Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

Sex scenes being skipped is not okay at least for some, that too for a character like Ophelia who just started having pussy sex with Sterling in mid chapter 11. I can understand if you said this for Brenna or Catherine.

Rushed events and still renders like these sure create a perfect narrative to at least say that yeah man, they're banging in the background, but that's the case they're banging in the background. The shock value and comedy element would have hit more harder if Ophelia's night event 63/64 was not skipped and hair-style bummed event for her as well.

You're just asking to accept that yeah, they're having sex but not actually showing it, leaving everything to imagination, wonder if you put those arguments for bad ends as well, if they were skipped.

Also looking at how Sterling's character in the next update will more likely go in handling Ophelia's psyche about Anabelle's return and Catherine's pregnancy, so when these events are happening then you will say yeah man as per story it's understandable that Ophelia needs time so she's not banging sterling in this one, because she needs emotional support. Wherein in the next chapter's bad end, a complete 360 will be witnessed.

Please do not force your opinion on others, I'm only saying this because of this statement of yours.

I thought we made peace about Ophelia and Sterling needing at least one more sex scene? That's not what I'm talking about now. I'm specifically addressing the criticisms of the Sterling-Ophelia-texting scene and the Sterling-Brenna-caught scene.

These scenes did not need to be longer. They were meant to be funny, not titillating. Expanding them into full-blown scenes would've derailed the larger plots they were a part of, or been super annoying as the perspective would switch back and forth between simultaneous events.

Imagine how frustrating it would be trying to fuck Ophelia, while the game is cutting back to Aliza and Mallory. Or fucking Brenna while the game is cutting to Ophelia snooping. It would be a disjointed mess from a storytelling point of view, and ironically people would complain about it.

Don't get me wrong , I am all for as many sex scenes as we can get. I just think complaints about those specific scenes are missing the big picture.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

After 11 chapters (and years) of slowburn between Ophelia-Sterling and with just one more chapter left to close the game according to WWG, this is far from be ok. Actually, it seems like a middle finger to everyone who wait so much for Ophelia/Sterling just to get the short end of the stick. Which is absurd and the major flaw of this game at the end. She is a main girl, she is in the front banner and will end up with less solo sex scenes with Sterling (and i'm talk about real sex, p in v not this bullshit of teasing and "insert a name-job") than even side characters.

It'll be ok if this game will be far from be finished and will have many chapters yet to be released to flesh out Ophelia/Sterling relationship. But that's not the case. WWG took 11 fucking chapters to finally make Sterling and Ophelia fuck and now will end the game by chapter 13. This simply the worst type of slowburn game. A long slowburn needs a long and goof payoff to make worth it. Just read that Ophelia and Sterling are having tons of sex is not even close to it. It's trash. I, and i believe many others, don't wanna simply read they are having sex. We wanna see they having sex because it took EXTREMELY TOO LONG to they finally going all the way. That's why we play 11 fucking chapters of slowburn, build-up and sometimes blueballing: to see them have sex, not just read they are having sex.

And don't come with the usual cliche defense of "but if they have to much sex scenes it'll be boring". This is bullshit and far from reality. Ask to any Kevin fan if they wouldn't like 10/20/30 more scenes like the Kevin/Ophelia bad end. Ask to any Hunter if they ever get tired or bored to see Hunter fuck the main girls over and over again in the bad ends/what ifs. I'm 100% sure they will answer with a straight "no" and even wish more scenes. That's the same thing here: no one will complaint for more Ophelia/Sterling scenes, no one will ever get tired to see them fucking each oters brains out because that's what we want to see since the first chapter of the game.

I really like this game, it's one of my favourites here. I never say anything negative about PV before, not even about the ntr content that i don't like it so i just avoid it. But WWG really drop the ball with the Sterling/Ophelia relationship. I don't know how with just one chapter left he will be able to compensate the serious lacking of Sterling/Ophelia solo sex scenes.

I get what you're saying. Ophelia's my favorite. But you have to remember, as the mom, she was always gonna be a holdout for sex, it's how these games work. As I've said plenty of times now, of course I want more scenes with her. But PV is a visual novel, not a sex simulator. The scenes we get should have a purpose in the story, it's basic rules of writing. You make too many "pointless" sex scenes and the story slows down, the development slows down, etc. It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

EDIT:

Consider games like Away From Home or My Pleasure. They have plenty of sexy times, but they lost the plot long ago (if they ever had any). They're good for a fap and nothing else. I think PV is far superior, because of the story and comedy.

