Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[fraisiday]

Thanks dartred. For your game and your Support in the foren

 

[Solarous]

You are focusing on the most USELESS details! Are you a Sheldon Cooper clone? You are correcting everyone on everything, grammar, semantic, perception.

I like that we can discuses about game but, while I dont mind being corrected but when its nitpicking thats a sure sign of trolling

 

[Maveric]

I would like to ask for a save on the chapter 9 where continue where i left off starting for chapter 10

 

[hibc4]

I would like to see a what if with Catherine in Amber similar to their bad end

 

[dartred]

You mean just a repeat of them with Hunter in their room?

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

I like that we can discuses about game but I dont want this too get too out of hand, while I dont mind being corrected but when its nitpicking thats a sure sign of trolling

Of course it is a sign of trolling!

 

[Solarous]

Of course it is a sign of trolling!

yeah you said it earlier and im convinced

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Of course it is a sign of trolling!

When people discuss story writing, communicating is more effective when they use the appropriate vocabulary. I know most people don't visit porn forums to get educated, by why are you so resistant? When someone corrects you, try thanking them and moving on, instead of being willfully ignorant.

Villain protagonists are common, e.g. The Godfather, Saga of Tanya the Evil, God of War, etc.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

When people discuss story writing, communicating is more effective when they use the appropriate vocabulary. I know most people don't visit porn forums to get educated, by why are you so resistant? When someone corrects you, try thanking them and moving on, instead of being willfully ignorant.

Villain protagonists are common, e.g. The Godfather, Saga of Tanya the Evil, God of War, etc.

You are missing the point.
I am getting tired but I will tell you what this is all about: all this charade is happening because we are using the word "Villain" referring to Hunter and Drew, instead of "Antagonist".
This is not a Court of Law where every single word, and the way you use it, matters; is a forum where we are talking about a fucking porn game.
There is absolutely no need to correct every single word used nor the perception we have about the characters in the game.

 

[storm1051787]

When people discuss story writing, communicating is more effective when they use the appropriate vocabulary. I know most people don't visit porn forums to get educated, by why are you so resistant? When someone corrects you, try thanking them and moving on, instead of being willfully ignorant.

Villain protagonists are common, e.g. The Godfather, Saga of Tanya the Evil, God of War, etc.

All of those are pretty clear that the protagonist is not a good person and is a villain. In the case of God of war it's somewhat gray but plot still doesnt try to justify everything the charater does. It even admits that what he did was wrong in the sequels. But to me arguing that Sterling is somehow a villain protagonist is just ridiculous to me. I can agree that he's not a hero but he never does anything to make him a villain either. When he does something wrong he gets punished for it and shows remorse. With how much Still is ignoring and context and information for the sake of his argument, I'd say he's either trolling or simply just arguing in bad faith because he prefers villain protagonists and corruption games.



To me it's not even about the semantics. Sterling is not a villain. I don't mean he's not an antagonist I mean he's not a villain. Period. Hunter is an irredeemable villain and all evidence points to the idea that Drew is helping Hunter which also makes them a villain. They are both antagonist and villains. It's that simple. Not being a hero doesnt mean you suddenly become a villain.

 

[Stil996]

You are missing the point.
I am getting tired but I will tell you what this is all about: all this charade is happening because we are using the word "Villain" referring to Hunter and Drew, instead of "Antagonist".
This is not a Court of Law where every single word, and the way you use it, matters; is a forum where we are talking about a fucking porn game.
There is absolutely no need to correct every single word used nor the perception we have about the characters in the game.

try to get the facts right, but while we are educating you about words, look up "hyperbole".

I Argued

• Against the use of Villain for Drew because she is an unknown
• Against taking Hunters word as Gospel
• Against using Protagonist as a synonym of "Hero", "Good"

 

[krollmeister]

well this game doesn't have routes. You can slightly choose what person to visit first, but they all must be visited to move to the next chapter and no choices in those visits to set you in a different path. So pretty kinetic.

true, however i can still get the girls/events im not interested in out of the way first so i dont mind it, plus the game is still fun regardless

 

[storm1051787]

try to get the facts right, but while we are educating you about words, look up "hyperbole".

I Argued

• Against the use of Villain for Drew because she is an unknown
• Against taking Hunters word as Gospel
• Against using Protagonist as a synonym of "Hero", "Good"

You argued that


A) Drew isn't a villain because they havent dne anything to prove otherwise, depsite multiple events in this chapter and dialouge suggesting otherwise.


B) that Hunter is lying which doesn't make anysense because He was the one who invited Drew. That Drew essentially just disappeared off the face of the earth, and hasnt had contact with the rest of the family minus Hunter for at least 15 years. It would actually make more sense to argue that Drew is lying to Hunter than to suggest that Hunter is lying to Sterling. The only other suggestion is that Drew just decided out of the flew to visit Ophelia after not speaking to them in years and somehow Hunter over a week before anyone else in the family did. And still doesn't explain why Drew tried to seperate sterling from everyone



C) and C that Sterling is a villain because he takes advantage of women while drugged which has never been the case in any of the scenes. And that he's not "rescuing them" even though the game explains early on why he can't just expose Hunter and Kick him out. If it was possible Sterling would have kicked him out in the first chapter. He was completely repulsed at the idea of getting intimate with anyone of them at the start. The best he can do is sabotage hunter, which is the entire reason why Drew is here, because Hunter asked for help.



No matter what you have to outright ignore information to try to make your point

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

try to get the facts right, but while we are educating you about words, look up "hyperbole".

