally a win. Every chapters increased development time to content ratio has been a win. Sure, i get it's not a win for you personally because you don't like the jokes and think it's a waste of time, i get that. Content is content though, he isn't just sitting around doing nothing though.

Dart ill never understand why a smart guy like you lets WWG use you as a buffer for criticism he rightfully earns while doing absolutely nothing to improve. I understand WWG has some of the thinnest skin in the biz but you gotta stop going to bat for him when he ducks up. You act like that parent who tells the teacher their child is an angel but they're actually the school bully.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Chapter 11 was 9 months of development I believe and Chapter 12 is double in size and it's only 1 more month (10 months), it's pretty fair if you ask me. If Chapter 13 is double in content from Chapter 12 and it takes 9 to 11 months, that's also good/fair.

That's been thrown around a lot, Chapter 11 had 986 renders if we don't see double that or very close to it then we been sold a lie.

Id prefer images over animation for PV but if it ain't double from last time that's again another lie we been fed for even more dev time.

 

[dartred]

Dart ill never understand why a smart guy like you lets WWG use you as a buffer for criticism he rightfully earns while doing absolutely nothing to improve. I understand WWG has some of the thinnest skin in the biz but you gotta stop going to bat for him when he ducks up. You act like that parent who tells the teacher their child is an angel but they're actually the school bully.

But that's simply not true. Almost every chapter he improved in quality and learned new techniques. You can't say CH 6 didn't look better then 1 and CH 11 didn't look better then 6 and everything inbetween. Sure not maybe not every chapter had an improvement, but there were improvements nonetheless. Most games look exactly the same from start to finish. PV did see improvement. It's only these last few chapters where improvement has staled. You can only keep improving so much. He doesn't use me either, i'm just defending the game i love on my own accord.

 

[Beardedsmith]

But that's simply not true. Almost every chapter he improved in quality and learned new techniques. You can't say CH 6 didn't look better then 1 and CH 11 didn't look better then 6 and everything inbetween. Sure not maybe not every chapter had an improvement, but there were improvements nonetheless. Most games look exactly the same from start to finish. PV did see improvement. It's only these last few chapters where improvement has staled. You can only keep improving so much. He doesn't use me either, i'm just defending the game i love on my own accord.

I wasn't talking about his game improving. I meant him as a person.

And you do understand how simping for a dude who makes 3D porn on your own accord is worse than what I said right?

 

[HornyyPussy]

I wasn't talking about his game improving. I meant him as a person.

And you do understand how simping for a dude who makes 3D porn on your own accord is worse than what I said right?

Yes, because liking something you don't make him a simp.............where the hell do you geniuses come from?

 

[DeathIsImminent]

Before this thread gets scrubbed again, I think I'll divert the conversation to how I've recently found out why I like the Hunter scenes so much in this game. Also why I find most other NTR games boring and not really worth playing. I really like corruption. Hunter's ugliness and underhanded drugging causes the girls to give in to the lust of the moment and cast away their normal aspersions. Thus making their eventual "love" of him that much sweeter. It's the breaking down of values and rules in a person that I think PV shows so well. My favourite scene in chp.11 wasn't even with Hunter, it was with Rachida. The switch from reluctant to overwhelming pleasure and desire is really hot.

Most NTR games don't do the actual act of corruption well. I think the architect and his games also do a really good job of this though. The breaking down of purity through manipulation and emotional force. Both Devs also write the characters as believable and well-defined so when their desires are used against them to corrupt them, it hits harder. Not just random because the plot demands it. Ophelia has her care for others used against her, Brenna has her desire for trust and vulnerability used against her, etc...

It took me a while to figure out why I didn't find Ophelia's scene with Sterling as hot in chp.11 or Brenna's with Sterling in chp. 9. (In contrast to their respective NTR scenes) I've figured out it was because they both make a conscious choice to cross the line because of love and not out of overwhelming lust. Honestly, I just don't think that's as hot as someone corrupting her with his vile meat stick by manipulating their fears and desires.

In short, corruption is really hard to do well and very few devs can actually pull it off. Most just rely on the shock/taboo factor of NTR to bypass the (well-written) character development needed to truly show believable corruption. Cause that's what NTR is at the end of the day right? The desire to see the lust of a loved one corrupt them, to the point it overcomes the internal want to stay pure and monogamous, as social norms demand.

WWG does all this damn well and that's why I don't care if he takes an extra week or breaks deadlines... The man has me by the balls with his excellently crafted corruption. So I'll wait. *Shrugs*

 

[Night Hacker]

I might be WWG's biggest shill and defender and I'll again defend him here, but i can admit when he is wrong. Yes, he missed his estimated release date. Some people are being too harsh with him missing his GUESS. I can admit that he isn't on point when he determines when he thinks his update will drop. as a matter of fact, i can admit he misses his estimate pretty often, but that's why it's called a guess or estimate. He tried to predict the release date 3 months in advance and the worst he has to show for it is being off by 1 week (if he doesn't need more time). For every time he underestimates his release, it's always been about a week. Some people are making a mountain out of an ant hill.

I know i'll get facepalmed by the haters who can't see that the delay isn't a major deal when compared to other devs description of a delay. When you consider the amount of content and how big the update is, it's should be understandable why the game is taking so long to make. He doesn't create dates and then releases when that date comes around with whatever is finished so far. Those games that make their own once a month or other month deadline can be finished playing through in 10 to 20 minutes usually. PV will take you a good few hours and i'm expecting this next update to take most players a full day, wake to sleep to finish.

I would rather he took his time and get it done right. If he is too quick, than quality may suffer and people will whine and moan no matter what, so, better to just do it right, take his time, check for errors etc. It's not like we'll run out of visual novels to play while we wait.