Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[lancekro]

From what I read around here the portrait bug has been hitting different people with different portraits.
I hope What? Why? Games find a solution to this because the one I'm getting is quite unsettling, specifically during sex scenes.

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[Hermit76]

I've moved it to a better site where it's interactive. Take a look. It also includes some supporting images.

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Good work, nice!
I have two points:
Didn't Nora say that she started having sex with David, when he was 13? That would make 1996 also be a possible year for that to begin, if he was born in 1983.
And the intervall in which Annabelle (probably) bgecame ill and died can be reduced a bit. Since Nora and Keira moved in with Hunter and her in 1999, we can be pretty sure, that she was still alive in 1998. Or does that intervall mean, that she became ill in 1998 and died in 2002?

 

[GeppettoPossum]

Good work, nice!
I have two points:
Didn't Nora say that she started having sex with David, when he was 13? That would make 1996 also be a possible year for that to begin, if he was born in 1983.
And the intervall in which Annabelle (probably) bgecame ill and died can be reduced a bit. Since Nora and Keira moved in with Hunter and her in 1999, we can be pretty sure, that she was still alive in 1998. Or does that intervall mean, that she became ill in 1998 and died in 2002?

I don't think she specifically said 13. If you can find that, let me know. It's more or less been an assumption based on the dates we have. We know it happened before David met Ophelia, and we know Ophelia had Brenna at 15. If David & Ophelia were a similar age, then that means David was at most 15 when he was having sex with his mother.

Based on the estimates we have, it seems Nora is the only one who regularly had sex with underage kids (Drew from age 13 or 14, and David from age 13-15). If the threesome image from 2004 is similar to what they'd normally do, it's likely Keira was involved in some of those encounters as well. She would've been underage until 2002 or so.

Hunter didn't seem to have sex with Keira till she was at least 17-18. Lucia would've already been 2-3 years old by that point.

With regards to your second question, yes the time frame is meant to show her battle with cancer from 1998-2002, which resulted in her death.

 

[Hermit76]

I don't think she specifically said 13. If you can find that, let me know. It's more or less been an assumption based on the dates we have. We know it happened before David met Ophelia, and we know Ophelia had Brenna at 15. If David & Ophelia were a similar age, then that means David was at most 15 when he was having sex with his mother.

Based on the estimates we have, it seems Nora is the only one who regularly had sex with underage kids (Drew from age 13 or 14, and David from age 13-15). If the threesome image from 2004 is similar to what they'd normally do, it's likely Keira was involved in some of those encounters as well. She would've been underage until 2002 or so.

Hunter didn't seem to have sex with Keira till she was at least 17-18. Lucia would've already been 2-3 years old by that point.

With regards to your second question, yes the time frame is meant to show her battle with cancer from 1998-2002, which resulted in her death.

Thanks! You are right. Nora only says "teenager", which could mean everthing between 13 and 19. I have no idea what made me think "13". But since she also said "young, sweet, tender boy", I guess it's closer to 13 than 19.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

The only things we don't really have a hint for are Keira and Nora's dates of birth. If that information is somewhere, let me know. Obviously Nora would be born bef.1968 or so, but I don't have information more than that.

Regarding Nora's age, in What If #3 Keira says her mother is "pushing sixty", and if we take that to mean 55-59, then Nora was born between 1960-64.

After further... *ahem*... research, I have concluded that Nora is 55 and therefore was born in 1964. During the scene in the kitchen where Sterling eats out Nora, he remarks how young her pussy looks, to which she replies "Now compare that to the average 55 year old woman's elbow! It's night and day!" I think we can infer that Nora herself is 55, otherwise why offer that comparison?

 

[GeppettoPossum]

After further... *ahem*... research, I have concluded that Nora is 55 and therefore was born in 1964. During the scene in the kitchen where Sterling eats out Nora, he remarks how young her pussy looks, to which she replies "Now compare that to the average 55 year old woman's elbow! It's night and day!" I think we can infer that Nora herself is 55, otherwise why offer that comparison?

Good find. I've update my timeline. Guess that means Nora had David at the relatively old age of...19, lol. I still think he's older than Ophelia but we may never know.

Really hope WWG clears it up at some point. Obviously he can't just come out and say, "Nora slept with 13 year old boys." A simple clarification of a few birth-dates would clear it up.
For example, if David and Drew were both born around 1981, they'd both be a lot closer to 18 by the time Nora begins fucking them. Certainly above the AOC in most areas of the world.

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[SuddenReal]

It is strange that no one has elaborated on David's death.

That's because we have outsider information. We have speculated that David's death is foul play because we KNOW Hunter is a cold blooded bastard since we've seen how he acts in bad endings. The others, including Sterling, doesn't know what he's truly capable of. I mean, yes, they know he tried to drug them, but that doesn't mean they know he's capable of murder.

