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Stil996

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Ok, you are trolling.
Nope, I just judge people by their actions, it never ceases to amaze me how many people take the dialogue in these games as gospel
(Bad Guy Dialogue at that, or how many people class rivals as villains. News flash: wanting to fuck these women doesn't make you evil)
 
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You guys... seriously. This isn't some TV show where we have no access to the writers and no other way of knowing what's coming other than to interpret the episodes seen so far. We know the structure of the game, we get labeled previews from the dev, and there are regular updates and discussions with the dev with his patrons, on discord, and right here in this thread.
EDIT: Also, to be clear, I think most people calling Drew a villain mean that in a literary/videogame sense. Drew is the antagonist working against the player. It's not a moral judgement, it's about game structure. In this case, villain and rival mean the same thing. There's not much point in arguing semantics about it. Now, if someone says, "I think Drew is evil," that might be different, but let's be honest, chances are they wouldn't be talking about the NTR aspect.

Each update has two NTR scenes. In this update, one went to Hunter and one went to Drew. The objective is to protect the girls from being seduced/raped/tricked/fucked by other people. Drew fucks one of the other girls in one of the avoidable NTR scenes. That is how we know Drew is a "villain." We could speculate that by the end of the story Drew may change sides, fall for Sterling herself, or any other scenario, but as of right now, Drew is working to take girls away from Sterling and is reveling in doing so. I can't even tell if y'all are seriously debating this or just joking around, because is Drew is obviously the "new season villain" right now. It's not even a question.

As for trans content driving away fans... this is basically the same argument as the NTR stuff. My understanding is that WWG has no plans to force trans content on anyone in the canon/main plot, but clearly there will be a fair amount in the avoidable bad ends. This is not going to drive enough people away to ruin his profits, just like the NTR is not driving enough people away to hurt profits. Some people may be turned off and leave, yes, but not enough to make a serious negative impact on WWG's profits or hurt the production of the game.

WWG took a poll a long time ago, and nearly two-thirds of his patrons play the game with the NTR turned on. The NTR haters are not the majority. I think it will be the same with the trans content. Some people will love it, some people will just think it's funny, some people will be mostly neutral about it, some people will ignore it, some people will dislike but tolerate it, and a very small number of people will be so enraged by it's existence that they will stop supporting/playing. It will be a small number of people. They might be loud on their way out the door, but they will not be a significant number of people.

Look at the What If stories. Most of them are NTR, and the ideas come from suggestions from patrons which are then voted on by patrons. If there's a lean toward NTR, that's because that's what his supporters voted for. If we start getting lots of Drew related What If stories, that will mean that people are coming up with ideas for Drew and people are voting for those ideas. I'd bet anything that we'll be seeing some Drew content in the What If stories before long.
 

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about drew: I think she fully knows about the crawlspaces and will point to the girls that stirling's using them to spy (making it seem like stirling's the one who made them)
I doubt that, because in a previous chapter it has been said that Hunter did the house renovations, so Sterling cannot be accused of making them.
I am going with the idea ScareKing has, since Drew had a relationship with Sterling's dad, now (s)he wants Sterling as well, and in order to do that, (s)he will gradually make all the girls lose interest in him, either by fucking them or keeping Sterling away.
Either way, right now, Drew has come to the house to help Hunter somehow.
 

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You guys... seriously. This isn't some TV show where we have no access to the writers and no other way of knowing what's coming other than to interpret the episodes seen so far. We know the structure of the game, we get labeled previews from the dev, and there are regular updates and discussions with the dev with his patrons, on discord, and right here in this thread.
EDIT: Also, to be clear, I think most people calling Drew a villain mean that in a literary/videogame sense. Drew is the antagonist working against the player. It's not a moral judgement, it's about game structure. In this case, villain and rival mean the same thing. There's not much point in arguing semantics about it. Now, if someone says, "I think Drew is evil," that might be different, but let's be honest, chances are they wouldn't be talking about the NTR aspect.

Each update has two NTR scenes. In this update, one went to Hunter and one went to Drew. The objective is to protect the girls from being seduced/raped/tricked/fucked by other people. Drew fucks one of the other girls in one of the avoidable NTR scenes. That is how we know Drew is a "villain." We could speculate that by the end of the story Drew may change sides, fall for Sterling herself, or any other scenario, but as of right now, Drew is working to take girls away from Sterling and is reveling in doing so. I can't even tell if y'all are seriously debating this or just joking around, because is Drew is obviously the "new season villain" right now. It's not even a question.

