Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[andy maxxx]

Let's not be greedy, it's not a zero-sum situation where the dev is sacrificing Sterling and Ophelia's sex scenes. Those brief skipped scenes are only there to inform us that at this point Sterling and Ophelia are having sex frequently. As much as I'd love to see it every single time, the simple fact is we don't need to. Most sex scenes in this game serve to advance the plot, but there isn't going to be plot development every time they have sex, so showing it would be purely gratuitous. Sure, this is a porn game, but it's also story-driven. Watching Sterling and Ophelia fuck when they have nothing to talk about would be missing the intrigue that makes their encounters so hot. I've found that a lot of games get boring pretty fast when the sex becomes obligatory and routine, and I prefer that doesn't happen to PV.

What do you mean about getting greedy? Does the story progress in bad ends? Sure there were some where Hunter's past revealed in its and bits, which we get in the main storyline regardless. But these bad ends get same old "repetitive" sex with main girls like Ophelia and Brenna anyway. Most of the bad ends are like- Hunter/Other Specimen with a dick fucks Ophelia/Brenna/Catherine for the first time after he kills or incapacitates Sterling. Also did I forget to mention this guy's penis is couple of inches bigger than Sterling's?

I understand your disappointment, but you don't seem to understand the patrons (of which I am one). A lot of patrons enjoy the bad endings for various reasons and without taking them too seriously. They hope for certain pairings or scenarios because the variety and improbability is fun. But the patrons generally don't get too upset just because something didn't go the way they wanted.

Now you say that dev mostly caters to the patrons who want different pairings in bad end sex scenes for variety. So why are there no bad end scenes with Rebecca, Rachita, Tsukiko, Flora etc? Most of the bad ends are about Ophelia or Brenna. So where is the variety then? We will most likely get regular What If updates after this game ends and they will have the same old ntr content with Ophelia and Brenna, the only variety would just be the switching of the male characters fucking them.

Now I'm not against them, surely the highest paying patrons should get what they want but what about the vanilla fans? Why we get only pillow talk in the night event? Why is Ophelia in threesomes with only one position and same angle animation? I get that the dev wants to set up the last orgy with some threesome events but some of us wants some good solo scenes with Ophelia/Brenna like what the ntr scenes have with them. But with only one chapter remaining this seems highly unlikely.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

What do you mean about getting greedy? Does the story progress in bad ends? Sure there were some where Hunter's past revealed in its and bits, which we get in the main storyline regardless. But these bad ends get same old "repetitive" sex with main girls like Ophelia and Brenna anyway. Most of the bad ends are like- Hunter/Other Specimen with a dick fucks Ophelia/Brenna/Catherine for the first time after he kills or incapacitates Sterling. Also did I forget to mention this guy's penis is couple of inches bigger than Sterling's?

Now you say that dev mostly caters to the patrons who want different pairings in bad end sex scenes for variety. So why are there no bad end scenes with Rebecca, Rachita, Tsukiko, Flora etc? Most of the bad ends are about Ophelia or Brenna. So where is the variety then? We will most likely get regular What If updates after this game ends and they will have the same old ntr content with Ophelia and Brenna, the only variety would just be the switching of the male characters fucking them.

Now I'm not against them, surely the highest paying patrons should get what they want but what about the vanilla fans? Why we get only pillow talk in the night event? Why is Ophelia in threesomes with only one position and same angle animation? I get that the dev wants to set up the last orgy with some threesome events but some of us wants some good solo scenes with Ophelia/Brenna like what the ntr scenes have with them. But with only one chapter remaining this seems highly unlikely.

I think I addressed most of this in my other recent posts, but I'll add this: Sterling and Ophelia have already had a ton of sex with each other. And even though they only started vaginal sex in chapter 11, they had multiple scenes in that chapter. As comfy and romantic as it would be for them to have more sex without others participating, at some point it had to progress to threesomes and orgies because, for anyone who didn't notice, the sex in this game continually escalates. I've already agreed in an earlier post that one more Ophelia/Sterling scene would've been appropriate, but more than that could start to kill the momentum of the story and drag the game out unnecessarily.

Your definition of "repetitive" is overly reductive, but you have a point, the bad ends focus on the main girls. The reason for this, besides fan interest, is that there's really nothing at stake if Hunter bangs Rebecca or Rachita, etc. Sterling and Hunter are both focused on the main girls, neither are particularly attached to the side characters, so any "NTR" with them loses its sting.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Was it ever explained why Ophelia stopped lactating? I kind of missed it

Explained? Nope, believe me, I pay SPECIAL attention to that particular plot thread.