 

[Snugglepuff]

It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

It's more that they don't care as opposed to don't understand.
If it's not what they want, then the dev must do more of what they want or else it's bad... Regardless of whether or not it'd fuck-up the story, because they only care about story insofar as it pertains to catering to their fantasy of dicking their digital waifus.

Or in the case of the pro-netorare crowd, <insert whatever male antagonist in porn game> dicking any and all women in progressively more obscene and plot confusing ways, because that's the fantasy they need to get off.

 

[MAGO-DAG]

Guys, let's live together and not argue, honestly, it's been the same thing for the third day... I myself am a big fan of Sterling/Ophelia and their hot scenes, and before the new update came out, deep down I knew that for Ophelia and Sterling scenes will be few and it was noticeable from the teasers... I still believe that WWG will prepare a very good and full-fledged scene with all the characters in the next update, no matter how stupid it may sound...

if Dev decided to make a bigger scene with Ophelia and Sterling in this update in the night shift, at some point in the future we might not expect this... Let's not quarrel, because the game, as we know, is coming to an end, so we need to enjoy it together while we have the opportunity))) Each of us is missing something, nothing can be done about it.

 

[lipe2410]

I get what you're saying. Ophelia's my favorite. But you have to remember, as the mom, she was always gonna be a holdout for sex, it's how these games work. As I've said plenty of times now, of course I want more scenes with her. But PV is a visual novel, not a sex simulator. The scenes we get should have a purpose in the story, it's basic rules of writing. You make too many "pointless" sex scenes and the story slows down, the development slows down, etc. It seems like some people here are only thinking with their dick and don't understand what makes PV actually good beyond the sexy characters.

EDIT:

Consider games like Away From Home or My Pleasure. They have plenty of sexy times, but they lost the plot long ago (if they ever had any). They're good for a fap and nothing else. I think PV is far superior, because of the story and comedy.

With all due respect man, but this is also bullshit. In Shut Up and Dance the mom character it's not just the one with most scenes but she also can be fucked already in ep. 2. This mom character = few sex scens is just another cheap, lazy and outdated trope. We are in 2024, devs can and should do batter than that.
And about the scenes not being pointless sex, what about make events by Ophelia's POV where she and Sterling having "tons of sex everyday" as they say is actually showed and they have to sneak around the house to be able to fuck without get caught by others? We could get 3-4 or so on scenes of them fucking around the house in different rooms (sterling's bedroom, kitchen, living room, pool, dinner room and so on, could be even fit to show them experimenting things as they talked about it) and scene after scene is showed they are closer and closer to get caught by someone - until it finally happens as happened in the chapter. Seriously something like this will be pointless? because many events of the game are build this way. But no, let's just say they are having tons of sex everyday because sure this is what players want after so much slowburn for 11 chapters. Why bother make a good payoff with a good amout of sex, right?

 

[frozenfeet]

What happened to Rebecca did someone trip and drop a hedge trimmer on her hair?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

With all due respect man, but this is also bullshit. In Shut Up and Dance the mom character it's not just the one with most scenes but she also can be fucked already in ep. 2. This mom character = few sex scens is just another cheap, lazy and outdated trope. We are in 2024, devs can and should do batter than that.

Shut Up and Dance is fantastic but it's a bad comparison. SUaD has what, 5 or 6 characters you can fuck? And Megan is clearly the star. Power Vacuum has at least 20 characters you can fuck, so each one is not going to get as much "screen time" as Megan. Call them outdated tropes, but PV is a satire of the genre, so it's going to follow many of those tropes, that's the joke. At least there was constant progression with Ophelia, as opposed to Charlotte from No More Money where it's one-step-forward-two-steps-back for most of the game.