Think of it as a slasher movie. As far as they know, David hasn't return yet to the cabin because he went number two, while we know it's the killer who emptied his bowels. They're not questioning his death because they have no reason to question it, while we do, since we know Hunter's capable of killing his own flesh and blood.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

That's because we have outsider information. We have speculated that David's death is foul play because we KNOW Hunter is a cold blooded bastard since we've seen how he acts in bad endings. The others, including Sterling, doesn't know what he's truly capable of. I mean, yes, they know he tried to drug them, but that doesn't mean they know he's capable of murder.

Think of it as a slasher movie. As far as they know, David hasn't return yet to the cabin because he went number two, while we know it's the killer who emptied his bowels. They're not questioning his death because they have no reason to question it, while we do, since we know Hunter's capable of killing his own flesh and blood.

That seems like it would be an overly obvious route for WWG to take. From what we know, David had become an awfully controlling and paranoid tyrant who wouldn't have let Hunter near that house over his dead body (heh). David suddenly dying at ~36 years old would provide a convenient excuse for Hunter to re-enter the girls' lives without much fuss.

As far as I'm concerned, I hope WWG comes up with something more creative. Not that I don't think Hunter is capable of such a thing, it's just that would almost be TOO obvious of an explanation.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

That's because we have outsider information. We have speculated that David's death is foul play because we KNOW Hunter is a cold blooded bastard since we've seen how he acts in bad endings. The others, including Sterling, doesn't know what he's truly capable of. I mean, yes, they know he tried to drug them, but that doesn't mean they know he's capable of murder.

Think of it as a slasher movie. As far as they know, David hasn't return yet to the cabin because he went number two, while we know it's the killer who emptied his bowels. They're not questioning his death because they have no reason to question it, while we do, since we know Hunter's capable of killing his own flesh and blood.

I get what you're saying, but I still find it odd that none of the characters talk about David's death, if only because he was so young. Even if he died in an accident or from an illness, and no foul play was suspected, it's still a traumatic event for the family. It's as if they haven't started the grieving process, or they got through it at record speed.

Actually, I have a longshot theory that David is still alive, but I'm hesitant to discuss it. I don't want to ruin the surprise if it turns out to be true.

 

[dani367g]

in the latest chapter it won't show me certain scenes cause it says something is missing but it isn't at the same time, got me pretty confused

 

[Satou Pendragon]

in the latest chapter it won't show me certain scenes cause it says something is missing but it isn't at the same time, got me pretty confused

Do you have the MANDATORY PATCH installed because he is well... mandatory?

 

[GeppettoPossum]

I get what you're saying, but I still find it odd that none of the characters talk about David's death, if only because he was so young. Even if he died in an accident or from an illness, and no foul play was suspected, it's still a traumatic event for the family. It's as if they haven't started the grieving process, or they got through it at record speed.

Actually, I have a longshot theory that David is still alive, but I'm hesitant to discuss it. I don't want to ruin the surprise if it turns out to be true.

I agree. Especially since it happened very recently before the start of the game (a matter of weeks probably since we know he funeral was the day before). Perhaps WWG didn't want to have a such a depressing thread throughout the early game (given how this game is generally pretty light-hearted). Or it's possible there wasn't much love lost between the family and David.

Ophelia did say he was "taken from her." Was there no body to bury? What if he "went missing" or was in a fire. Some kind of accident that would make it understandable for there to not be a body. Perhaps he faked his own death? Maybe he knew Hunter was on his way and couldn't handle another encounter with him.

That being said, I'm not sure what the implications of David still being alive would be. If he shows back up, the whole family will likely be pregnant and pretty much devoted to Sterling. Maybe he'll confess to the affair with Drew and the two of them will ride off into the sunset. That wouldn't be too unrealistic of an ending for them.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I agree. Especially since it happened very recently before the start of the game (a matter of weeks probably since we know he funeral was the day before). Perhaps WWG didn't want to have a such a depressing thread throughout the early game (given how this game is generally pretty light-hearted). Or it's possible there wasn't much love lost between the family and David.

You might be right on both points, especially the latter. Ophelia and Brenna both acknowledge David's cruel behavior towards Sterling; perhaps the family had become dysfunctional in the four years since Sterling left.

Sudden thought: maybe David and Ophelia grew apart after Sterling left, and David turned to Drew for "companionship"?

Ophelia did say he was "taken from her." Was there no body to bury? What if he "went missing" or was in a fire. Some kind of accident that would make it understandable for there to not be a body. Perhaps he faked his own death? Maybe he knew Hunter was on his way and couldn't handle another encounter with him.

All possibilities, but I wouldn't read much into the phrase "taken from me/us". It means someone's life was taken, not necessarily that their body was taken. It's a common expression when talking about people who died young, whether "taken" by another person (e.g. a drunk driver) or simply "taken" by God (as in the case of an illness).

That being said, I'm not sure what the implications of David still being alive would be. If he shows back up, the whole family will likely be pregnant and pretty much devoted to Sterling. Maybe he'll confess to the affair with Drew and the two of them will ride off into the sunset. That wouldn't be too unrealistic of an ending for them.

I'm thinking something along these lines...

 

[Dmob_6438]

I said this theory many times about Hunter causing David death, but as i see y’all questioning on if he’s still alive, it makes me think, during David funeral, did the family ever opened the casket to see his body was in there cuz if not then I have a good theory on what really could have happened before he died.

