Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[d_pedestrian]

Imagine you're playing an NTR game with non NTR contents as bad endings. You're under the impression that this is an NTR game with small non NTR content.

Now you've noticed that updates after updates these non canon contents are much longer and meaty.

If that wasn't enough this game started to get monthly updates around non NTR content.

So the game which was supposed to be an NTR game isn't exactly that anymore and Non NTR fans are enjoying this game every month whereas the NTR guys wait for months.

NTR fans are still happy because they are non canon and dev works in his 'free time' and continues to support the dev.

They are obviously oblivious to the fact that
1) Non NTR fans which were not the target audience at the beginning are enjoying this game every month.
2) This 'free time' could have been spent in main game content which would have made update span shorter.

Replace 'Non NTR' with 'NTR' and you'll understand what's going on here.

Non NTR fans who are very anti NTR are fine since these contents are non canon and ain't understanding that they are indirectly supporting dev to make NTR content. I know that non NTR what ifs get a few votes but they do mean something. Dev should have alternated between NTR and non NTR what ifs but it's non NTR what ifs every fucking month.

Including these non canon what ifs and game bad endings there are significant NTR content. These NTR scenes are no longer only small bad endings and non NTR fans are still not understanding that.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

Imagine you're playing an NTR game with non NTR contents as bad endings. You're under the impression that this is an NTR game with small non NTR content.

Now you've noticed that updates after updates these non canon contents are much longer and meaty.

If that wasn't enough this game started to get monthly updates around non NTR content.

So the game which was supposed to be an NTR game isn't exactly that anymore and Non NTR fans are enjoying this game every month whereas the NTR guys wait for months.

NTR fans are still happy because they are non canon and dev works in his 'free time' and continues to support the dev.

They are obviously oblivious to the fact that
1) Non NTR fans which were not the target audience at the beginning are enjoying this game every month.
2) This 'free time' could have been spent in main game content which would have made update span shorter.

Replace 'Non NTR' with 'NTR' and you'll understand what's going on here.

Non NTR fans who are very anti NTR are fine since these contents are non canon and ain't understanding that they are indirectly supporting dev to make NTR content. I know that non NTR what ifs get a few votes but they do mean something. Dev should have alternated between NTR and non NTR what ifs but it's non NTR what ifs every fucking month.

Including these non canon what ifs and game bad endings there are significant NTR content. These NTR scenes are no longer only small bad endings and non NTR fans are still not understanding that.

You totally lost me xD

 

[Pervinator]

Except the dev's free time wouldn't have been spent on the main story. They've said so numerous times. Why can't people accept that?

 

[QuantumVNs]

Pedestrian, you just care too much. If you're supporting, stop and move on to creators that suit your tastes better. If you're not a patron, move on to another free game that suits your tastes. Complaining loudly just results in people defending loudly and there's no way to separate the whiners from the majority opinion. If enough people feel like you do he'll notice the drop in subscribers/downloads and either adjust or do what he wants.
Either way, evaluate why you have so much emotional investment into a game which (with no offense meant to the dev) is pretty much a generic story of a guy running through his family and every other woman he meets.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Imagine you're playing an NTR game with non NTR contents as bad endings. You're under the impression that this is an NTR game with small non NTR content.

Now you've noticed that updates after updates these non canon contents are much longer and meaty.

If that wasn't enough this game started to get monthly updates around non NTR content.

So the game which was supposed to be an NTR game isn't exactly that anymore and Non NTR fans are enjoying this game every month whereas the NTR guys wait for months.

NTR fans are still happy because they are non canon and dev works in his 'free time' and continues to support the dev.

They are obviously oblivious to the fact that
1) Non NTR fans which were not the target audience at the beginning are enjoying this game every month.
2) This 'free time' could have been spent in main game content which would have made update span shorter.

Replace 'Non NTR' with 'NTR' and you'll understand what's going on here.

Non NTR fans who are very anti NTR are fine since these contents are non canon and ain't understanding that they are indirectly supporting dev to make NTR content. I know that non NTR what ifs get a few votes but they do mean something. Dev should have alternated between NTR and non NTR what ifs but it's non NTR what ifs every fucking month.