I actually thought that she was pumping it out since the last time it was problem for her was before she went full dom and flat out told Sterling to buy her a breast pump so she wouldn't need him for relief anymore, but then on the threesome scene with Alisa she was still lactating.

So I thought that she was pumping out the excess but she could still breastfeed at some point... and well in chapter 12 she just casually comments that she "was lactating at the time"... so no idea what happened or the timeline to that.

At least we're making a scene here about that, usually when that happens the Dev adresses it in some sort of way later (i.e. when the family is watching a horror movie and someone is complaining that the characters are complete dumbasses and Brenna retorts with either "it's a horror film is not ment to be realistic" or "they're drugged off their minds, they were on spring break" I don't remember wich)

 

[GeppettoPossum]

Explained? Nope, believe me, I pay SPECIAL attention to that particular plot thread.

I actually thought that she was pumping it out since the last time it was problem for her was before she went full dom and flat out told Sterling to buy her a breast pump so she wouldn't need him for relief anymore, but then on the threesome scene with Alisa she was still lactating.

So I thought that she was pumping out the excess but she could still breastfeed at some point... and well in chapter 12 she just casually comments that she "was lactating at the time"... so no idea what happened or the timeline to that.

At least we're making a scene here about that, usually when that happens the Dev adresses it in some sort of way later (i.e. when the family is watching a horror movie and someone is complaining that the characters are complete dumbasses and Brenna retorts with either "it's a horror film is not ment to be realistic" or "they're drugged off their minds, they were on spring break" I don't remember wich)

My guess is it'll probably be hand-waved away as having been the result of some of the drugs Hunter was pumping into the air, which he will have stopped using at some point before chapter 12. Unless its origin already has an explanation I've forgotten over the years.
I can only hope we'll get some more milk time given that at least one of the girls is pregnant. Although I'd imagine it would involve some sort of time skip seeing as there's not much of the story left (evidently).
Perhaps an epilogue with a big milky orgy of all the preggo ladies?

 

[andy maxxx]

but more than that could start to kill the momentum of the story and drag the game out unnecessarily.

Well as I said before the bad ends don't progress the story as they are non-canon, so does that mean they drag the game out unnecessarily? And I apologize if I made "repetitive" sound reductive, I only meant by that term is that most ntr plot is of the same trope(as I sarcastically said in the bold letters). So if the ntr fans can get the same fanservice without killing the momentum why can't we?
And the possible what ifs after this game ends will most likely be ntr. So I think it's only fair if we vanilla fans got main girls contents as much as possible.

Sterling and Hunter are both focused on the main girls

Maybe but that didn't really feel like it in this update . I felt like most of the vanilla content was focused more on Nora and Keira. Brenna had only like one penetrative sex scene in this update which was in a threesome. I just wish there were 2 more updates to spread the content more with the main girls.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Well as I said before the bad ends don't progress the story as they are non-canon, so does that mean they drag the game out unnecessarily?

No, but only because of how they're implemented - One wrong choice, then back to that choice to make the correct one.

And I apologize if I made "repetitive" sound reductive, I only meant by that term is that most ntr plot is of the same trope(as I sarcastically said in the bold letters). So if the ntr fans can get the same fanservice without killing the momentum why can't we?

Outside of the "What If...?" stories, there's barely anything for the netorare enthusiasts.
The game is primarily and majorily not netorare, and all linear outside of the times where a bad end can be encountered (which makes them so easy to avoid).

And the possible what ifs after this game ends will most likely be ntr. So I think it's only fair if we vanilla fans got main girls contents as much as possible.

That's just it, we already do get the vast majority of the game.

Maybe but that didn't really feel like it in this update . I felt like most of the vanilla content was focused more on Nora and Keira.

In this chapter, yes.
Purely because this is the first time they're physically part of the story and events within the household.

Brenna had only like one penetrative sex scene in this update which was in a threesome.

Two... ish. One which was the inevitable coitus interruptus which leads into the inevitable threesome with Ophelia.

I just wish there were 2 more updates to spread the content more with the main girls.

The main girls have had the majority of the game already though.
Go back and start from scratch, and it'll put it into perspective for you.

 

[andy maxxx]

In this chapter, yes.
Purely because this is the first time they're physically part of the story and events within the household.

Well my arguements were mostly about the recent update.

Outside of the "What If...?" stories, there's barely anything for the netorare enthusiasts.

Lol right. I'm not getting into this with you after this statement.

 

[Night Hacker]

I know about the damn choice to not open the door and let the fucker in to, well, fuck her, but Rebecca getting her pussy eaten by the damn dog IS NOT avoidable. She tells you herself she let the dog eat her out after the shower incident at her grandma's farm, and that dildo she had there don't make me believe she never let it smash for 'scientific purposes', but I don't remember if anything was mentioned about this.

