Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[harsha_26]

Vanilla fans would be getting the exact same content if there was no NTR. The idea that a small amount of optional content merely existing somehow ruins the vanilla content isn't something I can help with.

Thankyou. This is the answer i'm expecting from you and glad that I heard from you. Godspeed. Signing off.

 

[Ragi55517]

The Fans Here were talking about the NTR route in the game all day but i don't see that this game has one it's like one or two bad twist in every chapter .
I think the D&D game they played in the sixth chapter summarizes every chapter events while you running away from the beast you if you take in wrong turn all the girls will be the prisoner of the beast or Hunter .
So It's only need one to get bad twist in every chapter

 

[matschbirne]

I'm not an ntr fan either and am glad that all of this is optional.
i know, you as dev can't please everyone but it's still your game What? Why? Games.

i like it just like that

but what annoys me are all the negative statements from the ntr-hater in every game-thread with (optional)ntr-content.
if you don't like that...then don't play such games!!!

 

[zackjack177]

Vanilla fans would be getting the exact same content if there was no NTR. The idea that a small amount of optional content merely existing somehow ruins the vanilla content isn't something I can help with.

LIES wouldn't be the same content, I wouldnt get to shoot hunter in the head

 

[SuddenReal]

I think the D&D game they played in the sixth chapter summarizes every chapter events while you running away from the beast you if you take in wrong turn all the girls will be the prisoner of the beast or Hunter .

If I may add to that analogy: at the start of the D&D game, if you don't bother to learn the rules of the game, the girls are going to get fucked by the beast.

Good analogy, by the way, I never would have come up with that.

 

[JumboCumbo]

I have been studying this game for a while and have come up with a few potential theories.

Hunter: Is he a dog? Potentially, he has been outside a few times, Dogs also go outside. Dev please add the bestiality tag.

Hunter 2: If he is dio del sesso, then that means that other gods exist too. Will there be a war? Will hades release the Kraken upon argos? Which set of gods is it? All good questions.

Ophelia: What happened to her great grandfather. I have interpreted that he was a british-italian commander who was MIA after the Somme. Could he make an appearance? Is he the original Dio del sesso?

Eva: Double agent or Dio del love-o? We might find out in the upcoming chapters.

Is the MC his own dad?: When the MC goes back in time, he will have already banged Ophelia, so he might be his own dad if he manages to seduce her in 1999. Will be interesting how the Dev gets around the grandfather paradox.

Brenna has no vagina: What's the hold up! unless... she doesn't actually have one, this could be a good way to further her character arc. Take notes.

Anyway, lemme know what you think, if you disagree you're probably stupid so...

 

[Skode]

If the old bastard wasnt one step ahead of the game (as in hes been carefully drugging the girls and lowering their inhibitions all along) the this whole story could never have happened. Why would the MC want to fuck his entire family and they him had he not been pushed into having to get closer and more intimate with him so they dont do likewise with Hunter instead? Even half part through what we have so far he was still trying to resist temptations but now its the case that almost none of them are leaving things off the table in what is and isnt appropriate with one another regarding them and the MC. This does not negate Hunter though - if anything it means they are just as susceptible as ever, perhaps more seeing as Hunter always has a trick or two up his sleeve even drugging Brenna into thinking HE was Sterling so even his hideous exterior is no longer enough of a hindrance to his own schemes.

Sterling in himself is starting to become a Hunter is wanting to get all his cake and eat it - its one thing protecting his family and getting closer every which way he can but hes started to be a predator on them such as with Catherine as the sex ed is HIS idea, seducing Ophelia was very much a one way proposition on his part till recently as she still resists him as does his Aunt who similarly is trying to keep barriers up which he no longer considers to be there and does he NEED to try and bang Mallory, Amber or Tiffany etc? Nope but he wants to and thus he shall damn well do so despite them not really being primary targets of Hunter and not under the cosh of being homeless if Sterling outs Hunters schemes as none of them live in the house. Its a coming of age story of a Netori sex god who will fuck everyone whilst butting heads vs a scheming Netorare old bastard. I dont like NTR in general but its pivotal to this game and its story and part of the reason along with its humour that the story and the character is so engaging. Plenty of games offer hot women and loads of kinks but few are this well written and addictive and the tension and humour contrast is a big part of that IMO.

