Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Heavy Sleeper]

I get your point, but you're exaggerating a bit on the actual amount of NTR content.

What if we look at the bad ends like a fail state in a video game? You may not want to see Leon S. Kennedy decapitated by a chainsaw, but that doesn't mean the developers shouldn't have animated it.

they definitely do.

Turning it off does not mean a signifigant portion of the story (thge core of it) and the dev time (30%+ I'd assume unless WWG has changed how he does things) aren't devoted to developing NTR content.

The technicality of the NTR switch does not mean the game, and the development, is not signifigantly focused on NTR content in any way, shape or form.

it's 2 scenes which only happened at the "end point" of the event chain which is part of the story anyway and then you simply see how said event could've ended. By your logic, the dev creates a whole different event chain which he then need to figure out how to tie a "true" and "false" ending.

What the dev spend significant amount of time is creating villain, and this story needs it to exist. The NTR are with only some rare exception(where there is more then one animation in the scene) it's simply another "event" moment in the chain of the whole event which is quite long(and again only two events of out the usually 10+ chains) . Comparing this to the rest of the chains and how much build up each of them has? or the fact that at this point Sterling is having sex(more animation times) multiple times withing the chains that's not 30%. Hell, Sterling a lot of times(and the players) doesn't even know who is the target, as Hunter doesn't make it obvious all the time(or at all in some cases) until it happens.

That's without including the amount of different animation a lot of the these events include either. The NTR haven't yet included as many threesome or more in the same scene while the story included many characters in the same sex scene which is much harder to animate, and the only one I can remember at the moment is Cath+Amber(mc had Brenna+Eva, Cath+amber, and Malory+Eva). Hell, the dev didn't give Hunter a threesome this update even though he could've based on the fact the other person was seeing all of it.

 

[E_nigma]

In the actual story, which is what really matters at the end of the day, Hunter has made no progress and Sterling has made nothing but progress.
If you play without the ntr bad ends (THAT ARE NON-CANON) then you don't even know what it is Hunter potentially does to the women in the household.


I've given up at this point trying to understand what the problem some people have with this game when it comes to ntr.
The fact that it is there won't change, but it's not actually a part of the continuing story at all, just a fun fork in the road )that you are also forced back off at the end).

Like I said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included. Obviously one could argue that the delay between updates was worth it because of the drastic step up in quality and how wwg addressed many criticisms, including some I mentioned in my review. For instance the animation quality was drastically improved and there were none of those odd real time 3d delay trying to change facial expressions. But the perception alone that all that time was spent focusing on that instead of getting closer to some sort of conclusion to a game that's kind of getting long in the tooth (it is nearly 3 years old and the main girls (primarily ophelia tbh) still have some trepidation about engaging in certain acts that really aren't that far from where you now anyway, the cats out of the bag) does have a long tail.

I admit being able to turn that shit off and it being in end states that reset you to the normal path, is certainly handled better than it could be though and I'm sure we've all seen far worse implementations. But the time spent on those in addition to how much teasing/blueballing/arguably padding(tip is in and BOOM a character shows up and stops you so you gotta do more events) you get in the normal path add up to why there is a bad perception of it. Not to mention in a lot of earlier chapters you can see a bit of a difference in quality between the scenes and again that adds to the notion it's got more of a focus even if the actual scene count favors the normal path.

 

[SuddenReal]

Like I said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included.

There was no major focus on What Ifs, only the perceived focus of the audience. I'd like to set something right once and for all, the first time that there was a major gap between updates was the chapter BEFORE the What Ifs were a thing. It went from three months to five months because of the amount of content, an amount that has only increased with every new chapter. The What Ifs had no influence on that, because there weren't any.

 

[dartred]

Like i said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included. Obviously one could argue that the delay between updates was worth it because of the drastic step up in quality.

You can't even argue that the delays were because of what ifs, because the time between updates became what it is now before what ifs started.

Going from CH 6 to CH 7 is when we got the first big increase in development time, it's also when we got the first Sex scene that forever changed the quality of sex scenes.

see here for more info.

https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-10-beta-what-if-vol-1-6-what-why-games.36240/post-7467236

and see here me already debating someone about this

https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-10-beta-what-if-vol-1-6-what-why-games.36240/post-7648114
with another follow up post 2 post down from that one.

