Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Ranma]

I can't help but have good laugh every time I see someone pedantically analyzing the logic of these plots, somehow expecting a freaking porn game to be the next Citizen Kane.

 

[Khan Targaryen]

My guy, you're doing what Zack just said, over analyzing a comedy porn game.
Ok then, the MC does that, then what? He goes full Mission Imposible mode on Hunter and Drew ass?
You are giving super complicated solutions to a simple game. I would understand if the MC was a tremendous nerd, but he is not, he is just a nice guy with a huge dick.
And to answer your complaint that he should learn to hack or use computers, in this last chapter, when they get rid of Kevin `` The Burger Killer '', they force him to teach them everything he knows about technology, hacking, etc...

Okay. I didn't play the latest chapter so I didn't know that. I can hop on a website full of malware and fuck my PC up in a few minutes without needing to hack, which is what I meant.

I'm agreeing to disagree. Well, goodbye!

 

[Khan Targaryen]

I can't help but have good laugh every time I see someone pedantically analyzing the logic of these plots, somehow expecting a freaking porn game to be the next Citizen Kane.

I can turn my logic off in a game that doesn't have NTR, but not a game that has it. I'll question every move the MC makes because of the threat of NTR, even when I know it won't happen.

Take twisted world for example(Really funny game, I recommend it), even though the plot is ridiculous I still laugh my ass off and wholeheartedly enjoy it. If NTR were introduced and the MC wasn't taking it seriously enough I'd be fuming in 10 minutes.

Also, what's Ranma 1/2 about? I haven't got around to watching it yet.

 

[PBS666]

How would he have enough time to do that? He just got his blackmail material in chapter 5 or 6. He'd have to rush to the bank after depositing the blackmail of the MC and Brenna onto the SD card which would be suspicious anyways. Besides, if he did that then the MC already lost.

Ok. Then forget the bank vault. Just a couple SDs, hidden somewhere at different places, including on his own body. The MC could never hope to find them.
Point is, your plot has flaws too. So I think I'll just be content with the original one.

 

[dartred]

I can turn my logic off in a game that doesn't have NTR, but not a game that has it. I'll question every move the MC makes because of the threat of NTR, even when I know it won't happen.

Take twisted world for example(Really funny game, I recommend it), even though the plot is ridiculous I still laugh my ass off and wholeheartedly enjoy it. If NTR were introduced and the MC wasn't taking it seriously enough I'd be fuming in 10 minutes.

Also, what's Ranma 1/2 about? I haven't got around to watching it yet.

but you said you turned NTR off. so if the NTR was making you question ever move, but you have it off, what was there to question?

 

[Khan Targaryen]

Ok. Then forget the bank vault. Just a couple SDs, hidden somewhere at different places, including on his own body. The MC could never hope to find them.
Point is, your plot has flaws too. So I think I'll just be content with the original one.

I didn't enjoy it, but if you do then good for you! We all have different tastes.

 

[Khan Targaryen]

but you said you turned NTR off. so if the NTR was making you question ever move, but you have it off, what was there to question?

dartred, No matter how you spin it the plot is about the MC trying to prevent NTR. Therefore, even with NTR turned off I still can't stop questioning the MC's actions and why he doesn't do this or that. I can't turn off logic with a game based on NTR. Even though I KNOW there won't be any, I still feel as if NTR will popup out of nowhere.

I will admit I over-reacted. Could the MC have done more? Yes, but even if he did it would most likely be insignificant. He's done plenty for the few weeks he's been there. If it were a few months then he would have had plenty of time to save money, gather evidence, and find a solution, and he'd be an idiot if he couldn't. The only thing he could do right now is gather blackmail on hunter and maybe plant a virus in hunter's computer, but as PBS666 said, he could have a hard drive hidden somewhere which would render that useless.

I don't like powerlessness, so that also contributed to my dissatisfaction. Anyways, as I've said, we all have different tastes. I don't like it, you do, that's all there is to it.

 

[Archonde]

I don't like powerlessness, so that also contributed to my dissatisfaction.