 

[Raptus Puellae]

If the old bastard wasnt one step ahead of the game (as in hes been carefully drugging the girls and lowering their inhibitions all along) the this whole story could never have happened. Why would the MC want to fuck his entire family and they him had he not been pushed into having to get closer and more intimate with him so they dont do likewise with Hunter instead? Even half part through what we have so far he was still trying to resist temptations but now its the case that almost none of them are leaving things off the table in what is and isnt appropriate with one another regarding them and the MC. This does not negate Hunter though - if anything it means they are just as susceptible as ever, perhaps more seeing as Hunter always has a trick or two up his sleeve even drugging Brenna into thinking HE was Sterling so even his hideous exterior is no longer enough of a hindrance to his own schemes.

Sterling in himself is starting to become a Hunter is wanting to get all his cake and eat it - its one thing protecting his family and getting closer every which way he can but hes started to be a predator on them such as with Catherine as the sex ed is HIS idea, seducing Ophelia was very much a one way proposition on his part till recently as she still resists him as does his Aunt who similarly is trying to keep barriers up which he no longer considers to be there and does he NEED to try and bang Mallory, Amber or Tiffany etc? Nope but he wants to and thus he shall damn well do so despite them not really being primary targets of Hunter and not under the cosh of being homeless if Sterling outs Hunters schemes as none of them live in the house. Its a coming of age story of a Netori sex god who will fuck everyone whilst butting heads vs a scheming Netorare old bastard. I dont like NTR in general but its pivotal to this game and its story and part of the reason along with its humour that the story and the character is so engaging. Plenty of games offer hot women and loads of kinks but few are this well written and addictive and the tension and humour contrast is a big part of that IMO.

if you paid attention to the flashback from the father's will... one of hunter's plans involves getting a younger male to corrupt the females and take over. what if the only way to defeat Hunter is to develop meaningfull relationshiop with every girl?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Sterling in himself is starting to become a Hunter is wanting to get all his cake and eat it - its one thing protecting his family and getting closer every which way he can but hes started to be a predator on them such as with Catherine as the sex ed is HIS idea, seducing Ophelia was very much a one way proposition on his part till recently as she still resists him as does his Aunt who similarly is trying to keep barriers up which he no longer considers to be there and does he NEED to try and bang Mallory, Amber or Tiffany etc? Nope but he wants to and thus he shall damn well do so despite them not really being primary targets of Hunter and not under the cosh of being homeless if Sterling outs Hunters schemes as none of them live in the house.

The difference between Hunter and the MC is that the MC actually shows caring for these women as people. It’s not simply that he lusts after them, but he genuinely cares for them and wants to help them. Hunter doesn’t give a damn about them as human beings with their own thoughts, feelings, etc, he just sees them as objects to satisfy his lust.

if you paid attention to the flashback from the father's will... one of hunter's plans involves getting a younger male to corrupt the females and take over. what if the only way to defeat Hunter is to develop meaningfull relationshiop with every girl?

Wasn’t that somewhat implied by the MC? That so long as these women are in love with him and therefore want only him, that Hunter won’t be able to succeed?

 

[SuddenReal]

as with Catherine as the sex ed is HIS idea

Okay, this is taken out of context. The sex ed thing is to protect her. She's curious and wants to go further, so to protect her from random strangers who'd take advantage of her, he offered to teach her the things she wants to know himself. If it wasn't for that, she'd probably have gone out and gotten raped by some guy because she was in way over her head. So the sex ed thing is another sign that Sterling is one of the good guys.

