Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[panzermaster]

This idea is sort of fun, but I think it would be better as a wallpaper or one of the new "dream scenes".

Personally, my enjoyment of the characters comes not only from how they look, but also their personalities and story arcs. If you undo all of the events and experiences we've seen the characters go through and place them into a different context, you dilute their concepts and they essentially become different characters, in which case you might as well make an entirely new game with new characters.

I can see why it might not be your thing. It was an attempt at exploring a new fetish while also keeping the characters that we know and love while also remaining simple. But I can see how this could be a bit dissapointing if we undo everything.

Let's go for something else then :

What if Sterling decide to expand his harem beyond his circle and family after the end?​

It's an hypothetic epilogue. Sterling after becoming the king of his harem decides to "expand" his list of conquest infiltrating a prestigious university. He makes sure that :

- Ophelia becomes the strict principal that forbids any sex between students or teacher except when Sterling is involved

- Brenna becomes the leader of the cheerleader that acts like an absolute tease to other male student but never give them anything other than allowing them to look at her.

- Catherine and Amber are the cute nice student at the head of school clubs that are forbidden treasure to their male members,

- Aliza and Mallory becomes the unreachable milf teachers for their horny male student

- The indian nurse becomes the school nurse making sure that Ophelia rules are respected, etc.

With his agents in every part of the school, he get to slowly have complete control while taking away from the other guys the most beautiful girl of the school and keeping them only for himself.

 

[Nessiah]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

Yeah only one futa what if. I am hoping for more tho especially featuring Drew

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What if Sterling decide to expand his harem beyond his circle and family after the end?

It's an hypothetic epilogue. Sterling after becoming the king of his harem decides to "expand" his list of conquest infiltrating a prestigious university. He makes sure that :

- Ophelia becomes the strict principal that forbids any sex between students or teacher except when Sterling is involved

- Brenna becomes the leader of the cheerleader that acts like an absolute tease to other male student but never give them anything other than allowing them to look at her.

- Catherine and Amber are the cute nice student at the head of school clubs that are forbidden treasure to their male members,

- Aliza and Mallory becomes the unreachable milf teachers for their horny male student

- The indian nurse becomes the school nurse making sure that Ophelia rules are respected, etc.

With his agents in every part of the school, he get to slowly have complete control while taking away from the other guys the most beautiful girl of the school and keeping them only for himself.

I like where you're going with this but I think it needs adjustments to be more plausible, because as everybody knows: verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games!

While Ophelia is obviously a dominant personality in the household and that would correlate to being an authority figure like a principal, she doesn't have the necessary education or credentials for such a job. The obvious path is for Ophelia to enroll in college alongside Sterling, which sets her up for growth and potential romantic conflict.

Brenna is currently in college (I think?), so having her as a peer/upperclassman to Ophelia and Sterling could be an interesting dynamic, very much a role-reversal compared to their household situation.

Aliza is already a high school teacher, but perhaps she could switch to teaching college, or even as an additional job to her current one?

I don't think we know what Mallory's professional background is (if any?). With how she presents herself as polished and refined, I could maybe see her in the principal job.

Also, a college setting might be inconsistent with the theme of this game. The titular "power vacuum" comes from the loss of the male head-of-household, with Sterling and Hunter competing to become the new one. Presumably in college there would be too many males i.e. too many threats for Sterling to thwart? Unless it was an all-girls school, in which case you'd need to contrive some reason for Sterling to be there?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Is the what-if extra chapter the only real futa content in the game as of right now? And if that is the case is there potential for more of that kind of stuff in future? Since I'm only here for the futa tag.

Yeah only one futa what if. I am hoping for more tho especially featuring Drew

Yes, there's only one What If featuring futa, but also several scenes involving a futa character in the later chapters of the main game. They're great scenes, but only a small percentage of the game so if you're looking for futa-focused content, this game might not be for you.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Yes, there's only one What If featuring futa, but also several scenes involving a futa character in the later chapters of the main game. They're great scenes, but only a small percentage of the game so if you're looking for futa-focused content, this game might not be for you.

Nah I love the game

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Nah I love the game

Not you, silly, Nessiah who asked the question!

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Not you, silly, Nessiah who asked the question!

Aw ryt lol

 

[panzermaster]

I like where you're going with this but I think it needs adjustments to be more plausible, because as everybody knows: verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games!

While Ophelia is obviously a dominant personality in the household and that would correlate to being an authority figure like a principal, she doesn't have the necessary education or credentials for such a job. The obvious path is for Ophelia to enroll in college alongside Sterling, which sets her up for growth and potential romantic conflict.

