Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Fayn Arawn]

Drew is part of Hunter's Business... exploiting, corrupting and blackmailing people into prostitution.
Drew was also cheating with her sister's husband.
Drew is a villain, not as bad as Hunter but still a villain.

and as for the unusual part: the game has always been unusual and goofy, it would not be a stretch imagining my scenario.

Is it really exploitative if the women in Drew's and Hunter's business are willing participants and making a lot of money for themselves? That sounds pretty similar to what Sterling and Brenna are doing with her OnlyFans channel. Does that make Sterling a villain?

You might be right about the affair with David, but we don't know the whole story there yet. Besides, people have affairs all the time, but it's a little hyperbolic to call them "villains".

 

[AkaQ]

Is it really exploitative if the women in Drew's and Hunter's business are willing participants and making a lot of money for themselves? That sounds pretty similar to what Sterling and Brenna are doing with her OnlyFans channel. Does that make Sterling a villain?

You might be right about the affair with David, but we don't know the whole story there yet. Besides, people have affairs all the time, but it's a little hyperbolic to call them "villains".

Ok I expressed myself poorly. I meant ''antagonist''.
And I believe dev will redeem her in some way. I think at least Ophelia will want to punish her somehow for that forgiveness.

 

[Mr. Chatty]

Even though Drew identifies/presents as a woman, we know she still loves giving her dick to women (and men, apparently), and we haven't seen her express any interest in receiving anal. I get the impression that Sterling wouldn't be interested in fucking Drew anyway. Drew may be hot, but she still has her dick. Nor would Sterling want to be fucked by Drew who is clearly a top. I suppose it could still happen if Sterling was drugged or something, but that sounds like "bad end" territory.

What I'd rather see is Sterling and Drew tag team a girl in canon. That may be controversial among players who dislike sharing, but what if the girl was someone Drew has already fucked and Sterling isn't particularly close with, such as Keira, Nora, or Eileen? Maybe even a four-way where Sterling and Drew switch partners?

Tag team a girl and in canon lol one can dream I guess

Just to be clear that "one" isn't me

This Marks the Start of the controversy you mentioned

 

[Blue Milk]

What I'd rather see is Sterling and Drew tag team a girl in canon. That may be controversial among players who dislike sharing, but what if the girl was someone Drew has already fucked and Sterling isn't particularly close with, such as Keira, Nora, or Eileen? Maybe even a four-way where Sterling and Drew switch partners?

Drew had a past with Keira and Nora, they could have a gangbang, but without interfering with the main Sterling's LI

I feel like Chapter 12 establishes that Keira and Nora are now Sterling's and they won't be going back to Drew even for a gangbang for "old time's sake". Seems to me that this was the whole point of Lucia pushing him to getting them before Drew did and why the path where you tell Lucia that Drew is her Dad is considered a bad NTR ending.

Honestly, I'd much rather see Drew become more of a grovelling apologist for their actions after seeing how crazy Hunter has become. They've seen what could happen if they let themselves continue down this crazy path with him but also feel regret for ever having followed this madman and done his bidding. So instead of Sterling and Drew teaming up to bang chicks, I'd like to see Drew become more of a cuck to Sterling's whims as a form of recompense and part of that being Sterling getting to fuck them.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

Is it really exploitative if the women in Drew's and Hunter's business are willing participants and making a lot of money for themselves?

I guess it would depend on how they got to that point. Were drugs involved like they are in the case of Sterling and his family?
If it was just good ol' fashioned seduction, that's fine. But you could argue making a decision under the influence of drugs is not particularly consensual (even if it does make you a bunch of money).

I previously wrote about this similar idea about an alternate ending other than the "good ending" and "bad ending"... where Sterling and Drew became partners and each of them have their own personal affairs... Drew could share with Eileen or all sorts of women that she meet or Sterling by some kind of agreement knowing that Drew had a past with Keira and Nora, they could have a gangbang, but without interfering with the main Sterling's LI.... Although it will be controversial

I could get behind this. Not sure about sharing the main girls, though (I'm not particularly attached to Nora or Keira for what it's worth). There's plenty of holes to fill out there in the world.

