Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Omegablade21]

Doesn't mean I can do whatever I want in your house. Your house, your rules. Or in this case, Patreon's house.

Except with Patreon it's more along the lines of this.

 

[Deleted member 4887608]

except this dev proves he is working on the game by releasing 4-6 new teasers every 10 days to show his work. How many devs do that? i know a few that just show 1 image when they feel like it and some who just post status updates. The amount he shows every 10 days is above and beyond what many devs do. We've also never had a delay outside of 1 chapter where he rewrote it before release because he himself didn't like how it was coming out and didn't want to release garbage. That's a dev that genuinely cares about his game.

I am aware of that & I wasn't referencing about WWG it was more of a general trend what is observed in adult game community & I also know that since he has to cater to two different audience it's gonna take time. Personally I would rather like two smaller size update in 3 months than a big one in 6 months as I won't feel disconnected to the story when I continue which happens when game goes dormant for 3 months+

 

[SuddenReal]

Except with Patreon it's more along the lines of this.

So what? If you allow dogs at your house, and I come over with my dog and he shits all over your carpet, aren't you going to change that rule? It's their perogative.

None of their rules are set in stone, except the one that allows them to change the rules, and guess what, every contract has that.

 

[TrueJackal]

I think it good on them to go after artists those who haven't produced any work for 3-4 months, it would keep the leeches in check & would provide better experience.

1) Even if I agreed with you, that wouldn't apply here. There's a massive difference between being a leech and taking time to do a big project.

Your impatience doesn't make him a leech.

2) I don't think it's worth going after inactive devs at the cost of punishing devs like this who are putting in a consistent effort to put out quality work.

If you don't like his upload rate, that's fine. Just don't pay him on patreon. Let people who want to support him, do so.

3) Understand that just because he doesn't upload every month doesn't mean he's lazy. Teasers are a great way to show supporters that he's working while drumming up hype and getting more support. It honestly should be standard for most devs given that it lets people see progress in action.

If you want quality animations, renders, and writing from one man, then it's gonna take time. Lot's of time.

The only you can get something faster is to sacrifice one of those. The teasers are a great compromise.

 

[storm1051787]

I can't tell if you're asking sarcastically or honestly, but yes, they "never happen" in the sense that they're outside the "real story." Even calling them "What Ifs" is most likely a reference to Marvel Comics' classic What If stories, which also "never happened."

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Kind of a stretch. The concept of what ifs in literature have been around forever and marvels not the only one to call it what ifs.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Kind of a stretch. The concept of what ifs in literature have been around forever and marvels not the only one to call it what ifs.

Well I never said Marvel invented the trope. WWG could've been referencing Asimov's story. It could even be coincidence.

Marvel's What If animated show debuted back in August, same month as What If #1 for PV, and it's not unreasonable to think WWG was aware of the show's existence, given how in tune he appears to be with pop culture.

But I was only speculating (hence my use of "most likely").

 

[yourmomma]

At this point I'm not even sure why Devs keep using Patreon. This is one of those sleeper games I was on the fence about until later on and now it's one of my top five favorites. I'd hate to see him dull his creative license just to please Patreon.

 

[defd©™]

I'm on Ch4 now and I must say that there are a lot of fanny events... I hope will get better in future.
About the time required between the next update I really do not complain.
Every artist has different priority
I like devs that are able to write a good story line with great and Interesting progression.
render and animation quality are not so important for me because more animaion quality mean slow updates.

when this happens like in this game I always wait before play until a good amount of contents has been released I also totally avoid demo-games for the same reason.

 

[NachoAndCheez]

Yeah, some of us on the discord were surprised when we heard. They took 4 months to give WWG a response, then they contact WWG and tell him he has 2 weeks to turn in the product for a review. How is that fair?


Who knows what happens if he doesn't turn in. He probably has his patreon turned off (not deleted) until he turns it in? Though deactivation is a possibility. They don't want to get in trouble in the first place and it's in their right to deactivate someone who breaks their rules (as BS as their rules are).

All of this is BS truly but atleast I now know that if by the beguining of June the page is still up and running then the ball is 100% on patreon's court.