I don't think the MC is being powerless, rather he doesn't have time to take action and stop reacting.
Let me explain, since the beginning of the game, the MC has had to deal with all the girls' problems: Teaching Catherine what sexuality is, improving her relationship with Brenna and Ophelia, the whole problem with Lucia, etc.
And more and more girls appear, with their own problems. If he tried to act against Hunter right now, it would be like studying for an exam, when you still have a pile of homework to do.

 

[Ranma]

I can turn my logic off in a game that doesn't have NTR, but not a game that has it. I'll question every move the MC makes because of the threat of NTR, even when I know it won't happen.

Take twisted world for example(Really funny game, I recommend it), even though the plot is ridiculous I still laugh my ass off and wholeheartedly enjoy it. If NTR were introduced and the MC wasn't taking it seriously enough I'd be fuming in 10 minutes.

Also, what's Ranma 1/2 about? I haven't got around to watching it yet.

Spoiler: To answer your question about Ranma ½

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[ropershy]

I don't think the MC is being powerless, rather he doesn't have time to take action and stop reacting.
Let me explain, since the beginning of the game, the MC has had to deal with all the girls' problems: Teaching Catherine what sexuality is, improving her relationship with Brenna and Ophelia, the whole problem with Lucia, etc.
And more and more girls appear, with their own problems. If he tried to act against Hunter right now, it would be like studying for an exam, when you still have a pile of homework to do.

Ok I will agree about Hunter. But that doesn't explain MC pussing out and sitting on his hands with Kevin. The second he discovered the cam's in the bears he should have went and beat the crap out of Kevin

 

[ropershy]

but you said you turned NTR off. so if the NTR was making you question ever move, but you have it off, what was there to question?

With all due respect. I think the issue is how much a WHIMP the MC is being. I myself get why he can't do much but react to Hunter. But KEVIN the MC should have just beat the ever living tar out of him! I guess we are confused as to why give him all those Muscles if he isn't going to use them.
It seems the other part is how the girls mistreat him including his mother. When they just stood by and let his dad mistreat him. It is like the MC has no backbone at all.

 

[PBS666]

dartred, No matter how you spin it the plot is about the MC trying to prevent NTR. Therefore, even with NTR turned off I still can't stop questioning the MC's actions and why he doesn't do this or that. I can't turn off logic with a game based on NTR. Even though I KNOW there won't be any, I still feel as if NTR will popup out of nowhere.

I will admit I over-reacted. Could the MC have done more? Yes, but even if he did it would most likely be insignificant. He's done plenty for the few weeks he's been there. If it were a few months then he would have had plenty of time to save money, gather evidence, and find a solution, and he'd be an idiot if he couldn't. The only thing he could do right now is gather blackmail on hunter and maybe plant a virus in hunter's computer, but as PBS666 said, he could have a hard drive hidden somewhere which would render that useless.

I don't like powerlessness, so that also contributed to my dissatisfaction. Anyways, as I've said, we all have different tastes. I don't like it, you do, that's all there is to it.

Well, I think you take this story way too seriously. If you see it as a cartoon/comedy (like I do) where there are just silly situations that keep popping up, you might enjoy it more. Just think of Hunter as Wile E Coyote...

 

[hpshi]

i dont see a problam with taking it seriously however one should remember it is a story made by someone else and the maker gets to decide what to do with it. for exmple i would like to see the aunt and grandma (from the father side) return to make some kind of ntr reversel but i wont take it personally if the dev decide not to for whatever reason (mostly those are rare anyway for various reasons)

 

[PBS666]

With all due respect. I think the issue is how much a WHIMP the MC is being. I myself get why he can't do much but react to Hunter. But KEVIN the MC should have just beat the ever living tar out of him! I guess we are confused as to why give him all those Muscles if he isn't going to use them.
It seems the other part is how the girls mistreat him including his mother. When they just stood by and let his dad mistreat him. It is like the MC has no backbone at all.

As I have already pointed out, maybe this isn't the Wild West ? Kevin does maybe deserve to be beaten up, but the consequences for the MC could be far worse than what it's worth.