Sick bitch even let it in the shower with her, so yeah, there's NO actual choice to avoid the start of her beasty experience, Sterling's just going full retard and accepts it for the player, and storywise, it's bullshit, considering how she pretended to be a virgin sooo affected after he took her virginity. The part I found really funny was that he wasn't even supposed to find out, and he still ate her pussy, cuz fuck it... fuck decision and the players opinion about this shit. Bruuhh.



It is a damn game, but that don't make it any less disgusting for some players, and I'm still using the 'realism' argument, cuz the dev himself used it a lot in some characters' cases when the player wanted to speed things up and get to the sex part, especially when the MC tried so hard to fuck Brenna and she gave him all that bullshit about supposedly being a human being with feelings and shit, not a walking, braindead fuckhole, like she's in the noncanonical NTR scenes... oh, the irony in hearing hypocrites victimize themselves and pretend they're sooo innocent.

The whole bestiality stuff being unavoidable for sluts like Rebecca, not Brenna, is what I find off-putting and completely illogical storywise, cuz I bet there will be more of that, and I don't know how actually avoidable it's gonna be. You understand now ?? Don't care if the dev got bribed by the same group of NTR crusaders on their unholy mission to ruin every non NTR porn game and porn comic with their shit, but the stuff he added now, at the end of the game, being unavoidable like it was in Rebecca's case, is a real shitty move. The player needs to always have the choice to let something like that happen or not... always, but here, that choice flies out the window, cuz apparently, it's not important enough to implement it.

Sterling's braindead logic about kinks and shit being completely ok with him doesn't mean that every player shares his stupidity and likes the shit he does. The least I expected to see there is an option to tell the bitch to go fuck herself and get her head checked by at least a few well-known psychiatrists, cuz she definitely has a lot of screws loose up in there, but instead I get a happy, 0-fucks-given retard eating a damn dog's leftovers. Let's not forget that, until this chapter, nothing in the story (don't know if the dev said anything in the thread) even hinted that bestiality will be added, cuz if it was and everything was avoidable, on-screen and off, I wouldn't be here complaining about it.

REALISM... seriously? In THIS GAME?! Where the MC grows muscles and a huge dick within DAYS. where a young man has sex with his mother, his sisters, his aunt, his sister's friend, his mother's friend etc... etc... etc... and there's no disease or pregnancies... well, YET on the stupid pregnancies. Where some of his family would WANT a child via incest and nobody seems to have a problem with it?! Where grandpa fucks everyone in sight and they all absolutely love it even though he looks like the dead risen?!

I get where the dog isn't your thing, it isn't mine either, but then again, there's LOTS that I don't like; just go with the flow, tap that space bar/mouse button and quickly zip through the parts you hate. Or quit playing it. There's nothing remotely close to being realistic in this GAME! LOL... and besides, who would deny that lovable mutt some action?! That's animal cruelty!!! It's just a game, skip on through and don't burst a blood vessel over it.

By the way, kink shaming is against the rules, so be careful what you post.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Well my arguements were mostly about the recent update.

Yes, that's obvious.
The problem with your argument is that is solely focused on this update and absolutely ignores the rest of the game outside of one aspect of the game...

Lol right. I'm not getting into this with you after this statement.

Yeah, this is that aspect of the game as a whole you weren't ignoring. Combined with how you addressed what I wrote, and deliberately left out the following part of contextual information I wrote, it really just shows that you're being entirely disingenuous.

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

 

[Hermit76]

REALISM... seriously? In THIS GAME?! Where the MC grows muscles and a huge dick within DAYS. where a young man has sex with his mother, his sisters, his aunt, his sister's friend, his mother's friend etc... etc... etc... and there's no disease or pregnancies... well, YET on the stupid pregnancies. Where some of his family would WANT a child via incest and nobody seems to have a problem with it?!

You almost sound like there is something wrong with it.

 

[Night Hacker]

You almost sound like there is something wrong with it.

LOL, nah, I love my fiction. It's funny, what I like in fiction, movies etc... doesn't even come close to matching what I am like in real life. I remember playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City back in the day, and getting a prostitute into my car, having sex with her which, realistically improved my health then when the car was done rocking, she got out, I got out... then I shot her and got my money back. Everyone wins that way! Mean while, when I was 15, in real life, I bought a pellet gun, and shot a bird and felt so guilty I gave the gun away! LOL.... people need to separate fiction from reality... ESPECIALLY with this game!

I LOVE the humour in this game, it made me laugh when I REALLY needed to laugh. Don't like it, don't play it. There's plenty more out there. Besides, dogs need love too!