Including these non canon what ifs and game bad endings there are significant NTR content. These NTR scenes are no longer only small bad endings and non NTR fans are still not understanding that.

Your are correct that the NTR content has gotten longer and (counting the What Ifs) more frequent than it used to be. But your argument is intellectually dishonest because you don't acknowledge the overall increase in content, including vanilla content. Compare the relative number of sex scenes and it's obvious the majority are still vanilla.

However, I suppose it's possible that after enough What Ifs are made, the balance of vanilla to NTR could shift. Even if/when this comes to pass, most of the main game will still be vanilla. Stop acting like it's zero-sum, both "sides" actually win here. Isn't that better than the game not being funded, and abandoned? Then we all lose.

Side note: I actually do like your suggestion of alternating NTR and non-NTR What Ifs.

 

[QuantumVNs]

Side note: I actually do like your suggestion of alternating NTR and non-NTR What Ifs.

The dev tried that for a little while, and maybe it's still ongoing with with a 2-NTR 1-non (or whatever ratio) plan. IIRC, there just weren't many suggestions for non-NTR what-if content

 

[BlueCrossX]

The entitlement of a lot people on this site when it pertains to games and developers especially the people who don't pay a dime to act like they should have any say in how the game is made or what its content should be, it's always funny to me.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

The dev tried that for a little while, and maybe it's still ongoing with with a 2-NTR 1-non (or whatever ratio) plan. IIRC, there just weren't many suggestions for non-NTR what-if content

Another issue I think some aren't aware of was the rule that Sterling couldn't go further (sexually) with other characters in What Ifs than he had in the main game. Since Hunter's "bad endings" often occur before Sterling "goes all the way" with a character, this permitted more in NTR scenarios by default, because it would've been boring to have a What If be limited to a blowjob, for example.

I still hope to see some good non-NTR What Ifs, especially now that so many characters are "unlocked" (so to speak), but they need to be more interesting than simple romantic fan-service. That's not a story.

 

[dartred]

The dev tried that for a little while, and maybe it's still ongoing with with a 2-NTR 1-non (or whatever ratio) plan. IIRC, there just weren't many suggestions for non-NTR what-if content

^that's correct. Dev made it mandatory that if NTR won 2 times in a row, it can't be suggested again. Mostly because most request were NTR and he didn't see a reason not to just give the people what they wanted.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

The entitlement of a lot people on this site when it pertains to games and developers especially the people who don't pay a dime to act like they should have any say in how the game is made or what its content should be, it's always funny to me.

Sorry to disappoint, but actually I have the highest tier on his Patreon, and so many others that are also here.
Personally I don't like NTR of any kind, especially when not avoidable (like in the what-if).
But still, there are just too many NTR lovers in this game that is getting frustrating even participating in the polls and suggestions.

 

[ReiCaixa]

Including these non canon what ifs and game bad endings there are significant NTR content. These NTR scenes are no longer only small bad endings and non NTR fans are still not understanding that.

There are no canon NTR scenes in the game, all of them are bad endings. Hunter may try to do something but he'll never succeed if you don't let him, and if you let him you'll go back in time automatically to take the other choice.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

^that's correct. Dev made it mandatory that if NTR won 2 times in a row, it can't be suggested again. Mostly because most request were NTR and he didn't see a reason not to just give the people what they wanted.

Ehm....

WHAT IF #1 -> NTR
WHAT IF #2 -> NTR
WHAT IF #3 -> Vanilla
WHAT IF #4 -> NTR
WHAT IF #5 -> NTR
WHAT IF #6 -> NTR
WHAT IF #7 -> NTR
WHAT IF #8 -> NTR

It seems that the "mandatoy rule" wasn't mandatory xD

 

[Puma1978]

Oh holy shit i am still shocked....i just fast skipped through this "what if part 8" episode and deleted it afterwards thoroughly...i mean i am absolutley no fan of this futanari stuff but abusing Ophelia for such a Futa Overhaul orgy and let her use all single other females in the game.....even not Hunter or MC had this honor in any other Episodes...Why Ophelia....the only woman left in game who is overdue to get properly fucked by Hunter or Sterling....and I think this is really the longest "What If" Episodes yet so the dev did a real great job with massive content.....hope the folks who are into Futanari got their throat full and never suggest on patreon the dev to put this into main game....scary...