I Argued

• Against the use of Villain for Drew because she is an unknown
• Against taking Hunters word as Gospel
• Against using Protagonist as a synonym of "Hero", "Good"

I am getting tired of this shit.
1. Drew was called by Hunter (a fucking villain) for back up, so she definitely is up to no good (there are countless scenes that suggest this).

2. What is the point for Hunter to lie about Drew or lie in general?
In every bad end he kept his promises!
If Drew is a good person why call him/her for backup in the first place?
If Drew is a good person why the hell in the bad end (and I repeat, BAD END) she fucks Tiff knowing that she is Sterling's first love?
Why she never let Sterling be with them when she is talking to the girls?
A good person will never do that!

3. Never defined Sterling as a Hero in the literal meaning of the word, but surely is not a villain! Don't forget that even Sterling is under the effect of the many drugs Hunter is putting in the food and in the vents. In the dynamic of the game and the story, he is doing what he can to protect the girls from Hunter and Drew! You can argue that in a story the "hero" will never bang his own family in order to protect them, but if this is first of all a porn game, otherwise there would be no porn game at all, but just a Visual Novel that tells you a normal story.

 

[Stil996]

You argued that


A) Drew isn't a villain because they havent dne anything to prove otherwise, depsite multiple events in this chapter and dialouge suggesting otherwise.

Bullishit. I don't know or care whether she is a villain (I'll learn that as the story develops), I said she is an UNKNOWN, (suggesting isn't proving)
And yeah I know some of you will claim her fucking "our" girls makes her so, I disagree.

B) that Hunter is lying which doesn't make anysense because He was the one who invited Drew. That Drew essentially just disappeared off the face of the earth, and hasnt had contact with the rest of the family minus Hunter for at least 15 years. It would actually make more sense to argue that Drew is lying to Hunter than to suggest that Hunter is lying to Sterling. The only other suggestion is that Drew just decided out of the flew to visit Ophelia after not speaking to them in years and somehow Hunter over a week before anyone else in the family did. And still doesn't explain why Drew tried to seperate sterling from everyone

Hunter is the Bad Guy do we agree on this??

1. Therefore anything he says is suspect, (The best Lies have elements of the truth)
2. Him believing he knows Drew motives doesn't make it so (I have no reason to believe yet Drew is Hunters Puppet)

I'm not trying to prove anything I am merely arguing against assumptions, particularly assumptions based on in game conversations with the antagonist.

C) and C that Sterling is a villain because he takes advantage of women while drugged which has never been the case in any of the scenes. And that he's not "rescuing them" even though the game explains early on why he can't just expose Hunter and Kick him out. If it was possible Sterling would have kicked him out in the first chapter. He was completely repulsed at the idea of getting intimate with anyone of them at the start. The best he can do is sabotage hunter, which is the entire reason why Drew is here, because Hunter asked for help.

I will concede "Villain" may be a poor choice of words to describe Sterling (there is nothing to establish his level of awarness in this regard), I'd say he is a pussy, a little bitch, a coward, he is no way shape or form a "Hero".
(and Yeah, I know he needs to be like this for a porn game to happen)

BTW, I love how limited your imagination is , "nothing he could do?" .... lmao, like a good person wouldn't be willing to go to prison for killing the guy who was going to rape and enslave his loved ones.

No matter what you have to outright ignore information to try to make your point

My point was never that complicated and didn't need to ignore anything to make it.

 

[Stil996]

... Don't forget that even Sterling is under the effect of the many drugs Hunter is putting in the food and in the vents. ....

You finally made a good point, that hadn't occurred to me.

Nice to see you not using hyperbole this time

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

You finally made a good point, that hadn't occurred to me.

Nice to see you not using hyperbole this time

And yet you are ignoring all the rest I said...... good.

 

[Stil996]

And yet you are ignoring all the rest I said...... good.

I already answered it in my reply to Storm, didn't see any point in spamming the thread #14,018

 

[Heavy Sleeper]

Bullishit. I don't know or care whether she is a villain (I'll learn that as the story develops), I said she is an UNKNOWN, (suggesting isn't proving)
And yeah I know some of you will claim her fucking "our" girls makes her so, I disagree.

Hunter is the Bad Guy do we agree on this??

1. Therefore anything he says is suspect, (The best Lies have elements of the truth)
2. Him believing he knows Drew motives doesn't make it so (I have no reason to believe yet Drew is Hunters Puppet)

I'm not trying to prove anything I am merely arguing against assumptions, particularly assumptions based on in game conversations with the antagonist.


I will concede "Villain" may be a poor choice of words to describe Sterling (there is nothing to establish his level of awarness in this regard), I'd say he is a pussy, a little bitch, a coward, he is no way shape or form a "Hero".
(and Yeah, I know he needs to be like this for a porn game to happen)

BTW, I love how limited your imagination is , "nothing he could do?" .... lmao, like a good person wouldn't be willing to go to prison for killing the guy who was going to rape and enslave his loved ones.


My point was never that complicated and didn't need to ignore anything to make it.

just to make sure, you ignore all the dialog in the bad end to make your point that "drew is unknown" right? if so than we really can't change your mind.


Tiff: "don't mention him!"
Drew: "How can I not? I just stole his beloved"
and then the bad end robot says "it seems Tiff found love with someone else"

But that still leaves her in the unknown somehow?

 

[PBS666]

D/l the PC version of Ch 10, unzip it and then just merge the game folder into the game folder of the earlier full version (1-9).

Take care when doing this. It's a different Ren'Py version. Might cause problems. I advise to make a duplicate of the full game first.