 

[MAGO-DAG]

I LOVE the humour in this game, it made me laugh when I REALLY needed to laugh. Don't like it, don't play it. There's plenty more out there. Besides, dogs need love too!

Dude, you've really lost your mind! You can scare those people who haven’t watched bestiality porn, let it breathe a little!

 

[andy maxxx]

Yes, that's obvious.
The problem with your argument is that is solely focused on this update and absolutely ignores the rest of the game outside of one aspect of the game...



Yeah, this is that aspect of the game as a whole you weren't ignoring. Combined with how you addressed what I wrote, and deliberately left out the following part of contextual information I wrote, it really just shows that you're being entirely disingenuous.

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

Your statement about ntr enthusiasts getting barely any content is over exaggerating to the point that it’s funny. If we were in pre chap 9 I'd have agreed with you. I'm sure there’s a post where Dartred laid out all the stats. Yes you can say ntr content is less but calling it "barely any content" is ridiculous.
And I didn’t overlook anything, rather I'd say I even considered possible future what if contents. My personal dissatisfaction is with the Ophelia vanilla content this update. Besides that this update was pretty decent specially the Lucia night event.
And I can see you clearly don't want to understand my pov rather being hellbent on trying to prove me wrong with far fetched statements. If I continue to argue I'd just be repeating myself over and over again. So I'll just let you take the win and call me ignorant or whatever.

 

[DD69-1]

You can try and dodge facts all you like, but what I said is true.
Which is all the more remarkable considering the bulk of this game's patron money was from netorare enthusiasts.

Nobody is dodging the facts here, but we are all aware that this game is funded majorly by NTR enthusiasts, it is made clear in the last 2 updates and what if's. what is being said here is that vanilla is being ignored and Ophelia was side tracked this update. Wherein, this is a vanilla game and towards the end. If you want to speak on the facts, then even you would not like the bad end events just cut to black and ended like Ophelia's night event with this update right ? For example both Kevin and Hunter's bad ends ended that way without any penetration with the main girls and just a screen was shown that it's all over.

Speaking of main girls, Brenna had one scene with Sterling this update that was a threesome with the Ophelia's same missionary position, the other scene for Brenna was interrupted by Ophelia was A SINGLE render, that's all. The main focus in this update was not Ophelia or main girls for the vanilla path but it included the side chicks.

But for NTR it's all about the main girls, since majority of the last updates, I know my facts are correct on this.
And do let me know if NTR fans don't riot when Hunter bangs the side chicks instead of the main girls, and also let me know if they won't riot when the bad end is completely skipped like Ophelia's night event for the vanilla fans, but obviously we will never know since the majority of these last hefty updates belonged to Hunter and Kevin taking the main cast.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Nobody is dodging the facts here, but we are all aware that this game is funded majorly NTR enthusiasts, it is made clear in the last 2 updates and what if's. what is being said here is that vanilla is being ignored and Ophelia was side tracked this update.

What are you defining as vanilla?
Ophelia definitely wasn't sidetracked in this update.

Remember, each chapter is made as a single part, and it's foolhardy to ignore their being parts of a the greater whole.

Brenna had one scene with Sterling this update that was a threesome with the Ophelia's same missionary position

That's redundant of you to say if you'd read my post.

the other scene for Brenna was interrupted by Ophelia was A SINGLE render, that's all.

Also redundant, for the same reason.

The main focus in this update was not Ophelia or main girls for the vanilla path but it included the side chicks.

No shit, Sherlock.
I'd swear I'd already commented on that... Oh wait, I did.

But for NTR it's all about the main girls, since majority of the last updates, I know my facts are correct on this.

I'm not contesting that.

And do let me know if NTR fans don't riot when Hunter bangs the side chicks instead of the main girls

No, because I couldn't give a flying fuck if they riot over anything, because I don't give a flying fuck about them in general.

 

[hellyeah3000]

I for one would like to see more of the Futa scenes from the game. Or even a continuation of Ophelia growing a dick in the alt ending series.. making it bigger than sterlings and hunters and doing a size comparison with them.

On another note, completed up to v11, downloaded 12 and won’t let me open any of my saves anyone know how to fix this without restarting - on Mac?

 

[PBS666]

I for one would like to see more of the Futa scenes from the game. Or even a continuation of Ophelia growing a dick in the alt ending series.. making it bigger than sterlings and hunters and doing a size comparison with them.

On another note, completed up to v11, downloaded 12 and won’t let me open any of my saves anyone know how to fix this without restarting - on Mac?