 

[Archonde]

The second he discovered the cam's in the bears he should have went and beat the crap out of Kevin

He actually was gonna beat the shit out of him, but then Kevin told him about all the stuff he had recorded of him and Aliza. Also, how he would explain all of that to Aliza, in the case he beat him anyway? The poor girl consireded that asshole as one of his only friends. So it was a No-No situation, so instead, he choosed to wait until this ball of fat tried to bite more of what he can eat. And it end up working in the last chapter.

It seems the other part is how the girls mistreat him including his mother. When they just stood by and let his dad mistreat him. It is like the MC has no backbone at all.

Like I said just now, the only girl who hated him was Brenna. Catherina was only offended and sad and her mother worried, because for them, the MC disappeared and he never gave importance to them again.
And about that they did nothing to prevent it. What do you expect from two teenagers and a woman with an abusive husband / father? In real life, hardly anyone does anything about domestic abuse in their own family out of fear.

 

[dartred]

Just want to be clear that Hunter never abused Ophelia. That's why she sees him as such a loving father. he held back all this time and waited for the right moment.

I could argue that he could have drove David (her husband) off with his tactics and had her much earlier, but then sterling would have never been born and the game wouldn't exist, etc lol.

 

[Archonde]

That's why she sees him as such a loving father. he held back all this time and waited for the right moment.

Also, when he was about to start making his way to Ophelia, she got pregnant 3 times in a row and after that, David find out everything and kick him out.
And when i said ''/father'' i was refering to David and not Hunter

 

[dartred]

ah, my mistake.

 

[What? Why? Games]

I wish games like this would let the MC be more angry and spiteful. How hard would it be to wear a wire and blackmail Hunter and the other dirtbags with their own blackmail? Oh, you set up cameras, drugged everyone, and you're blackmailing me? Oooh, too bad I got that on tape(Those are serious crimes, you could put the fuckers away for years). If the MC was more proactive rather than reactive it'd be easy to blackmail hunter(He's not THAT smart, just more proactive). There are money problems, but he could blackmail hunter to pay it off and leave.

The MC considers murdering Hunter with a gun and in an NTR ending follows through on that plan. I'd say he's covered being angry and spiteful.

And blackmailing Hunter would be mutual destruction. They'd lose the house, their social lives, and have to pawn off almost everything else.

Condemned has a point, why the hell were they upset? His father treated ONLY him like shit and they think they have the right to be mad at him for leaving. Sad, sure, but angry? Yeah, no.

They're angry that the MC ran away to the other side of the country and broke all communication with them. They're angry that he abandoned them. Catherine's character arc over the first three chapters is about her getting over her negative feelings concerning the MC abandoning her.

And Condemned's review was a source of comedy in this thread. It's hilariously off on almost every plot point. Check here or here.

That's not the problem I have with this game. The MC himself is the problem. Open the spoiler and read Condemned's review, almost everything he says correlates with what I think of the MC. The MC doesn't take the situation serious enough, he reacts to everything and never tries to make the first move. Why the hell would he let Kevin get more blackmail material than he already had? Why didn't he take advantage of the situation when Hunter was passed out to check his laptop(Probably locked, but he didn't TRY). I know that Hunter owns the house, BADIK had a similar problem with Maya's college being paid by her dad. That doesn't mean he can't TRY. The MC damn near gave up on his family when his dick stopped working, he obviously doesn't care about them that much.

He lets Kevin get more blackmail material because it doesn't make any difference at that point. Someone having three videos of you cheating on your wife isn't any different from them having a hundred. He knows Kevin is going to hate watching the MC get a blowjob from Aliza and bonus, the MC gets a blowjob from Aliza.

The MC has been on Hunter's laptop multiple times before(in the Erick storyline and Brenna's NTR event in CH 7). The MC isn't interested in finding evidence of Hunter breaking the law because it's everywhere. The MC doesn't need evidence of Hunter breaking the law. Everything Hunter does in the game is evidence. And again, that'd be mutual destruction. The MC could destroy Hunter's plan in Chapter 1. The issue is that it would also destroy their lives. The point of the game is to solve the problem without anyone knowing there was one.