Brenna is currently in college (I think?), so having her as a peer/upperclassman to Ophelia and Sterling could be an interesting dynamic, very much a role-reversal compared to their household situation.

Aliza is already a high school teacher, but perhaps she could switch to teaching college, or even as an additional job to her current one?

I don't think we know what Mallory's professional background is (if any?). With how she presents herself as polished and refined, I could maybe see her in the principal job.

Also, a college setting might be inconsistent with the theme of this game. The titular "power vacuum" comes from the loss of the male head-of-household, with Sterling and Hunter competing to become the new one. Presumably in college there would be too many males i.e. too many threats for Sterling to thwart? Unless it was an all-girls school, in which case you'd need to contrive some reason for Sterling to be there?

Well I disagree on that and I would even say (and PLZ don't take this personnal) you're becoming a bit too picky and quite difficult.

The pillz that make Ophelia grow a Penis because she was pregnant with a boy and the pills made these 2 individual combines into one. And whenever she cum inside a woman her seed acts nearly like a mind control device that make any woman subversient to her immediatly... None of that is plausible because this is clearly going into science fiction territory which the main game isn't.

And that is precisely the point of a What if? It is to no longer be bound by the rules that a real chapter needs to, to not be bothered to follow what happened before. It is to go wild and completely crazy.

But if you want an easy reason for Ophelia to become principal, just make it clear that Sterling became a multi billionaire (how he got the money does not matter) and he has the ressources to put her in charge of that college or unniversity. Same thing for Mallory becoming a teacher of whatever would fit her more.

Also you forget that this an EPILOGUE, like it is something that happens AFTER Sterling is at the top of his game and there is no longer any threats to him. Just like What if? chapter 3 where Sterling does not have any ennemies in sight and can just take any new women he wants. No need for a "threat" or a rival in that specific what if?.

The power vacuum in this case is that there isn't any king in that College and Sterling is about to fill that Vacuum from his position of power.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Well I disagree on that and I would even say (and PLZ don't take this personnal) you're becoming a bit too picky and quite difficult.

Fair enough, and no offense taken. I thought my sarcasm would've been obvious from my absurd statement "verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games" and the tongue emoji, but no worries buddy.

I like Power Vacuum because it straddles a line between grounded and far-fetched; I can suspend my disbelief to a point but if there are too many leaps-of-logic then I lose immersion. Perhaps I do get over-analytical but I'm not trying to dictate anyone's fantasy, I apologize if I came across that way.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

How many of the what if's did the gils get pregnant?
Which girls and by who?

 

[panzermaster]

Fair enough, and no offense taken. I thought my sarcasm would've been obvious from my absurd statement "verisimilitude is extremely important in porn games" and the tongue emoji, but no worries buddy.

I like Power Vacuum because it straddles a line between grounded and far-fetched; I can suspend my disbelief to a point but if there are too many leaps-of-logic then I lose immersion. Perhaps I do get over-analytical but I'm not trying to dictate anyone's fantasy, I apologize if I came across that way.

No offense taken, But I would only say that I totally understand your point when it comes to the main game or main chapter...

But when it goes what if?, I am not exactly sure how a story where a woman after ingesting a pill obtains the genital of a man. And she gets it because she was pregnant with a boy and the pills made the 2 human being combine together... And now her penis acts like a nearly litteral mind controler that make any women fall in love with her and subversient to her the moment she releases her seed inside their womb... This is clearly science fiction

How apparently this is grounded and not too far fetched... BUT Ophelia becoming principal and mallory becoming a teacher are apparently too many leaps in logic?...

My point is not to make you uncomfortable I am just very curious.

 

[SuddenReal]

How apparently this is grounded and not too far fetched... BUT Ophelia becoming principal and mallory becoming a teacher are apparently too many leaps in logic?...

Okay, let me chime in for a second. First of all, let me get a water sprayer and say "No! Bad Panzermaster!", not because your idea is bad, but because it's too much. What ifs aren't full games, they're not even games technically. It's just a couple of scenes. What you're describing (twice) is an entire new game, with new goals and new stories.

Now we have that out of the way, let me put down the water sprayer and tell you why your idea is bad. What ifs come from a simple premise, how far fetched it may seem. It has a simple explanation. It can be summarized in a single sentence. It's simply "what if I went left instead of right". What you're describing is something entirely new, just with the same characters. It's not a what if, it's a re-imagining, a complete ret-con of the established story. What you're describing isn't "what if there suddenly was a zombie apocalypse" but "what if the setting was a zombie apocalypse". One happens during the story, the other is already happening as the story starts. See the difference?