 

[Badjourasmix]

When did i said they are bad people? Did you seen me in any exclusive NTR game threads? Infact, I encourage those games to be made more, although i'm not into that kink. I only have these problems in optional NTR games. Because, the "level" of MC & villain is not the same always. In alomost all optional NTR games, MC tend to be a slow paced blue ball guy while NTR villains getting fast paced sexual level of action which i might truly enjoy (if they are on non-ntr path). This unfair justice given to the players who are not into ntr, but still wants to see quicker results like ntr is the main issue with me. Where is romance in ntr? Is it impossible for romance in NTR with antogonists? And it's impossible for Non-NTR path to see quciker results? No. You just have to have a talent to design those kind of scenes and make writing in a coherent way possible.

Wtf do you want the mc to do? Do you want him to start drugging and raping girls as well? Of course the mc will be slower he is trying to build relationships with the girls. Hunter just wants to fuck them and doesn't care what he has to do to accomplish that. I still don't get why you keep coming to this thread and what are you trying to accomplish by constantly complaining. Do you expect the dev to change his game at this point in development? If you think games with optional ntr aren't fair, just don't play them. You don't have to play every single adult game in this forum, and not every dev has to cater to your personal preferences.

 

[Skode]

Okay, this is taken out of context. The sex ed thing is to protect her. She's curious and wants to go further, so to protect her from random strangers who'd take advantage of her, he offered to teach her the things she wants to know himself. If it wasn't for that, she'd probably have gone out and gotten raped by some guy because she was in way over her head. So the sex ed thing is another sign that Sterling is one of the good guys.

That feels a stretch, shes shown several times she is more than capable of looking after herself - it seemed as far as i could tell he was spurred into it after seeing her naivety towards from a religious outlook on it not one from curiosity and its only after he has started teaching her the more fun and naughty side of life she has found herself deep diving into things like porn including imagery which reminds her of scenarios she is likely to encounter like MC and Amber which was never shown to be there before MC crossed the line.

I meant what i said - he is becoming a mini hunter but i dont think that means hes an exact clone in thinking only of his dick as yes i do concur he cares for the girls but his lusting after them isnt all entirely down to cucking Hunter, hes in it for himself as much as anything else these days. He can be there and caring for most of them without being intimate yet he was the one trying to make the aunt go all the way, the one fucking strangers in revenge plots just to bang Mallory some more and despite obviously be far from committed to any one girl still decided to pursue Amber none the less adding another into a web of lies to which she realistically could find herself very hurt if they were we to think she finds out what MC has been doing with almost all of the other girls (to degree Catherine would rather let Amber think she is a lesbian as the better of two evils to confessing her relationship with Sterling and keep to the preposterous lie about a pool boy which Amber has already found out to be nonsense from speaking to others).

When i bring up MC is becoming Hunter point people tend to get very defensive often citing what a good guy he is. My point is not that he is evil but he isnt exactly a saint anymore either - he motives were to keep the girls safe and get closer to them to push Hunter out but now he is willfully crossing every line presented before him he is allowed to any chance he can get in most cases... thats not the goody two shoes protag he started off the story as (he even cut the Wifi just to make his mom strip for him - he knows he is doing it, Hunter is calling him out on his actions and he only keeps digging himself a bigger hole). Brenna has threatened him more than once never to hurt her family again... i hope she never takes a negative perception of his active pursuing (as its not been the other way around) of their family and we know already Catherine nor Orphelia would recieve the news well to him being active with the other girls in the family. Hell Catherine is bad enough as is with Mallory and Eva related jealousy. I like the way the story has gone, its not a negative in my opinion and it makes things a bit less wishy washy and the hero of the story some Mary Sue - there is always the threat of devastating consequences for the MCs actions and not just from Hunter anymore but from his own actions taken when Hunter was nowhere in sight.