As for trans content driving away fans... this is basically the same argument as the NTR stuff. My understanding is that WWG has no plans to force trans content on anyone in the canon/main plot, but clearly there will be a fair amount in the avoidable bad ends. This is not going to drive enough people away to ruin his profits, just like the NTR is not driving enough people away to hurt profits. Some people may be turned off and leave, yes, but not enough to make a serious negative impact on WWG's profits or hurt the production of the game.

WWG took a poll a long time ago, and nearly two-thirds of his patrons play the game with the NTR turned on. The NTR haters are not the majority. I think it will be the same with the trans content. Some people will love it, some people will just think it's funny, some people will be mostly neutral about it, some people will ignore it, some people will dislike but tolerate it, and a very small number of people will be so enraged by it's existence that they will stop supporting/playing. It will be a small number of people. They might be loud on their way out the door, but they will not be a significant number of people.

Look at the What If stories. Most of them are NTR, and the ideas come from suggestions from patrons which are then voted on by patrons. If there's a lean toward NTR, that's because that's what his supporters voted for. If we start getting lots of Drew related What If stories, that will mean that people are coming up with ideas for Drew and people are voting for those ideas. I'd bet anything that we'll be seeing some Drew content in the What If stories before long.
You moral compass is fucked up bud.
  • Sterling is the Villain here :p he knows the women are getting drugged, instead of rescuing them he is taking advantage of the situation to rape them. (Yeah he takes every opportunity to say "he respects their choice", bullshit... actions speak louder than words)
  • Hunter is another villain who is drugging the women, inadvertently setting up Sterling's conquests
  • Drew is an unknown at this stage, we don't know if she is aware everyone is being drugged, all we know is she wants to fuck them and there is nothing villainous about that.
Villains are people who make criminal schemes, fucking the same girls that you want to fuck does not a villain make.
 

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With the Drew is she/isn't she a villain discussion, I have to go on the side of she isn't. Unlike Hunter whose shown to have nefarious plans, Drew has been far more relaxed about it. Take for example when MC and Tiff get it on and Drew is there; she doesn't get upset or even show to care, she seems more intrigued then anything else. Then all the times she's flirting with mc shows she's more interested in him then the other girls or wants all of them for herself.
This is because Sterling finds out about Hunter at the beginning. When they first meet Hunter tries to pull off that nice old man routine he does for everyone else. Sterling just catches him in the act. Even in a lot of the hunter scenes Hunter just seems more annoyed that Sterling is interfering than anything else.
 

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You moral compass is fucked up bud.
  • Sterling is the Villain here :p he knows the women are getting drugged, instead of rescuing them he is taking advantage of the situation to rape them. (Yeah he takes every opportunity to say "he respects their choice", bullshit... actions speak louder than words)
  • Hunter is another villain who is drugging the women, inadvertently setting up Sterling's conquests
  • Drew is an unknown at this stage, we don't know if she is aware everyone is being drugged, all we know is she wants to fuck them and there is nothing villainous about that.
Villains are people who make criminal schemes, fucking the same girls that you want to fuck does not a villain make.
Whatever, man, whatever.
 

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You moral compass is fucked up bud.
  • Sterling is the Villain here :p he knows the women are getting drugged, instead of rescuing them he is taking advantage of the situation to rape them. (Yeah he takes every opportunity to say "he respects their choice", bullshit... actions speak louder than words)
  • Hunter is another villain who is drugging the women, inadvertently setting up Sterling's conquests
  • Drew is an unknown at this stage, we don't know if she is aware everyone is being drugged, all we know is she wants to fuck them and there is nothing villainous about that.
Villains are people who make criminal schemes, fucking the same girls that you want to fuck does not a villain make.
Sterling literally goes out of his way to stop them from eating or drinking anything drugged which is one of the reason why hunter started using the vents, which sterling isn't even aware of. He even confiscated the drugs that Tiff found.
 