You have applied the patch in v12 correctly ?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

For those who were disappointed by the briefly glimpsed sex scenes, let me point out that showing more of those specific scenes would've broken the narrative flow.

When we see Ophelia with Sterling, the story is focused on Aliza and Mallory so we mainly see from their perspective. When we see Brenna with Sterling, the story is focused on Ophelia's suspicions and we see from her perspective. A quick shot to establish that characters are having sex is all that is needed to tell those parts of the story. It wouldn't make sense to shift perspectives just to extend a sex scene when it only exists for comedic effect or shock value.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

 

[xXwankerXx]

REALISM... seriously? In THIS GAME?!

Like I already said, this was the dev's excuse in a lot of scenarios where the MC should've gotten closer to the girls, and I also gave you an example that popped into my mind, Brenna's bullshit excuses to delay the part where they got to the fucking as much as possible, but there should be more, especially in Ophelia's storyline.

I'm perfectly aware that most of the situations in this story are beyond ridiculous and, sometimes, even funny asf, the humor tag speaks for itself on this topic, but by 'realism', I meant the possibility of having Rebecca, and the other LIs, stay dog dick-free, if I make the choice for her to stay away from that furry lil dickhead. No 'accidents' on farms excuse pulled out of the dev's ass or anything like that... nothing. Only those of us who really want to see this type of content, that was forced into the story without any warning whatsoever in advance, btw, should get this dialogue and this type of scenes, not all of us. That's what irked me about the last two updates.

I get where the dog isn't your thing, it isn't mine either, but then again, there's LOTS that I don't like; just go with the flow, tap that space bar/mouse button and quickly zip through the parts you hate.

and besides, who would deny that lovable mutt some action?! That's animal cruelty!!!

And what do you think I did lol ?? I admit I wanted to drop the game a few times after a few disappointing updates, but the funny plot and the women, all of them, especially Brenna, minus the trannies/futas, ofc, made me come back and keep playing it to see how things unfold. Also, who's a 'lovable' mutt ?? That crazy, furry motherfucker ?? Do we even talk about the same mutt here that almost bit the MC's dick off out of jealousy ??

I'm a big animal lover IRL, but I'd go all Jason Voorhees on this mutt and the damn cats from The Entrepreneur and BaDIK, and you can't convince me they deserve anything but a gruesome... correction, so sue me for hating these despicable fictional creatures and blame the devs of their respective games for that, cuz I really do lol.

By the way, kink shaming is against the rules, so be careful what you post.

I didn't kinkshame anyone, ffs, I only said all the bestiality stuff should be kept strictly for the players who make the choices and want to get this type of content, not for all of them, just bcz Sterling lost his last functional brain cells and ounce of manly pride, and I also explained that Rebecca getting her pussy eaten by that dumb dog and her interest in dog dick ARE NOT avoidable... it happens no matter which choices you make, and dumbass Sterling's ok with it, without the dev letting the player decide how they should react to what she told him. It's one of the few things I think the dev can and should do a lil better.

 

[DD69-1]

For those who were disappointed by the briefly glimpsed sex scenes, let me point out that showing more of those specific scenes would've broken the narrative flow.

When we see Ophelia with Sterling, the story is focused on Aliza and Mallory so we mainly see from their perspective. When we see Brenna with Sterling, the story is focused on Ophelia's suspicions and we see from her perspective. A quick shot to establish that characters are having sex is all that is needed to tell those parts of the story. It wouldn't make sense to shift perspectives just to extend a sex scene when it only exists for comedic effect or shock value.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.

Sex scenes being skipped is not okay at least for some, that too for a character like Ophelia who just started having pussy sex with Sterling in mid chapter 11. I can understand if you said this for Brenna or Catherine.

Rushed events and still renders like these sure create a perfect narrative to at least say that yeah man, they're banging in the background, but that's the case they're banging in the background. The shock value and comedy element would have hit more harder if Ophelia's night event 63/64 was not skipped and hair-style bummed event for her as well.

You're just asking to accept that yeah, they're having sex but not actually showing it, leaving everything to imagination, wonder if you put those arguments for bad ends as well, if they were skipped.

Also looking at how Sterling's character in the next update will more likely go in handling Ophelia's psyche about Anabelle's return and Catherine's pregnancy, so when these events are happening then you will say yeah man as per story it's understandable that Ophelia needs time so she's not banging sterling in this one, because she needs emotional support. Wherein in the next chapter's bad end, a complete 360 will be witnessed.

Please do not force your opinion on others, I'm only saying this because of this statement of yours.

Just accept that the characters are having more sex than we get to witness. Sterling alludes to multiple daytime sex sessions with Ophelia that she made up stories to cover, and we didn't get to see those at all, but that's ok.