So, basically, while your ideas aren't bad, it's just not for this concept. As a game, I could see it work. As a stand alone, it's just too much and too jarring from the original premise.

 

[Grey Wolf 73]

Okay, let me chime in for a second. First of all, let me get a water sprayer and say "No! Bad Panzermaster!", not because your idea is bad, but because it's too much. What ifs aren't full games, they're not even games technically. It's just a couple of scenes. What you're describing (twice) is an entire new game, with new goals and new stories.

Now we have that out of the way, let me put down the water sprayer and tell you why your idea is bad. What ifs come from a simple premise, how far fetched it may seem. It has a simple explanation. It can be summarized in a single sentence. It's simply "what if I went left instead of right". What you're describing is something entirely new, just with the same characters. It's not a what if, it's a re-imagining, a complete ret-con of the established story. What you're describing isn't "what if there suddenly was a zombie apocalypse" but "what if the setting was a zombie apocalypse". One happens during the story, the other is already happening as the story starts. See the difference?

So, basically, while your ideas aren't bad, it's just not for this concept. As a game, I could see it work. As a stand alone, it's just too much and too jarring from the original premise.

I was in the middle of trying to explain, using world-building and other mechanics, the exact same thing you just did.
And your version was far better(and easier to read) than mine. Thank you.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

This is clearly science fiction

There was an attempt to explain it with CRISPR and whatnot, so it was a bit more plausible than say, a magical curse or something, but you make a fair point that it was very much sci-fi.

 

[panzermaster]

Okay, let me chime in for a second. First of all, let me get a water sprayer and say "No! Bad Panzermaster!", not because your idea is bad, but because it's too much. What ifs aren't full games, they're not even games technically. It's just a couple of scenes. What you're describing (twice) is an entire new game, with new goals and new stories.

Now we have that out of the way, let me put down the water sprayer and tell you why your idea is bad. What ifs come from a simple premise, how far fetched it may seem. It has a simple explanation. It can be summarized in a single sentence. It's simply "what if I went left instead of right". What you're describing is something entirely new, just with the same characters. It's not a what if, it's a re-imagining, a complete ret-con of the established story. What you're describing isn't "what if there suddenly was a zombie apocalypse" but "what if the setting was a zombie apocalypse". One happens during the story, the other is already happening as the story starts. See the difference?

So, basically, while your ideas aren't bad, it's just not for this concept. As a game, I could see it work. As a stand alone, it's just too much and too jarring from the original premise.

And my explanation are too Long? you know I only gave details to make it more appealing but in truth I can summarise them much more shortly if you prefer :

1. What if Sterling wake up and realise that him having a harem was all a dream. And when waking up he realise he not only does not have a huge dong, but also the government mandates that him and his family to participate in an efforts against racism (Interacial + Netorare).

(You can remove the dream part and have him lose his manly hood in other ways if you prefer. You know what let's make it shorter now and it would no longer be a retcon)

1. What if Sterling loses his manhood and just afterward, the goverment mandates that his family socially participates in an efforts against racism? (Interracial + netorare)

2. What if Sterling after establishing his Harem in his house and becoming rich decided to expands by infiltrating a college with his girls and keeping all the beautifull women only for himself? (Harem + Netori).

Are the description short enough for you? None of these 2 scenario needs to be overly long, you can easily estalbish that Stelring became the king of the college very quickly with his ressources and charisma. Same thing for the government agents NTR Sterling's harem,

Just like it was easy for Sterling friends in chapter 7 to "establish" himself as the dominant man inside the house and NTR all the women there.

So no there is no requirement for them to be full game. You are inventing that it would need this when it doesn't.

The second suggestion is NOT a retcon, it is a continuation of the story after the end. The idea of Sterling expanding his harem elsewhere was one of his very intention in what if? 3.

Now it's true that my initial version of the first what if? is a retcon... So if you prefer, you have my second suggestions for that what if? that is no longer a retcon. It would also explore a new fetish in that game which was discussed in earlier chapters without Retconning everything.

 

[SuddenReal]

1. What if Sterling loses his manhood and just afterward, the goverment mandates that his family socially participates in an efforts against racism? (Interracial + netorare)

As I said in my post, a what if is simply "what if I went left instead of right"? What you're suggesting is not a simple "what if I took another route" but a specific "what if I went left, took two rights and then left again". It's no longer a simple premise. By adding specific details to the shift, you're shifting away from a what if to a different setting. And by having Sterling lose his manhood, you are changing the established story and thus retconning it.

