Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Ka1tzer]

Just a simple question as I don't have the time right now to type out a lenghty response
Do you want Quality Scenes with MC but fewer scenes or do you want several scenes but not as high quality?
Because Dartred did the work and added up all the "vanilla" scenes vs the "ntr" scenes and the vanilla side was clearly at an advantage in terms of scenes. you can search for it if you want.

Quality over quantity for me always, though this game does have a lot of quantity and most of it is high quality. And while I would prefer more scenes with the MC (and even fewer NTR ones, while keeping the whole "scene count" the same), what I wrote about before was mainly about the poses and camera angles. The "presentation" of the scenes. Quite a few of the ntr scenes has angles, poses and positions that I hoped would feature the MC, but instead feature Hunter or Drew.

Clearest example I can draw from memory would be the Amber scene on that drinking game event. NTR has fullview missionary while the canon one has super close up with some "weird" angles. Yes, I know it boils down to taste.

 

[Satou Pendragon]

Quality over quantity for me always, though this game does have a lot of quantity and most of it is high quality. And while I would prefer more scenes with the MC (and even fewer NTR ones, while keeping the whole "scene count" the same), what I wrote about before was mainly about the poses and camera angles. The "presentation" of the scenes. Quite a few of the ntr scenes has angles, poses and positions that I hoped would feature the MC, but instead features Hunter or Drew.

Clearest example I can draw from memory would be the Amber scene on that drinking game event. NTR has fullview missionary while the canon one has super close up with some "weird" angles. Yes, I know it boils down to taste.

I can't really compare the two sides as I haven't watched the NTR scenes, so I only know the canon scenes. I can't really give my opinion there.

 

[dartred]

To repeat what Satou said, NTR scenes are a drop in the bucket compared to vanilla scenes. So when they come up, they have to make more of an impact. I can't debate which ones are better, because that's an opinion thing. Like Ophelia's first time having vaginal. IMO Sterling gave it to her way better then Hunter did.

Here's a list of how many times Sterling got into erotic situation compared to how many NTR scenes there are in an update

Spoiler: How many erotic situations Sterling got into vs Hunter

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Spoiler: how many times Sterling or Hunter has sex in a chapter. Vaginal or anal.

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[lipe2410]

Found the game recently and it's quite awesome. I hate NTR, but the way it's done in this game is fine.

That said, I kinda dislike the fact that so much effort (and I assume dev time for renders and animations) go to those.

Especially since some of the poses and angles in the NTR encounters are "better" (in quotes since that's my opinion). One example would be the Amber encounter in which she loses herv-card to the MC (or to Hunter in the NTR variant).

The latest chapter had an enormous amount of effort put in the NTR ending and that just made me think "why not have the MC do all of these instead of having "throwaway" scenes like that? Within the context of the MCs relationship to the girls and circumstances and all that".

Another one that bothers me a bit is the maid girl losing her virginity. The camera angle of the riding and overall quality of the animation is higher on the NTR variant than on the canon one. It all still boils down to taste though.

I guess I'd simply like less focus on the NTR endings overall, I guess. Not necessarily because of it being ntr per sé, since the way this game handles it is perfectly fine with me, but more because quite a few of the NTR has angles, poses and animations that I would've much prefer to have canonically, done by the MC.

I literally just came into this thread and typed this without looking at anything else in the thread, but am I in the minority here?

Still, even with those misgivings, I think this game is a damm gem and I'm glad I ran into it.

I think you should re-think this so called hate for NTR considering you not just played the bad ends but think they were better of the canon scenes

To repeat what Satou said, NTR scenes are a drop in the bucket compared to vanilla scenes. So when they come up, they have to make more of an impact. I can't debate which ones are better, because that's an opinion thing. Like Ophelia's first time having vaginal. IMO Sterling gave it to her way better then Hunter did.

Here's a list of how many times Sterling got into erotic situation compared to how many NTR scenes there are in an update

Spoiler: How many erotic situations Sterling got into vs Hunter

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Spoiler: how many times Sterling or Hunter has sex in a chapter. Vaginal or anal.

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I told you it'll be just a matter of time, right?

 

[dartred]

I had a lot of conversations related to my list. Sorry, what did you say again.

 

[lipe2410]

It'll be just a matter of time untill someone come again with this "ntr scenes are the main effort of the game" shit.

 

[Ka1tzer]

I think you should re-think this so called hate for NTR considering you not just played the bad ends but think they were better of the canon scenes

Just the positions, angles and poses on SOME of the NTR scenes. My hate for NTR has nothing to do with those, which is why I said I would've much preferred if they featured the MC instead. I can appreciate that my neighbor's house looks great while at the same time hating my neighbor's guts.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

[indigis]

I mean I think it's perfectly fine for some of the NTR scenes to have "better" angles because such little of the game is dedicated to NTR. To keep both sides happy (NTR lovers & Vanilla lovers), it seems that although the quantity for NTR scenes is very low, their quality can be just as good if not slightly better in some instances.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Especially since some of the poses and angles in the NTR encounters are "better" (in quotes since that's my opinion).