 

[DAlin van' Ducky]

Even though i'm jumping into this convo head first, with my first comment, first off, i really appreciate how engaged this game keeps you, the writing and humorous banter genuinely keep you entertained, all whilst the scenes and the animations are just exceptional. So I am not a big fan of the traditional NTR, it is interesting however i try to steer clear buuuuuut, i have gone through those routes as i'm curious, gives me a tingle down there...the NTR switch is just so you don't see the NTR yourself, but you know it is happening, so let's not keep talking about what is and isn't NTR, there hundreds of pages worth of discussions on that already, and nobody seems to be satisfied.

I do think that everybody needs to think that this is a 19 year old dude, who before this summer was scrawny with no self esteem, and generally just down on his luck for the last 4 years, most of his teens, and was thrown in a whirlpool of 'gina juices, let's be honest, of course he is going to have some desires, especially around his immediate proximity, and also...why does everyone think Hunter is only drugging the women and not MC as well? Hunter is grooming him and seeing it as a challenge.
ow many movies haven't been like that where the master pushed the apprentice in a "life or death game" to either replace him or die trying, and i think it just depends at the end if MC actually just becomes a replacement for Hunter and becomes the Dio del Sesso within his family and everyone around them or he(hopefully) gets a harem within his family based on actual, be it incestuous, but real love, feelings and all that jazz. Anyway that's my 2 cents, really.

 

[clamp360]

If disco hunter does not become canon in chapter 12 I'm gonna cry.

 

[Skode]

Even though i'm jumping into this convo head first, with my first comment, first off, i really appreciate how engaged this game keeps you, the writing and humorous banter genuinely keep you entertained, all whilst the scenes and the animations are just exceptional. So I am not a big fan of the traditional NTR, it is interesting however i try to steer clear buuuuuut, i have gone through those routes as i'm curious, gives me a tingle down there...the NTR switch is just so you don't see the NTR yourself, but you know it is happening, so let's not keep talking about what is and isn't NTR, there hundreds of pages worth of discussions on that already, and nobody seems to be satisfied.

I do think that everybody needs to think that this is a 19 year old dude, who before this summer was scrawny with no self esteem, and generally just down on his luck for the last 4 years, most of his teens, and was thrown in a whirlpool of 'gina juices, let's be honest, of course he is going to have some desires, especially around his immediate proximity, and also...why does everyone think Hunter is only drugging the women and not MC as well? Hunter is grooming him and seeing it as a challenge.
ow many movies haven't been like that where the master pushed the apprentice in a "life or death game" to either replace him or die trying, and i think it just depends at the end if MC actually just becomes a replacement for Hunter and becomes the Dio del Sesso within his family and everyone around them or he(hopefully) gets a harem within his family based on actual, be it incestuous, but real love, feelings and all that jazz. Anyway that's my 2 cents, really.

Yeah ive said many times before the game literally revealed i was right in stating Hunter is in all likelyhood trying to groom the MC in to being another him - the flashback had him taunting this was what he was gonna do and it was a historic thing for his family to do to his father and was the reason he was driven from the family despite having done nothing at the time and had zero contact with his grandfather.

As for the drugs thing. The MC is fully aware what Hunter is doing, Hunter is the reason for this. Hes the one who is offering you two drinks - one drugged and one not to decide what happens next. The one who is telling you hes drugged the shampoo and youve to sit there and not interfere. The one telling you about his hiding space behind the wall youve to sit behind and witness him attempt to ruin your mother before your eyes.

People get defensive everytime i mention him becoming a mini hunter despite the game literally stating this to be the end goal as well as the fact Hunter himself in dialogue taunts Sterling as being a hypocrite and calling him out on his actions and even recording some of it. They can argue his heart is in the right place but not all his actions can be justified these days and despite everything that has happened so far he still knows the girls cannot know about one another as they would never understand half as much as the defenders of them to them being in good faith (like cutting the wifi off to make his mother strip or deciding to teach Catherine about sex education hands on as though Ophelia could not say sit her down and explain sex instead). I like the MC, hes awesome and morally grey (just like the players are if theyre being honest lol) - its just people forget this or choose to only see what they want to see in him. There are no games ive played that come off as anything like this game and its addicting to see where the story goes next.