2. What if Sterling after establishing his Harem in his house and becoming rich decided to expands by infiltrating a college with his girls and keeping all the beautifull women only for himself? (Harem + Netori).

For this one, the question is simply "why?". This goes completely against Sterling's established character, so you need a reason for that. Like I said, a what if has a simple explanation. This doesn't. And no, "to have sex with a bunch of girls" doesn't count.

The idea of Sterling expanding his harem elsewhere was one of his very intention in what if? 3.

Yes, you're right. But that came from the simple explanation: what if Sterling followed in Hunter's footsteps. While you might argue that he does in the game, his first intention is still to keep his family safe, and everyone of his "conquests" aren't because of what he wants, but what Hunter's shenanigans force him to do. And since we can safely assume Hunter will be out of the picture at the end of the game, he'd no longer have the desire to increase his harem, since his priority will still be his family and friends. So, why would he want to expand his harem with girls he doesn't care about?

 

[Caim777]

Apologies for my ignorance, still pretty new here.
I'm playing this game on android and I saw the tags incest but in the main game the girls address the boy as roommate rather than brother. Wondering if I'm doing something wrong. I know there's the patcher but assumed that would be for windows specifically given android folders doesn't have a file to replace.

 

[panzermaster]

As I said in my post, a what if is simply "what if I went left instead of right"? What you're suggesting is not a simple "what if I took another route" but a specific "what if I went left, took two rights and then left again". It's no longer a simple premise. By adding specific details to the shift, you're shifting away from a what if to a different setting. And by having Sterling lose his manhood, you are changing the established story and thus retconning it.

NOPE it is not too far fetched that he loses it, The NTR teaser that we have for the next chapter are pretty much revealing that Stelring might get a hammer with a nail in his penis or a terrible accident like that in one of the bad ends.

AND In one of the bad NTR ending of earlier chapter, Sterling went blind and handicapped so losing his manhood is not that different.

But if you insist, we can have Sterling not lose his manhood but still be forced to participate in the social activity of "fighting racism" by the government. And he will be cuckolded without necessarly losing anything physically, there are ways to do it differently. So no it is not a retcon.

It's not a complicated premise, YOU declare that it is so then you can claim that it shouldn't be done, but the truth is that itsn't.


For this one, the question is simply "why?". This goes completely against Sterling's established character, so you need a reason for that. Like I said, a what if has a simple explanation. This doesn't. And no, "to have sex with a bunch of girls" doesn't count.


Yes it absolutely does, it is what we can call character development and it does not necessarly means for the better in terms of morality. The human nature is to go for something more. Just like many rich people always consider they are not rich enough it can easily happen to anyone and Sterling his not a bastion of morality.

If you wish I can reformulates differently :

2. What if Sterling after establishing his Harem in his house and becoming rich decided to expands to satisfy a newfound lust for power by infiltrating a college with his girls and keeping all the beautifull women only for himself? (Harem + Netori).

You see Sterling had a different personality in What if 3, how about him having a change of heart after the game has been completed and now he wants more?



Yes, you're right. But that came from the simple explanation: what if Sterling followed in Hunter's footsteps. While you might argue that he does in the game, his first intention is still to keep his family safe, and everyone of his "conquests" aren't because of what he wants, but what Hunter's shenanigans force him to do. And since we can safely assume Hunter will be out of the picture at the end of the game, he'd no longer have the desire to increase his harem, since his priority will still be his family and friends. So, why would he want to expand his harem with girls he doesn't care about?


Well in the case of What if 3, he didn't care about protecting the family, it was for himself and only himself. That is precisely why the what if exists, but if you prefer let's try something else even shorter if you prefer :

2. What if Stelring decided to follow in hunter's footsteps after the ending by taking over a college with his harem? (Harem + Netori)

 

[Thegoblinlayer]

I mean to play devil's advocate in this discussion. There was a bad ending where Sterling became a girl and what if's where they went on vacation and met a tribe of people looking like hunter, where sterling takes up Hunter's offer, and where Sterling makes a friend who fuck's his family. None of panzer's ideas seem too far beyond that. It just seems like you guys are so vehemently against his ideas that you don't even want to believe it's plausible for side content that's entire premise is things that would never happen in the main game. I get not liking someone's ideas but no need to try so hard to shut someone down instead of say it is not for you and move on.