Honestly, I'd much rather see Drew become more of a grovelling apologist for their actions after seeing how crazy Hunter has become. They've seen what could happen if they let themselves continue down this crazy path with him but also feel regret for ever having followed this madman and done his bidding. So instead of Sterling and Drew teaming up to bang chicks, I'd like to see Drew become more of a cuck to Sterling's whims as a form of recompense and part of that being Sterling getting to fuck them.

This is a pretty good idea as well. I could see Drew wanting to stick around to perhaps be a bit of a parent to Lucia now that the cat's out of the bag.

 

[jamiehmcw91]

I guess it would depend on how they got to that point. Were drugs involved like they are in the case of Sterling and his family?
If it was just good ol' fashioned seduction, that's fine. But you could argue making a decision under the influence of drugs is not particularly consensual (even if it does make you a bunch of money).



I could get behind this. Not sure about sharing the main girls, though (I'm not particularly attached to Nora or Keira for what it's worth). There's plenty of holes to fill out there in the world.



This is a pretty good idea as well. I could see Drew wanting to stick around to perhaps be a bit of a parent to Lucia now that the cat's out of the bag.

I hope Drew does stay around with Lucia and make up for lost time. Maybe Drew regrets that she raped Keira and got her pregnant. But now that she has no balls would she be able too fuck them without Sterling knowing?

 

[GeppettoPossum]

I hope Drew does stay around with Lucia and make up for lost time. Maybe Drew regrets that she raped Keira and got her pregnant. But now that she has no balls would she be able too fuck them without Sterling knowing?

Where are you getting that she raped her? They are both around the same age and were probably both under 18 when Keira got pregnant. I never got the sense that relations (at least between the two of them) were anything but consensual.

As I've said in previous posts, you could argue that Keira and Drew were both survivors of sexual assault at the hands of Nora and Hunter, as both Hunter and Nora were having sex with them when they were well under the age of 18 (some as young as 12-13), but that's a divisive statement that's likely to draw some anger in these comments.

 

[dartred]

The votes coming in have pretty much slowed to a crawl. So it looks like these will be the winners for Last Chance and Wallpaper.

 

[john984]

The votes coming in have pretty much slowed to a crawl. So it looks like these will be the winners for Last Chance and Wallpaper.

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Dartred change your vote to Ophelia and Keira lol. We need Kevin and Brenna

 

[dartred]

Sure, but the only reason i haven't bothered to change it is because i didn't see it winning lol

edit:. So i'm no good at math. How is it possible that me changing my vote takes Kevin's from 37% to 35% and yet only raises Ophelia's by 1%.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

Little something I'm working on. The "c" before a date indicates "circa" or "around." Let me know if there are any mistakes.
I did have the dates Hunter mentions in his confession on here but it was a bit difficult to display. Born in 1947 in Messina, Italy, etc.
The only things we don't really have a hint for are Keira and Nora's dates of birth. If that information is somewhere, let me know. Obviously Nora would be born bef.1968 or so, but I don't have information more than that.

I'm making an assumption that Drew & Keira are of a similar age. Same deal with David & Ophelia.
We know that Nora & David were having sex BEFORE he met Ophelia, which means David was at most 15 years old when that was happening, if David was in fact born in 1983. That also means he bought a house at 15, which is...unusual (maybe Hunter bankrolled him/cosigned. Can you even get a home loan at 15?). It would make a lot more sense if he were a bit older, say born in 1980. Then perhaps Nora could be absolved a bit of her role in "being seduced" by him.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

edit:. So i'm no good at math. How is it possible that me changing my vote takes Kevin's from 37% to 35% and yet only raises Ophelia's by 1%.

Because the percentages are rounded...

26/71 = 36.6% -> 37%
29/71 = 40.8% -> 41%
16/71 = 22.5% -> 23%

25/71 = 35.2% -> 35%
30/71 = 42.2% -> 42%
16/71 = 22.5% -> 23%

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Little something I'm working on. The "c" before a date indicates "circa" or "around." Let me know if there are any mistakes.
I did have the dates Hunter mentions in his confession on here but it was a bit difficult to display. Born in 1947 in Messina, Italy, etc.
The only things we don't really have a hint for are Keira and Nora's dates of birth. If that information is somewhere, let me know. Obviously Nora would be born bef.1968 or so, but I don't have information more than that.