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You moral compass is fucked up bud.
  • Sterling is the Villain here :p he knows the women are getting drugged, instead of rescuing them he is taking advantage of the situation to rape them. (Yeah he takes every opportunity to say "he respects their choice", bullshit... actions speak louder than words)
  • Hunter is another villain who is drugging the women, inadvertently setting up Sterling's conquests
  • Drew is an unknown at this stage, we don't know if she is aware everyone is being drugged, all we know is she wants to fuck them and there is nothing villainous about that.
Villains are people who make criminal schemes, fucking the same girls that you want to fuck does not a villain make.
At this point, I'm mostly convinced you're just joking, but for the sake of making sure no one gets confused, I'll respond anyway. Also, I don't know why you are making comments about my sense of morality when I specifically said it's not an issue of morality, but whatever.

My point was that most people saying Drew is the "villain" are probably not making a moral judgement; they are talking about the game's structure. I just don't want anyone who might be new around here getting confused about the game's design. Within the game, Drew is an agent working against the interests of the player. If you want to have a moral/philosophical debate about things, that's fine, but it doesn't change the game's design or the MC/player perspective. Yes, there's plenty of good argument to make the case that Ralph Macchio is the "villain" in Karate Kid, and we all got a great new streaming show out of that premise. I'm sure you could do the same with a lot of AVN's, this one included, but from a morally neutral literary perspective and game design perspective, Sterling is the protagonist and Drew is an antagonist.

As far as philosophy goes, Drew seems to take just as much pleasure from the thought of hurting Sterling as from having sex. Taking pleasure in someone else's pain is always a morally dark action, even if the other party is a villain. A lot of heroes that kill villains feel remorse and wish there had been another way to end things. If the "hero" kills a drug dealer and then orgasms from the sight of bloodspray and laughs as they watch the light go out of their eyes... that's not good.
 
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At this point, I'm mostly convinced you're just joking, but for the sake of making sure no one gets confused, I'll respond anyway. Also, I don't know why you are making comments about my sense of morality when I specifically said it's not an issue of morality, but whatever.

My point was that most people saying Drew is the "villain" are probably not making a moral judgement; they are talking about the game's structure. I just don't want anyone who might be new around here getting confused about the game's design. Within the game, Drew is an agent working against the interests of the player. If you want to have a moral/philosophical debate about things, that's fine, but it doesn't change the game's design or the MC/player perspective. Yes, there's plenty of good argument to make the case that Ralph Macchio is the "villain" in Karate Kid, and we all got a great new streaming show out of that premise. I'm sure you could do the same with a lot of AVN's, this one included, but from a morally neutral literary perspective and game design perspective, Sterling is the protagonist and Drew is an antagonist.

As far as philosophy goes, Drew seems to take just as much pleasure from the thought of hurting Sterling as from having sex. Taking pleasure in someone else's pain is always a morally dark action, even if the other party is a villain. A lot of heroes that kill villains feel remorse and wish there had been another way to end things. If the "hero" kills a drug dealer and then orgasms from the sight of bloodspray and laughs as they watch the light go out of their eyes... that's not good.
Sterling is the protagonist and Drew is an antagonist.
It may sound like pure semantics, but there's a great point...
 

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Regarding the vents. Dartred had suggested that there is a gas leak in the house, which there was a reference to, but it was Sterling making an off-hand comment about why everyone was acting crazy. It was suggested that this may be a way of WWG getting around Patreon's TOS (it's not rape if everyone is crazy due to a gas leak). Technically, I don't think the game actually states outright what is happening. Put together with Sterling's comments about wondering what Drew's plan is and why it looks like Drew isn't doing anything, my interpretation was that it was an intentional "horny-gas" attack by Drew, and that Drew's plan is basically, "sit back and let them all get horny from the gas until they're ready to jump on anyone they see, including me!" Drew is building a lazy-river of sex, where she can just relax and let the sex happen. It may be that whatever the original intent was, WWG left it ambiguous on purpose because of the Patreon TOS issues.
 