 

[Lukec7]

I just can't believe how controlled we are getting, in this instance through Patreon for a few controversial tags but in a fucking fictional game I mean Holy Shit, we started getting told we can't use our imagination anymore or to a full extent. Are they trying to prevent those tags to move to real life by some psycho(s) or what because let me tell you, they're (gonna) happen(ing)) regardless. And to take away the power to flesh out unique game(s) like this to it's full potential really pisses me of. I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one visiting this site because of the unique tags and occasionally stories not some boring vanilla you can experience IRL. I just can't wrap my head around the fact they started or are trying to control our fucking IMAGINATIONS.

 

[Ranma]

I just can't believe how controlled we are getting, in this instance through Patreon for a few controversial tags but in a fucking fictional game I mean Holy Shit, we started getting told we can't use our imagination anymore or to a full extent. Are they trying to prevent those tags to move to real life by some psycho(s) or what because let me tell you, they're (gonna) happen(ing)) regardless. And to take away the power to flesh out unique game(s) like this to it's full potential really pisses me of. I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one visiting this site because of the unique tags and occasionally stories not some boring vanilla you can experience IRL. I just can't wrap my head around the fact they started or are trying to control our fucking IMAGINATIONS.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

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“We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now.” ― George Orwell, 1984.

PayPal and Patreon aren't going that far, but I agree with Lukec7 that exploring taboos in fiction is fine, and certainly preferable to exploring some of those taboos in real life. Their censorship is based on their trying to conform to an antiquated perception of morality in order to maintain market share, and not an Orwellian desire for power for its own sake.

 

[tydog99]

I just can't believe how controlled we are getting, in this instance through Patreon for a few controversial tags but in a fucking fictional game I mean Holy Shit, we started getting told we can't use our imagination anymore or to a full extent. Are they trying to prevent those tags to move to real life by some psycho(s) or what because let me tell you, they're (gonna) happen(ing)) regardless. And to take away the power to flesh out unique game(s) like this to it's full potential really pisses me of. I mean I'm sure I'm not the only one visiting this site because of the unique tags and occasionally stories not some boring vanilla you can experience IRL. I just can't wrap my head around the fact they started or are trying to control our fucking IMAGINATIONS.

Jesus, you aren't being "controlled". It's their platform. They can do what they want. That's like thinking you have free speech in America to just post whatever dumb shit you want on a privately owned website like social media. If you don't like how Patreon does things and don't want to follow what they allow on their platform, you can find another platform to sell your product.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Jesus, you aren't being "controlled". It's their platform. They can do what they want. That's like thinking you have free speech in America to just post whatever dumb shit you want on a privately owned website like social media. If you don't like how Patreon does things and don't want to follow what they allow on their platform, you can find another platform to sell your product.

I agree it's not about control, but Lukec7 brings up a pertinent debate: whether sexual entertainment reduces or increases real life sexual abuse. This is relevant because it points to the reasoning behind the censorship: that sexual entertainment will inspire its audience to commit sexual abuse in real life.

I'm of the opinion sexual entertainment actually reduces sexual abuse, because some use the entertainment as an alternative.

 

[Ranma]

I agree it's not about control, but Lukec7 brings up a pertinent debate: whether sexual entertainment reduces or increases real life sexual abuse. This is relevant because it points to the reasoning behind the censorship: that sexual entertainment will inspire its audience to commit sexual abuse in real life.

I'm of the opinion sexual entertainment actually reduces sexual abuse, because some use the entertainment as an alternative.

The same way that violence in video-games doesn't directly correlate to violence in real life like many politicians would want you to believe, but they still double and triple down on it, no matter how many times their point has been proven wrong, time and time again.

 

[Deleted member 4453899]

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In 2022 1984 is more of a user manual.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

There was a Power Vacuum reference in the Shut Up And Dance update:

 

[dartred]

Ha, funny thing about that. The dev to SUAD contacted me on discord asking me if he can use Hunter for his game. He thought i was the dev for PV lol. So I take it he got the proper permissions.

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[Lukec7]

My god, get bent on a badly picked word. I didn't mean it literally, guess only Fayn got my main point. I still think tho regardless of what you're doing (in this case a fictional 3dcg game) as long as it's fiction there shouldn't be any limits. My opinion.

And thanks for the book recommendation.

 

[Taz423]

So I presume the next chapter wont come in the near future?