I'm making an assumption that Drew & Keira are of a similar age. Same deal with David & Ophelia.
We know that Nora & David were having sex BEFORE he met Ophelia, which means David was at most 15 years old when that was happening, if David was in fact born in 1983. That also means he bought a house at 15, which is...unusual (maybe Hunter bankrolled him/cosigned. Can you even get a home loan at 15?). It would make a lot more sense if he were a bit older, say born in 1980. Then perhaps Nora could be absolved a bit of her role in "being seduced" by him.


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Very nice job! It matches up with what I have in my notes. I understand leaving off the early events so as not to skew the graphic, but here's some additional info:

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EDIT: Regarding Nora's age, in What If #3 Keira says her mother is "pushing sixty", and if we take that to mean 55-59, then Nora was born between 1960-64.

 

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[GeppettoPossum]

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[Fayn Arawn]

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You have Drew & David's affair as beginning 1998-2004, but what is the basis for this? My impression from the emails is that their affair began "years" before the present (i.e. 2019), but not that many years.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

You have Drew & David's affair as beginning 1998-2004, but what is the basis for this? My impression from the emails is that their affair began "years" before the present (i.e. 2019), but not that many years.

You're right. I misremembered it. For some reason I had it in my head that they stopped interacting after 2004.
EDIT:
Looks like we don't really have a good idea of when it happened, so I took it off my timeline.
Also as a side note- is it ever addressed HOW David died? Was it suicide or an accident? I know Ophelia says he was "taken from her."
Another question- do we know for sure that Drew is younger than Ophelia and Aliza? I've been looking back through the scripts and can't seem to find it referenced.

 

[dartred]

We have no answer for David just yet.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Also as a side note- is it ever addressed HOW David died? Was it suicide or an accident? I know Ophelia says he was "taken from her."

It is strange that no one has elaborated on David's death. Surely Ophelia knows how it happened, otherwise you'd think she would talk about wanting to know. I have a suspicion that the details concerning David will be important to the climax of the story, and are being kept a surprise for that reason.

Another question- do we know for sure that Drew is younger than Ophelia and Aliza? I've been looking back through the scripts and can't seem to find it referenced.

I'm convinced Drew is the youngest sibling. I know this puts Drew's sexual awakening at an uncomfortably young age, but it would echo Hunter's own experience at a similar age, and may be some sort of Dio del Sesso tradition.

Also, from David's journal: "Your uncle Drew was the little brother I never knew I wanted." The use of the term "little brother" makes me think Drew was at least a couple years younger than David. If we assume David and Ophelia were close in age, then Drew would have to be younger than Ophelia.

 

[GeppettoPossum]

It is strange that no one has elaborated on David's death. Surely Ophelia knows how it happened, otherwise you'd think she would talk about wanting to know. I have a suspicion that the details concerning David will be important to the climax of the story, and are being kept a surprise for that reason.

I suspect you're right about David's death. As far as we know Ophelia and Drew still haven't had that conversation, have they? Perhaps all of that will be fleshed out whenever that happens. If Drew and David were indeed fooling around with each other, it is a bit strange we haven't had any comments from Drew about him (that I can remember).

Also, from David's journal: "Your uncle Drew was the little brother I never knew I wanted." The use of the term "little brother" makes me think Drew was at least a couple years younger than David. If we assume David and Ophelia were close in age, then Drew would have to be younger than Ophelia.

Right, although I suppose that really just means Drew was younger than David. It doesn't preclude the possibility of David being older than Ophelia. Hell, he probably could've been born as early as 1975 for all we know (if Nora was born ~1960 and got pregnant at around 15 like all the women in this game seem to do ). It would certainly make him buying a home in 1998 make a bit more sense.

However, if we go by the 1983 birth timeline, that would mean it would be a 15 year old homeowner living with his 15 year old wife and 14 year old sister-in-law.

This could also hint that Keira might be a bit older too. It would certainly clear up all these "uncomfortably young age" implications. We don't really have anything other than assumptions pinning down her birthdate.

As far as Drew goes, I guess we know for certain she couldn't have been born before probably 1981, seeing as Hunter & Annabelle got married ~1980.

I'd be really curious if WWG has anything to say about all this, but I guess we'll probably just have to wait. Might not ever get some of these answers. For my part, I think it's a sign of a good game that it's spurring on the kinds of conversations we've been having recently.