And about the scenes not being pointless sex, what about make events by Ophelia's POV where she and Sterling having "tons of sex everyday" as they say is actually showed and they have to sneak around the house to be able to fuck without get caught by others? We could get 3-4 or so on scenes of them fucking around the house in different rooms (sterling's bedroom, kitchen, living room, pool, dinner room and so on, could be even fit to show them experimenting things as they talked about it) and scene after scene is showed they are closer and closer to get caught by someone - until it finally happens as happened in the chapter. Seriously something like this will be pointless? because many events of the game are build this way. But no, let's just say they are having tons of sex everyday because sure this is what players want after so much slowburn for 11 chapters. Why bother make a good payoff with a good amout of sex, right?

I think you're hearing me but your not listening, so-to-speak. I'm not arguing there should be less sex, in fact I'll say yet again that I think Ophelia and Sterling needed at least one more exclusive sex scene. You suggest a lot of great ideas and I would've loved to have seen them. But as I mentioned above, this game has so many characters (perhaps too many?) and the dev is trying to give all of them attention every chapter. In an attempt to balance the attention given to all the characters, some potential sex scenes might be cut.

 

[lipe2410]

But as I mentioned above, this game has so many characters (perhaps too many?) and the dev is trying to give all of them attention every chapter. In an attempt to balance the attention given to all the characters, some potential sex scenes might be cut.

And to do that he decided sacrifice Ophelia's scenes with Sterling, the character that already was set to have few sex scenes "because is how these games works" . The main girl who already had lesser scenes than Brenna and Catherine. And because of that she get even less in the end.
Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

 

[DD69-1]

I thought we made peace about Ophelia and Sterling needing at least one more sex scene? That's not what I'm talking about now. I'm specifically addressing the criticisms of the Sterling-Ophelia-texting scene and the Sterling-Brenna-caught scene.

These scenes did not need to be longer. They were meant to be funny, not titillating. Expanding them into full-blown scenes would've derailed the larger plots they were a part of, or been super annoying as the perspective would switch back and forth between simultaneous events.

Imagine how frustrating it would be trying to fuck Ophelia, while the game is cutting back to Aliza and Mallory. Or fucking Brenna while the game is cutting to Ophelia snooping. It would be a disjointed mess from a storytelling point of view, and ironically people would complain about it.

Don't get me wrong , I am all for as many sex scenes as we can get. I just think complaints about those specific scenes are missing the big picture.

In my earlier comment, which you replied to I never mentioned mallory or aliza, I understand that bit. I'm all for story scenes just thinking of scene balance that's all, which you won't understand since all my complaints you're referring to are with respect to how the story with Ophlia and Sterling is carried and how the scenes are made, I am looking at the big picture and the vanilla scenes definitely don't do justice to 12 chapters that have been released till now.
It's a bit hypocritical to ask the vanilla fanbase to be understanding of the scenes wherein the non-vanilla crowd hot 3 big bad ends in last 3 uodates, they get what ifs as well. So lack of scenes is definitely a issue, just telling you if you're trying to play both sides at least be fair. There are no comments on the ntr front from your end, because that crowd will never complain if they get the scenes desired, and developer is giving them that.

 

[DD69-1]

Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

Exactly, and with the chapter 13, sterling would help Ophelia more to come to terms with Catherine's pregnancy and also Anabelles return, then they will say yeah it's story driven so no sex with sterling there since he's Ophelias emotional support. Lack of scenes with her will be explained this way in last chapter.

The same guys won't complain about story/scenes when it comes to bad ends, because all women are horny there and jumping on dicks and story is thrown out of the window. There is no balance of scenes in the last couple of updates.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

And to do that he decided sacrifice Ophelia's scenes with Sterling, the character that already was set to have few sex scenes "because is how these games works" . The main girl who already had lesser scenes than Brenna and Catherine. And because of that she get even less in the end.
Like i said: he dropped the ball with Sterling/Ophelia relationship, making the Ophelia/Sterling slowburn the greatest flaw/downside of his game in the end.

If you're saying that scenes with Ophelia should take some priority over other girls, I agree with that, but I think I may be biased.

It might be interesting to count how many exclusive sex scenes the other girls got with Sterling after their first full vaginal scenes. It might not be as high as you think?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

It's a bit hypocritical to ask the vanilla fanbase to be understanding of the scenes wherein the non-vanilla crowd hot 3 big bad ends in last 3 uodates, they get what ifs as well. So lack of scenes is definitely a issue, just telling you if you're trying to play both sides at least be fair. There are no comments on the ntr front from your end, because that crowd will never complain if they get the scenes desired, and developer is giving them that.