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At this point, I'm mostly convinced you're just joking, but for the sake of making sure no one gets confused, I'll respond anyway. Also, I don't know why you are making comments about my sense of morality when I specifically said it's not an issue of morality, but whatever.
There are elements of humor in my posts (or attempts), but the underlying points stand as true.
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My point was that most people saying Drew is the "villain" are probably not making a moral judgement; they are talking about the game's structure.
Point #1
"Villain" is a definitely a moral designation, it is integral to it's meaning, perhaps I'm being unfair to those who have a poorer understanding of the English language, perhaps if they knew better they would have used words like "Antagonist" or "Rival" or "Competition".
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I just don't want anyone who might be new around here getting confused about the game's design. Within the game, Drew is an agent working against the interests of the player.
Point #2
Drew is an unknown at this point, all you have is Hunters word about her purpose being here. If I were Hunter and I had 2 enemies in the house, I'd tell each of them that the other was my friend, to stop them joining forces, but that's just me, who knows if Hunter thought of that. And who knows what Drews agenda is, I certainly don't, I'll find out as the story develops.
Point #3
(Wanting to fuck the same women you do does not make her evil)
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If you want to have a moral/philosophical debate about things, that's fine,
I'm not the one who brought moral designations into this, speak to those who love the "villain" label.
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but it doesn't change the game's design or the MC/player perspective. Yes, there's plenty of good argument to make the case that Ralph Macchio is the "villain" in Karate Kid, and we all got a great new streaming show out of that premise. I'm sure you could do the same with a lot of AVN's, this one included, but from a morally neutral literary perspective and game design perspective, Sterling is the protagonist and Drew is an antagonist.
That Karate Kid reference went over my head, I have no idea where you were going with that. I suspect the villain of the original Movie has had a spinoff and he is now the "protagonist", (or "hero" to people who don't know what the word "hero" means)

I'm glad someone knows the words Protagonist/Antagonist,
Protagonists aren't necessarily heroes, Antagonist aren't necessarily Villains. See point #1
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As far as philosophy goes, Drew seems to take just as much pleasure from the thought of hurting Sterling as from having sex. Taking pleasure in someone else's pain is always a morally dark action,
Maybe, such absolutes are always dangerous in philosophy.

Not sure I know where you you are getting that from, I must have missed the part where that came up.

Wanting Sterling to be in pain is justified, He is a little bitch who knowingly takes advantage of drugged women while laying claim to the moral high ground, I want him in pain, does that make me a villain?

PS this isn't about noncon content I have several noncon fantasies, it's hypocrites I don't like, if you are going to be the good guy then be the good guy, In real life I'd get those women a hospital even if I had to abduct them (that's what good guys do BTW when they think someone has been roofied). I would remove Hunter even if I had to slit his throat at the breakfast table, he would NOT have the opportunity to achieve his goals once I became aware of them (police would probably be my first option though).
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even if the other party is a villain. A lot of heroes that kill villains feel remorse and wish there had been another way to end things. If the "hero" kills a drug dealer and then orgasms from the sight of bloodspray and laughs as they watch the light go out of their eyes... that's not good.
Nothing in my Post was trying to promote any kind of moral content, I was arguing against superficial assumptions nothing more.
 

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"horny-gas" attack by Drew, and that Drew's plan is basically, "sit back and let them all get horny from the gas until they're ready to jump on anyone they see, including me!" Drew is building a lazy-river of sex, where she can just relax and let the sex happen.
Good observation because it seem like Drew wouldn't mind
 

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Sterling is the Villain here :p he knows the women are getting drugged, instead of rescuing them he is taking advantage of the situation to rape them. (Yeah he takes every opportunity to say "he respects their choice", bullshit... actions speak louder than words)
I am getting tired of playing with you.
Here is what you said! Sterling is the villain? HE IS THE FUCKING PROTAGONIST OF THE GAME! Blame the dev if Sterling's actions hurt your sensibility.
 

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I'm thinking Drew is either not aware of the gas, or is not relying on it. Presumably Hunter rigged the AC when he had it repaired, and it's set up to periodically release the gas into the house. I seem to recall Hunter saying something like Drew didn't need such gimmicks because she was so good at seduction. This is supported by the NTR scene with Drew and Tiff at the spa, far from the influence of the gas.
 

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Question at the end of chapter Sterling
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why did he do this? or was it quip about getting drew to help him?
This is just my guess. Since Drew is giving it to his dad in the ass, he hopes it was big to make his dad suffer. Since he now knows his dad was cheating on his mom. I don't think it was a case of him hoping it was big because he wants some of it.
 

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I am getting tired of playing with you.
Here is what you said! Sterling is the villain? HE IS THE FUCKING PROTAGONIST OF THE GAME! Blame the dev if Sterling's actions hurt your sensibility.
yeah he's the "protagonist", not a "hero" learn the difference.
 
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