You can want it with all your heart that WWG is sacrificing main game development time for what ifs, but you need to accept reality sometimes. Game takes longer to update because There are more renders, There are more animations and animations are STILL getting better every update. Not to mention little techs he does to enhance a scene like colors, god-rays, etc to make a scene more lifelike then other devs. imagine people shitting on this dev for working so hard, but people who get the game for free are acting entitled.

 

[E_nigma]

I guess I should probably added the disclaimers earlier in the post cause I did make it clear I meant the perception that the time was dedicated to that instead of main releases or content to tide people over between major releases, but maybe I didn't.

perception is reality and all that.

(“Perception is merely a lens or mindset from which we view people, events, and things.”

In other words, we believe what we perceive to be accurate, and we create our own realities based on those perceptions. And although our perceptions feel very real, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily factual.)

 

[Maestro91]

Like I said before I think the major focus on what ifs and the giant gap between main releases to focus on them (regardless of what wwg said that they were only done in "free time") soured many peoples perceptions, mine included. Obviously one could argue that the delay between updates was worth it because of the drastic step up in quality and how wwg addressed many criticisms, including some I mentioned in my review. For instance the animation quality was drastically improved and there were none of those odd real time 3d delay trying to change facial expressions. But the perception alone that all that time was spent focusing on that instead of getting closer to some sort of conclusion to a game that's kind of getting long in the tooth (it is nearly 3 years old and the main girls (primarily ophelia tbh) still have some trepidation about engaging in certain acts that really aren't that far from where you now anyway, the cats out of the bag) does have a long tail.

I admit being able to turn that shit off and it being in end states that reset you to the normal path, is certainly handled better than it could be though and I'm sure we've all seen far worse implementations. But the time spent on those in addition to how much teasing/blueballing/arguably padding(tip is in and BOOM a character shows up and stops you so you gotta do more events) you get in the normal path add up to why there is a bad perception of it. Not to mention in a lot of earlier chapters you can see a bit of a difference in quality between the scenes and again that adds to the notion it's got more of a focus even if the actual scene count favors the normal path.

All in all, your only "real" complaint is the time it takes to develop an episode.

Everything else falls flat with no ground to stand on. You seem to know and remember most of what has been said of the development of both the game and the what ifs so I won't bother to repeat it as there's not even any "flesh on the horse left to whip". But I will say, he has stated time and time again, paraphrasing "I feel the highest tier deserved more than the beta version of the game and therefore I'm taking suggestions for a monthly mini-game that will be made outside of 'business hours', including monthly wallpapers".

The story, if played from start to finish as it is now, is perfectly acceptable as far as pacing goes since WWG obviously wants/has to:

1) Write a believable story of a youth returning to his old home where he has a family with whom he shares familiar relationships, and due to a villainous precence' influence starts to explore those relationships sexually. For it to not feel cheap it needs steps to follow to again, be believable.
2) Include excellent humor and references rarely seen in adult games such as this.
3) Make every single character, including posing, styling and backgrounds etc... (you know the deal) as well as make all of the animations
4) Code the game and also recently, go through the whole entire game and change dialogues and renders deemed forbidden on the platform it is released on.
5) Do all of the above alone

Add to this he also has a life outside of developing this game and you can start to see why it takes a while.

He has for the record stated that we're not long off from the final episode as well and is planning a second game not related to Power Vacuum.

 

[E_nigma]

All in all, your only "real" complaint is the time it takes to develop an episode.

Everything else falls flat with no ground to stand on. You seem to know and remember most of what has been said of the development of both the game and the what ifs so I won't bother to repeat it as there's not even any "flesh on the horse left to whip". But I will say, he has stated time and time again, paraphrasing "I feel the highest tier deserved more than the beta version of the game and therefore I'm taking suggestions for a monthly mini-game that will be made outside of 'business hours', including monthly wallpapers".

The story, if played from start to finish as it is now, is perfectly acceptable as far as pacing goes since WWG obviously wants/has to:

1) Write a believable story of a youth returning to his old home where he has a family with whom he shares familiar relationships, and due to a villainous precence' influence starts to explore those relationships sexually. For it to not feel cheap it needs steps to follow to again, be believable.
2) Include excellent humor and references rarely seen in adult games such as this.
3) Make every single character, including posing, styling and backgrounds etc... (you know the deal) as well as make all of the animations
4) Code the game and also recently, go through the whole entire game and change dialogues and renders deemed forbidden on the platform it is released on.
5) Do all of the above alone

Add to this he also has a life outside of developing this game and you can start to see why it takes a while.