The same guys won't complain about story/scenes when it comes to bad ends, because all women are horny there and jumping on dicks and story is thrown out of the window. There is no balance of scenes in the last couple of updates.

I think we're talking past each other? I haven't been mentioning the NTR scenes because we were talking about couplings vs threesomes in the main story, not about vanilla vs NTR. The NTR scenes are not part of the main story, so everything I've been saying about story pacing doesn't apply to them. That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

 

[Snugglepuff]

That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

Simple...
You're not echoing his words back at him therefore you're fair game for disingenuous gaslighting. All while never letting go of the very existence of netorare in this game, which means he must mention its existence and give an indication of how little it appeals to him.

 

[DD69-1]

I think we're talking past each other? I haven't been mentioning the NTR scenes because we were talking about couplings vs threesomes in the main story, not about vanilla vs NTR. The NTR scenes are not part of the main story, so everything I've been saying about story pacing doesn't apply to them. That's not hypocrisy, they're just irrelevant to my point, and honestly there's not much to say in the vanilla vs NTR debate that hasn't already been said, so why go down that road?

Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Only mentioned NTR in my second paragraph which you quoted, the first paragraphof my message was not replied to by you... You're selectively replying to my message as whole to prove apoint for the whole message, c'mon man at least reference the full message as well because the paragraph which you quoted is linked to my other message as well which you selectively excluded and basing the whole argument for ntr vs vanilla, which I don't want to do.
All I said in the earlier paragraph which you excluded was how main story was progressing with Ophelia in both my earlier messages to you and lip2410 respectively if you have read those or messages which I have been writing a couple days back in the thread.
I just hope this selectively replying isn't encouraged in the thread and since it's a pirate forum it doesn't matter because the supporters will do their thing regardless, but if you're defending something don't be biased that's all. You said they did a scene before Ophelia was pushed in 3somes, which i somewhat agree with, but all else that's its story driven so they're banging in background is bullshit to be honest. That's all

To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.

 

[frozenfeet]

This is a Warning:

If you don't want to see Lucia being murdered by Hunter do not pick the final NTR route in chapter 12. Lucia is crying and Hunter literally shoots Lucia in the head and it shows blood flying from her head as she dies. And Hunter makes fun of her hair as she dies. Don't choose "Take all three out at once." option that is the bad ending.

What? Why? Games
This is just total crap writing if I had known that was going to be there I wouldn't have even looked at that route. Thanks for the no warning about gratuitous violence and murder dev it really SUCKED.

 

[DD69-1]

To be fair, you mention NTR all the time. Since Chapter 12 released, you've expressed your disappointment that Ophelia and Sterling didn't have more solo scenes and more positions in half of your posts, while sounding jealous and whiny that the NTR fans got what they wanted while you didn't. I understand and I respect your disappointment, but you've made your point already. I've compromised that Ophelia and Sterling didn't get enough solo scenes, take that as a win and stop complaining about the same thing over and over.

As for the "skipped" scenes, just let it go, seriously. Take a writing class or something, I don't know, and eventually you'll realize I'm correct, we didn't need those scenes. At least lipe2410 made some excellent suggestions for potential scenes that would've been worth having, because they would've added to the drama; all you've done is made it abundantly clear you just want more one-on-one with your virtual waifu and you're bored of missionary. Too bad, because this game is not just porn, it's a sex comedy with a coherent story.

We'll just have to agree to disagree at this point. That's all.

Hopefully next game a more autistic mc is there lol compared to Sterling so you can defend that as well

 

[Leongen43]

I don't understand why they are bothered by the NTR scenes, they are hot and fun, for those who don't like those scenes, the developer might hug them with love and say "don't worry, my dear baby, they aren't canon, go back to sleep and have nice dreams", If he does that you would be better off and not be bothered by the ntr scenes?

 

[hellyeah3000]

You have applied the patch in v12 correctly ?

I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?

 

[Snugglepuff]

I just downloaded 12 whole game didn’t know I needed a patch? How do I install a patch if I download that?

Look up the word Mandatory in the dictionary. It appears three times in the OP for a reason...