Theory time: So after conquering so many families and making so much money, Hunter looks at himself and sees that he’s getting old and doesn’t have a lot of time, and before he dies, he wants his family back and complete his work as the Dioś de Sesso but he knew as long as David is around, he won’t be able to do it. So I think Hunter spied on him for a while and during the right time, he tranquilize him and called someone to help move him and he has David locked up somewhere. So in order to make sure that the family won’t try to find him, Hunter arranged to fake David death. he could say he died in a burning building or a car crashed or etc. With everyone thinking David is dead, he could slide right in their lives and full commence his plans but what hunter didn’t count on was Sterling returning home and I feel like that right there is what screwed everything up.

 

[OWSam000]

I said this theory many times about Hunter causing David death, but as i see y’all questioning on if he’s still alive, it makes me think, during David funeral, did the family ever opened the casket to see his body was in there cuz if not then I have a good theory on what really could have happened before he died.

Theory time: So after conquering so many families and making so much money, Hunter looks at himself and sees that he’s getting old and doesn’t have a lot of time, and before he dies, he wants his family back and complete his work as the Dioś de Sesso but he knew as long as David is around, he won’t be able to do it. So I think Hunter spied on him for a while and during the right time, he tranquilize him and called someone to help move him and he has David locked up somewhere. So in order to make sure that the family won’t try to find him, Hunter arranged to fake David death. he could say he died in a burning building or a car crashed or etc. With everyone thinking David is dead, he could slide right in their lives and full commence his plans but what hunter didn’t count on was Sterling returning home and I feel like that right there is what screwed everything up.

If David didn't die that Hunter faked his death, there will be too much drama in one last chapter. Unless the ending is David somehow found his way home and witness the family fuckfest which the story ends with a surprise note.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Unless the ending is David somehow found his way home and witness the family fuckfest which the story ends with a surprise note.

Lol... I imagine this picture, David ran away and is looking for a way home and now he open the door on the threshold and see how his son bangs his wife and daughters...

Cliffhanger

 

[OWSam000]

Lol... I imagine this picture, David ran away and is looking for a way home and now he open the door on the threshold and see how his son bangs his wife and daughters...

View attachment 3431365 Cliffhanger

Also his mother and sister and niece and his possible affair lover. What a scene.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Also his mother and sister and niece and his possible affair lover. What a scene.

It will be - Heart attack... just released and now retired again

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I said this theory many times about Hunter causing David death, but as i see y’all questioning on if he’s still alive, it makes me think, during David funeral, did the family ever opened the casket to see his body was in there cuz if not then I have a good theory on what really could have happened before he died.

Theory time: So after conquering so many families and making so much money, Hunter looks at himself and sees that he’s getting old and doesn’t have a lot of time, and before he dies, he wants his family back and complete his work as the Dioś de Sesso but he knew as long as David is around, he won’t be able to do it. So I think Hunter spied on him for a while and during the right time, he tranquilize him and called someone to help move him and he has David locked up somewhere. So in order to make sure that the family won’t try to find him, Hunter arranged to fake David death. he could say he died in a burning building or a car crashed or etc. With everyone thinking David is dead, he could slide right in their lives and full commence his plans but what hunter didn’t count on was Sterling returning home and I feel like that right there is what screwed everything up.

That's an interesting theory, and it certainly sounds like something that Hunter might do. However, why would Hunter bother going to the trouble of faking David's death and keeping him prisoner, when he could've simply killed him? Is it an elaborate revenge against David, where Hunter wants David alive to see him conquer the family?

 

[GeppettoPossum]

You might be right on both points, especially the latter. Ophelia and Brenna both acknowledge David's cruel behavior towards Sterling; perhaps the family had become dysfunctional in the four years since Sterling left.

Sudden thought: maybe David and Ophelia grew apart after Sterling left, and David turned to Drew for "companionship"?


All possibilities, but I wouldn't read much into the phrase "taken from me/us". It means someone's life was taken, not necessarily that their body was taken. It's a common expression when talking about people who died young, whether "taken" by another person (e.g. a drunk driver) or simply "taken" by God (as in the case of an illness).


I'm thinking something along these lines...

It will be interesting to see if they explain how things developed between David & Drew. I wonder if it happened before or after Drew's transition.

That's an interesting theory, and it certainly sounds like something that Hunter might do. However, why would Hunter bother going to the trouble of faking David's death and keeping him prisoner, when he could've simply killed him? Is it an elaborate revenge against David, where Hunter wants David alive to see him conquer the family?

Hunter might see David as the reason the family fractured in 2004. I could definitely see him wanting revenge.

An interesting point I noticed when reading through the scripts the other day was that Hunter seemed to be hinting that New Annabelle showing up would saving him from a bad lifestyle again:

"Annabelle saved me from that life once...and I just hope that I can be saved again."

Just thought that was curious. I guess he was assuming this New Annabelle would have a similar personality to OG Annabelle, in that she'd be willing to see past his deformities and vices and try to make him a better person. To me that seems to be further evidence that New Annabelle might be clone.