 

[SuddenReal]

As for the drugs thing. The MC is fully aware what Hunter is doing, Hunter is the reason for this. Hes the one who is offering you two drinks - one drugged and one not to decide what happens next. The one who is telling you hes drugged the shampoo and youve to sit there and not interfere. The one telling you about his hiding space behind the wall youve to sit behind and witness him attempt to ruin your mother before your eyes.

You seem to forget that Hunter is the one who's holding all the cards. If you actively go up against him, he will just kick everyone out of the house. And you seem to forget that despite the situations Hunter puts the MC in, he still finds a way out of it. If he was an accomplice, he'd do nothing (leading to the bad endings).

Look, I'm not denying that Sterling is getting corrupted, but he's not turning into Hunter.

 

[Skode]

You seem to forget that Hunter is the one who's holding all the cards. If you actively go up against him, he will just kick everyone out of the house. And you seem to forget that despite the situations Hunter puts the MC in, he still finds a way out of it. If he was an accomplice, he'd do nothing (leading to the bad endings).

Look, I'm not denying that Sterling is getting corrupted, but he's not turning into Hunter.

You seem to attribute protecting the girls with having to fuck them. That aint the case and hes only accelerated their descent into debauchery with his own two hands. He holds all the cards regarding kicking them out but whats that gotta do with scheming with her best pal to fuck Brenna? or try and seduce his mom who has managed quite fine to not have a sexual relationship with anyone since her husband passed or take his aunts virginity knowing full well it was gonna be recorded and could ruin her life is used against her by her stalker flat mate?

Its genuinely impressive how much your overlooking regarding Sterlings actions. Hes not interesting in being no accomplice and ive never said he was but he is becoming just like him in his actions and motivations, sure he cares for the girls much more but theyre all set to end up very hurt, likely feel very betrayed and is any of Hunters/Kevin evidence comes out against them theyre fucked up the creep without a paddle and he will have no one to blame but himself. What started off as him working out with his tampering with foot to poison the old bastard etc to keep him away from the girls has degraded fast to him trying to bang literally everyone he has ever cared about in his life and all at the same time, all secret in most part from other girls.

How can Sterling worm his way out if Hunter decided fuck it and showed Brenna's mom and sister for example the video he has of Sterling eating her out? Hes choosing not to play all his cards and thats the only reason Sterling still has a say in matters. Hunter could have banged his other daughter easily when drunk as seen in the bad ending by not telling Sterling one of the drinks was drugged or banged Ophelia without making Sterling watch behind the wall giving him a chance to counter him. He certainly didnt have to announce he had video evidence nor did he have to tell you he is gonna try and make Brenna think he is in fact you. Hes been an open book and THATS what Sterling has had chances to worm out of them. If he wanted to screw over Sterling he could do it with minimum effort and Sterling would never know what hit him but hes not, hes making Sterling into a mini Hunter as his grandson becomes more and more the Alpha shagger of the house with less and less prompting required if any at all (he WANTS it).

 

[IamJAG]

So I tried with NTR on for the first time, and the end result.. anger.

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[zackjack177]

So I tried with NTR on for the first time, and the end result.. anger.

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How dare you sir, you come here and admit to trying something you dont really like and instead of going off on a rant like an asshole you, you instead make a small nice statement and left it at that.

 

[Champ-Champ]

One point for ZackJack177!

Next up is another excerpt from the same review:



This will be a multiple choice question worth a like.

Who is the MC in a committed relationship with?

A. No one
B. Hunter
C. Baby Hunter
D. Disco Hunter from Chapter 12

WHAT DISCO HUNTER?!!