He has for the record stated that we're not long off from the final episode as well and is planning a second game not related to Power Vacuum.

I had/have plenty of "real" complaints in regards to a lot of elements to the game tbh, if that's all you got out of what I said there and elsewhere, that's on you.

 

[Maestro91]

I guess I should probably added the disclaimers earlier in the post cause I did make it clear I meant the perception that the time was dedicated to that instead of main releases or content to tide people over between major releases, but maybe I didn't.

perception is reality and all that.

(“Perception is merely a lens or mindset from which we view people, events, and things.”

In other words, we believe what we perceive to be accurate, and we create our own realities based on those perceptions. And although our perceptions feel very real, that doesn’t mean they’re necessarily factual.)

"Time is money" and as far as I know, a lot of the guys on this thread has not paid a dime for this game and it's other content.

 

[Maestro91]

I had/have plenty of "real" complaints in regards to a lot of elements to the game tbh, if that's all you got out of what I said there, that's on you.

Not adressing any of my points and mentioning you have made "real" complaints... Love the quotation marks on the real, does that mean the complaints are only alleged.

And again, the stuff you brought up earlier have all been disproven time and time again, hence why I said they "have no ground to stand on".
I don't know if you're aware, but you're parroting "points" other users have said before you every time there has been a new episode.

 

[E_nigma]

"Time is money" and as far as I know, a lot of the guys on this thread has not paid a dime for this game and it's other content.

Fair enough, but do consider some of that other stuff and supporting it by proxy does keep a lot of people from supporting financially.

Not adressing any of my points and mentioning you have made "real" complaints... Love the quotation marks on the real, does that mean the complaints are only alleged.

And again, the stuff you brought up earlier have all been disproven time and time again, hence why I said they "have no ground to stand on".
I don't know if you're aware, but you're parroting "points" other users have said before you every time there has been a new episode.

*shrug* I guess that's one way to look at it.

You put the quotes on real first there bud. Simply dismissing the criticisms doesn't make them invalid or not real. Simply hand waiving the issues many people have with stuff like pacing or having basically every character having the same sense of humor or their personalities kind of being the same doesn't mean they are dispelled. Pretty sure I didn't complain about the time between updates anywhere there, iirc I may have mentioned it in passing in my review but not in this comment chain. I mean I did more or less say it was justified for the quality jump in this newest chapter.

The other points you made (3-5) are true of most other games here.

 

[RRX]

Ch10 update for Mac please?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

I guess I should probably added the disclaimers earlier in the post cause I did make it clear I meant the perception that the time was dedicated to that instead of main releases or content to tide people over between major releases, but maybe I didn't.

perception is reality and all that.

The thing is, perception is not reality. The subjective opinions of people who probably didn't even play the What Ifs aren't worth much. The dev continued working on chapter 10 and regularly posted evidence of progress, and the amount of content in chapter 10 outweighs all the What Ifs combined.

Could the dev have not made the What Ifs, and used the time to focus on chapter 10? I guess so, but we wouldn't have got it that much faster, and why should he rush to please pirates over his top supporters?

 

[hibc4]

Is the next game confirmed to have non canon ntr like this one?

 

[dartred]

next game is confirmed to not have any NTR at all.

 

[lipe2410]

People arguing about NTR and here i am sad because no one the official build. I don't want play the beta but seems like wait is useless

 

[Maestro91]

People arguing about NTR and here i am sad because no one the official build. I don't want play the beta but seems like wait is useless

Have you tried putting the [game] file from the ch 10 beta into the ch 9 official build?

 

[timewatchered]

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[lipe2410]

Have you tried putting the [game] file from the ch 10 beta into the ch 9 official build?

Dude, i'm not even dl ch 10 beta waiting for the final version. And i'm almost sure that i shouldn't do what you suggest

 

[DD69-1]

next game is confirmed to not have any NTR at all.

I think with Drew in the mix; PV will have at least 16-17 chapters in total, I could be wrong

 

[rhcp725]

Ok who had June 22 in the day it will get leaked pool?