And the MC was deeply depressed when he thought he was about to lose his penis. He hadn't given up on them but he admitted to having thoughts of suicide.

I've read one of your earlier post's about Lucia jerking the MC off in a cabin full of old men which furthers my complaints. Doing that puts herself in-risk, and if she doesn't care about her safety why should I? Why would I give a damn about someone who can't bother to protect themselves? I can't care about characters getting raped if they don't. I can't feel connected to characters that are imbeciles. That's another deal-breaker.


The MC let Kevin and Hunter gather MORE blackmail material, he isn't proactive, he isn't at least half-smart, he whines all the time, etc.


Why wouldn't hunter care about going to prison? If he releases pics of their family he could be sued for all his money for multiple reasons. They could easily move away and the heat would die down in a few months. But lets say all of this is dumb and won't work. If he can't blackmail Hunter he can be more proactive. Set up devices that let off a pitch only hunter's hearing aids could pick up which would prevent him from meandering into their rooms, take lessons on hacking so he could eventually get rid of all hunter's blackmail(And others), Gather blackmail/evidence of his own so he could eventually get rid of Hunter and the others, create his own account and post pictures with Eva or another willing participant like Brenna to save enough money to rid Ophelia of house debt, etc. Their are many things the MC could do that he is too stupid to figure out. He could set up cameras in hunters room to figure out his laptops password or to find any physical photos he may have.

Lucia doing that with the old men wasn't a test of her intelligence. She's mentally abnormal and in that scene unhinged. She wants to be put in compromising unprotected positions, that's been her quirk for a long time now.

One of the reasons why Hunter may not care about prison was hinted at in an NTR ending in Chapter 8. Problem is, almost all of Hunter's details are walled off in the NTR zone because I can barely have him on screen without vanilla fans complaining. Don't be surprised if the NTR character's motives don't "add up" when you have NTR turned off.

The heat would die down in a few months? They'd be locally famous and could never show their faces around there again. Small town memory is deep.

The MC is too stupid to realistically learn how to pay off a mortgage in a few months? I think everyone here falls into that grouping. And he is trying to do that at the moment with the OnlyFans account but keeps running into money problems. Also, he can't just start giving Ophelia tens of thousands of dollars. She'll have questions about how an unemployed nineteen year old is paying her mortgage. Questions that he can't answer without terrible consequences. Ophelia would want proof. The MC just saying a bunch of cryptocurrency jargon wouldn't work. Ophelia would demand to know exactly how the MC made the money.

Lol, what? I don't even have NTR turned on, so why would my problem be with NTR? I can nitpick the characters, here:


Why would Ophelia touch the MC's dick and barely reflect on it? Why would Brenna be comfortable with her brother(Who she hasn't seen in four years mind you)be okay with seeing his dick? Much less him seeing her naked. Why would Aliza have barely any guilt with her nephew eating her out? Why is Eva so easy? She supposedly only slept with 4 men but is okay with fucking the MC for a favor.


Guess what, NONE OF STERLINGS ACTIONS MAKE SENSE!! THATS MY FUCKING POINT!!! HE. DOESN'T. THINK! THIS IS YOUR AVERAGE INCEST STORY WITH A DASH OF BETA AND NTR!! THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT THIS GAME IS THE GRAPHICS/RENDERS!!


STORY is IMPORRTANT to me. This game has a half-assed story with an idiotic MC. I toss any game without a good story into the recycling bin.


DeLuca Family, Harem Hotel, BADIK, Rebirth, Where It All Began and Summers Gone all have at least ONE thing in common. A good story. DeLuca Family doesn't have any sex scenes at the moment but I anticipate it's next update because it's story is fantastic.


I didn't expect that from this game, but I at least wanted an MC that I would like. The MC is a hair-brained fool, Lucia was wants to go to the forest and strip even though Hunter could have followed them, etc. Their is no character depth in this game at all. I'd give it 3 stars if it were a VN, but constant skipping repeat scenes and grind whittles this down to a 2.

Ophelia reflects on touching the MC's dick. She rationalizes and excuses the behavior on several occasions.