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

Oh holy shit i am still shocked....i just fast skipped through this "what if part 8" episode and deleted it afterwards thoroughly...i mean i am absolutley no fan of this futanari stuff but abusing Ophelia for such a Futa Overhaul orgy and let her use all single other females in the game.....even not Hunter or MC had this honor in any other Episodes...Why Ophelia....the only woman left in game who is overdue to get properly fucked by Hunter or Sterling....and I think this is really the longest "What If" Episodes yet so the dev did a real great job with massive content.....hope the folks who are into Futanari got their throat full and never suggest on patreon the dev to put this into main game....scary...

Aparently someone suggested this and convinced a bunch of futa-lovers to join the highest tier on Patreon just to make that suggestion win in the polls.

 

[d_pedestrian]

Sorry to disappoint, but actually I have the highest tier on his Patreon, and so many others that are also here.
Personally I don't like NTR of any kind, especially when not avoidable (like in the what-if).
But still, there are just too many NTR lovers in this game that is getting frustrating even participating in the polls and suggestions.

I would have stopped supporting him if I were in your place, let alone be one of his highest tier supporters.

You guys are seriously getting sidelined every month and you get the final game after waiting for months. You guys should really be vocal about things.

There should be alternate NTR and non NTR what ifs because even though non NTR votes are less these votes still mean something. Developer ignoring your votes and not giving you guys anything between main updates just shows that he don't really give a fuck about you non NTR folks.

I know that dev should try to earn as much as he can but you should also put your money where you and your opinion is valued.

 

[Puma1978]

I would have stopped supporting him if I were in your place, let alone be one of his highest tier supporters.

You guys are seriously getting sidelined every month and you get the final game after waiting for months. You guys should really be vocal about things.

There should be alternate NTR and non NTR what ifs because even though non NTR votes are less these votes still mean something. Developer ignoring your votes and not giving you guys anything between main updates just shows that he don't really give a fuck about you non NTR folks.

I know that dev should try to earn as much as he want but you should also put your money where you and your opinion is valued.

To be honest ...if i have to choose between getting NTR'd by Hunter with Ophelia and the Option to turn Ophelia into a Futa....i clearly choose the NTR with Hunter and Ophelia...
Anyway the What If Episodes are not really NTR to me anyway..

 

[QuantumVNs]

As someone who is not a fan of NTR, my only disappointment is that we didn't get a scene where MC does Ophelia from behind while she rails another girl.

 

[BlueCrossX]

Sorry to disappoint, but actually I have the highest tier on his Patreon, and so many others that are also here.
Personally I don't like NTR of any kind, especially when not avoidable (like in the what-if).
But still, there are just too many NTR lovers in this game that is getting frustrating even participating in the polls and suggestions.

I get that and sorry that you're getting frustrated but you're not who I'm talking about because I'm not just talking about people who don't like ntr it's just people on this site in general that insult people's game cause they don't like that person's interest or think because they don't like it the whole game should change. I also think Fayn Arawn brings up good point of how the WhatWhyGames does ntr compared to vanilla and I think he's right so maybe you would want to decrease your tier until after certain people get fucked in the main game but that's my suggestion which could definitely be wrong so listen at your own leisure.

 

[What? Why? Games]

Aparently someone suggested this and convinced a bunch of futa-lovers to join the highest tier on Patreon just to make that suggestion win in the polls.

Why are you spreading known nonsense as a possibility? You can't block the guy on Discord because you know he's a troll but then drop it on here like it's a rumor.

 

[dartred]

Ehm....

WHAT IF #1 -> NTR
WHAT IF #2 -> NTR
WHAT IF #3 -> Vanilla
WHAT IF #4 -> NTR
WHAT IF #5 -> NTR
WHAT IF #6 -> NTR
WHAT IF #7 -> NTR
WHAT IF #8 -> NTR

It seems that the "mandatoy rule" wasn't mandatory xD

It was lifted after what if 4 or 5, so the next vanilla that was mandatory was instead replaced by whatever the community wanted and yeah, NTR won.