I think I understand what you're saying here, and you might have a legitimate point. Instead of me trying to argue, here's an idea: the NTR scenes may intentionally "show off the girls better" to fully sell their objectification; while the vanilla scenes are usually more about connecting emotionally as well as physically, and too many blatant porn poses/angles might undermine these scenes. I don't know, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Jraco2005]

Incredible. How can it be that there are people who supposedly "hate NTR" but then complain that the scenes are better. Does this mean that even though you had the option to disable NTR, you still left it enabled? They look like idiots


And I agree with the other guy, NTR's scenes have to be better (since there are a lot less of them).

 

[MorganFreemansToe]

Just the positions, angles and poses on SOME of the NTR scenes. My hate for NTR has nothing to do with those, which is why I said I would've much preferred if they featured the MC instead. I can appreciate that my neighbor's house looks great while at the same time hating my neighbor's guts.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

The real question is why do you have NTR enabled if you hate it? And also there's not even that many NTR scenes per update in this game so not sure what you're talking about with the time and effort thing.

 

[DD69-1]

Just to highlight a point, sterling when he first banged Ophelia [pussy fuck] It was a normal event in CHP 11, look at the quality of that scene and look at time when Hunter got the NTR ending with Ophelia in CHP 10, when Sterling turned and was shot with something, compare both the scenes and tell me which is better... bringing quantity here makes no sense, look at the quality & length of both the scenes compared..

Edit: I was a patreon supporter, but Chp. 11, seeing how Sterling's scenes are done vs. Hunter's, I dropped support. An argument which says, why have NTR on when you're the vanilla path, it's because of scene comparison and nothing else, that's what everyone is saying... The data is shown NTR scene count wise but it doesn't show the quality and length of the scene.. Herein, Quality maybe subjective but length of the scene can be measured by renders and animations... The above example which I shared for Ophelia first pussy fuck for Hunter vs Sterling can be considered for Quality... Not saying to make the NTR scenes bad, just asking the vanilla scenes to be of the same quality

 

[dartred]

Just to highlight a point, sterling when he first banged Ophelia [pussy fuck] It was a normal event in CHP 11, look at the quality of that scene and look at time when Hunter got the NTR ending with Ophelia in CHP 10, when Sterling turned and was shot with something, compare both the scenes and tell me which is better... bringing quantity here makes no sense, look at the quality & length of both the scenes compared..

Edit: I was a patreon supporter, but Chp. 11, seeing how Sterling's scenes are done vs. Hunter's, I dropped support. An argument which says, why have NTR on when you're the vanilla path, it's because of scene comparison and nothing else, that's what everyone is saying... The data is shown NTR scene count wise but it doesn't show the quality and length of the scene.. Herein, Quality maybe subjective but length of the scene can be measured by renders and animations... The above example which I shared for Ophelia first pussy fuck for Hunter vs Sterling can be considered for Quality... Not saying to make the NTR scenes bad, just asking the vanilla scenes to be of the same quality

On that same argument, NTR scenes should not be as long as a Vanilla scene. Are you saying Hunters 1 scene per update should be the length of one of Sterling's scenes? I get a person who hates NTR will say yes, but let's be fair here. It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene.

To the last sentence. We also can't do the reverse. We can't make each Sterling scene as long as a Hunter scene. Who knows how much that would add to development time. I would suggest maybe a middle ground, where 1 or 2 scenes of Sterling could be longer, but then you'd have an argument of vanilla fans debating which girl deserves that extended scene.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

How many times has Hunter/Sterling fucked one of the girls in the ass?

 

[dartred]

How many times has Hunter/Sterling fucked one of the girls in the ass?

Only once. When he fucked Brenna with Drew.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

Only once. When he fucked Brenna with Drew.

Damn I thought there was more anal with the girls in the game with Hunter or Sterling

 

[dartred]

You asked for Hunter. There IS a lot more with Sterling. He's done anal with Ophelia, Brenna and Cath.

 

[Stil996]

Where are we on the Dev cycle? is it "chapter 12" next or another "What if?"

 

[dartred]

Where are we on the Dev cycle? is it "chapter 12" next or another "What if?"

He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.

 

[Stil996]

He hasn't done what ifs in months. The next thing he's releasing is the main update. Dream scenes are paused near releases so he can focus on the last hurdle.

that's a shame, I think I prefer the "What Ifs"... has he stopped completely or just taking a break from them?