Why would Brenna be okay with seeing the MC's dick? He kept getting erections during photoshoots and she took it in stride. The taboo wears off after the fifth time. She even surreptitiously took video of him when he got an erection the first time they did a photoshoot together because she thought it was funny. And of course the obvious: maybe she secretly likes it?

Why would Aliza barely have any guilt with her nephew eating her out? She did feel guilt; but she was also under the influence of several "things" and wasn't herself. She doesn't understand what happened that night but she states multiple times that she feels guilty about it.

Why is Eva so easy? She always liked the MC and was doing Brenna a favor. It's a win-win. She doesn't consider sex to be a precious thing. I don't see you asking why any MC is so easy.

Hair-brained fool? This may explain why you don't appreciate the wordplay in the game.

Explain how this makes no sense: Set up devices that let off a pitch only hunter's hearing aids could pick up which would prevent him from meandering into their rooms, take lessons on hacking so he could eventually get rid of all hunter's blackmail(And others), Gather blackmail/evidence of his own so he could eventually get rid of Hunter and the others, create his own account and post pictures with Eva or another willing participant like Brenna to save enough money to rid Ophelia of house debt, etc.


How does learning how to hack Hunters computer so he can delete the pics in the cloud and hard drive/SSD not make sense? How does learning how to give Hunter's PC a virus so he can't use it not make sense? How does tuning a device to let off a sound to hunter's hearing aids not make sense? How does gathering blackmail and/or evidence on Hunter and Co. not make sense? How does the MC making his own money instead of relying on Brenna not make sense? It's already been shown she can't manage her money(Purchasing a Juke Box, Paintings, and a Large TV).

You want the MC, a nineteen year old with an average level of computer literacy, to spend his summer learning how to hack a remote laptop and cloud servers? You know you play as the MC, right? You'd either complain about how unrealistic it is that the MC learned how to hack overnight or how there's no sex in the game because the MC spends the entire game learning a skill that would lead to mutual destruction.

The hearing aid thing would be resolved by Hunter turning off his hearing aid, researching the issue, and getting a new one that doesn't pick up the problematic frequency. It worked in the first chapter because Brenna's NTR event only represents a short period of time and only occurred in a specific area. If the MC tried to blast that frequency, Hunter would be forced to spend the time and find a solution.

By "Hack" I meant Virus. And didn't the MC already see his PC? Before he switched the drinks around? And when he showed him recordings of Brenna and the MC?


I'll agree that the hearing aid one might not work, but he didn't complain when his first batch of cameras where taken. How the hell did he manage to purchase a second batch even when he said he couldn't because of the risk being put on a watch list?

Hunter musing to himself that he'll end up on another watch list is tongue in cheek. He's referring to real criminal watch lists that he may be on. He follows it up by saying "the less eyes on me the better" as a joke about his looks. This is a comedy and Hunter is an unreliable narrator. Try not to read into things that hard. And he has plenty of avenues to buy illegal items so he certainly should have no issue procuring more cameras. Remember, Hunter is approaching this as a game. He's trying to have fun. Maybe he's too lazy to buy more in that chapter, maybe he's tired, but him rationalizing his behavior with a joke is not a "plot hole".

 

[Teach185]

The MC considers murdering Hunter with a gun and in an NTR ending follows through on that plan. I'd say he's covered being angry and spiteful.

And blackmailing Hunter would be mutual destruction. They'd lose the house, their social lives, and have to pawn off almost everything else.




They're angry that the MC ran away to the other side of the country and broke all communication with them. They're angry that he abandoned them. Catherine's character arc over the first three chapters is about her getting over her negative feelings concerning the MC abandoning her.

And Condemned's review was a source of comedy in this thread. It's hilariously off on almost every plot point. Check here or here.



He lets Kevin get more blackmail material because it doesn't make any difference at that point. Someone having three videos of you cheating on your wife isn't any different from them having a hundred. He knows Kevin is going to hate watching the MC get a blowjob from Aliza and bonus, the MC gets a blowjob from Aliza.

The MC has been on Hunter's laptop multiple times before(in the Erick storyline and Brenna's NTR event in CH 7). The MC isn't interested in finding evidence of Hunter breaking the law because it's everywhere. The MC doesn't need evidence of Hunter breaking the law. Everything Hunter does in the game is evidence. And again, that'd be mutual destruction. The MC could destroy Hunter's plan in Chapter 1. The issue is that it would also destroy their lives. The point of the game is to solve the problem without anyone knowing there was one.

And the MC was deeply depressed when he thought he was about to lose his penis. He hadn't given up on them but he admitted to having thoughts of suicide.



Lucia doing that with the old men wasn't a test of her intelligence. She's mentally abnormal and in that scene unhinged. She wants to be put in compromising unprotected positions, that's been her quirk for a long time now.

One of the reasons why Hunter may not care about prison was hinted at in an NTR ending in Chapter 8. Problem is, almost all of Hunter's details are walled off in the NTR zone because I can barely have him on screen without vanilla fans complaining. Don't be surprised if the NTR character's motives don't "add up" when you have NTR turned off.

The heat would die down in a few months? They'd be locally famous and could never show their faces around there again. Small town memory is deep.

The MC is too stupid to realistically learn how to pay off a mortgage in a few months? I think everyone here falls into that grouping. And he is trying to do that at the moment with the OnlyFans account but keeps running into money problems. Also, he can't just start giving Ophelia tens of thousands of dollars. She'll have questions about how an unemployed nineteen year old is paying her mortgage. Questions that he can't answer without terrible consequences. Ophelia would want proof. The MC just saying a bunch of cryptocurrency jargon wouldn't work. Ophelia would demand to know exactly how the MC made the money.



Ophelia reflects on touching the MC's dick. She rationalizes and excuses the behavior on several occasions.

Why would Brenna be okay with seeing the MC's dick? He kept getting erections during photoshoots and she took it in stride. The taboo wears off after the fifth time. She even surreptitiously took video of him when he got an erection the first time they did a photoshoot together because she thought it was funny. And of course the obvious: maybe she secretly likes it?

Why would Aliza barely have any guilt with her nephew eating her out? She did feel guilt; but she was also under the influence of several "things" and wasn't herself. She doesn't understand what happened that night but she states multiple times that she feels guilty about it.

Why is Eva so easy? She always liked the MC and was doing Brenna a favor. It's a win-win. She doesn't consider sex to be a precious thing. I don't see you asking why any MC is so easy.

Hair-brained fool? This may explain why you don't appreciate the wordplay in the game.



You want the MC, a nineteen year old with an average level of computer literacy, to spend his summer learning how to hack a remote laptop and cloud servers? You know you play as the MC, right? You'd either complain about how unrealistic it is that the MC learned how to hack overnight or how there's no sex in the game because the MC spends the entire game learning a skill that would lead to mutual destruction.

The hearing aid thing would be resolved by Hunter turning off his hearing aid, researching the issue, and getting a new one that doesn't pick up the problematic frequency. It worked in the first chapter because Brenna's NTR event only represents a short period of time and only occurred in a specific area. If the MC tried to blast that frequency, Hunter would be forced to spend the time and find a solution.



Hunter musing to himself that he'll end up on another watch list is tongue in cheek. He's referring to real criminal watch lists that he may be on. He follows it up by saying "the less eyes on me the better" as a joke about his looks. This is a comedy and Hunter is an unreliable narrator. Try not to read into things that hard. And he has plenty of avenues to buy illegal items so he certainly should have no issue procuring more cameras. Remember, Hunter is approaching this as a game. He's trying to have fun. Maybe he's too lazy to buy more in that chapter, maybe he's tired, but him rationalizing his behavior with a joke is not a "plot hole".

Dude pop off. Hunter is nothing more than a plot device. He is our antagonist, but also our stories clown. Nothing bad will ever really happen to Hunter, but at the same time nothing really bad will either. Most likely his end (Canonically) will be being sent to a retirement home in Florida (where he can get all the sex he wants and die from an STD), after he has failed to have sex with his family members.