Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

I hope the dev drops some forced NTR in the main game at this point, because people are going to bitch regardless. So might as well.

That would be the biggest mistake ever made, the dev made a point that the NTR will always be non-canonical and "outside" of the main game, that's why he started to make the what-ifs, because the majority of Patrons love NTR, but there are also tons of patrons (even if they are on lower tiers) that will leave immediately if NTR will become a non avoidable thing. So it would backfire in an horrible way.

 

[yourmomma]

That would be the biggest mistake ever made, the dev made a point that the NTR will always be non-canonical and "outside" of the main game, that's why he started to make the what-ifs, because the majority of Patrons love NTR, but there are also tons of patrons (even if they are on lower tiers) that will leave immediately if NTR will become a non avoidable thing. So it would backfire in an horrible way.

I'm just following the lead of everyone complaining about the game. Everything revolves around MY whims and desires. Duh. lol

 

[SuddenReal]

The MC has already, pretty early, shown the ability to make large amounts of money with minimal effort, so the "excuse" that Hunter is being kept around because he's paying for the house is particularly nonsensical. Not to mention the family could just move.

Yes, because if you have enough money to buy a new television, you have enough money to buy a house. No wonder you know so much about story telling, it's because you live in a fantasy world.

On the other hand, a shadowy organization is a MUCH more real threat because if they have the ability to get chemicals into you and your family's food without anyone noticing, how can you ever hope to escape them?

No, because it's a dumb premise. How are they doing this? Hunter succeeds because he LIVES in the house. A shadowy organization has no way to enter unseen, so all of their ploys are "just for the story" and thus a non-issue. There's different ways to advance the plot and "a wizard did it" is a bad way since that's just advancing the plot to advance the plot. Hunter also advances the plot, but that's a reaction to his actual present threat. We can guess and try to anticipate what he does, but an unknown organization with unknown motives, there's nothing we can do against that, so all agency is taken out of our hands. It's obvious you play with the NTR switch off since your suggestion offers no choice. With Hunter, the player is forced to make a choice and based on that choice we either have the good ending or the bad one. With a shadow organization, there's no choice, because what will happen if we make the wrong choice? A bunch of men will suddenly burst in the house and fuck everyone? That will obviously never happen, so there's no choice. And if there's no choice, there's no agency.

 

[MrJay]

Yes, because if you have enough money to buy a new television, you have enough money to buy a house. No wonder you know so much about story telling, it's because you live in a fantasy world.


No, because it's a dumb premise. How are they doing this? Hunter succeeds because he LIVES in the house. A shadowy organization has no way to enter unseen, so all of their ploys are "just for the story" and thus a non-issue. There's different ways to advance the plot and "a wizard did it" is a bad way since that's just advancing the plot to advance the plot. Hunter also advances the plot, but that's a reaction to his actual present threat. We can guess and try to anticipate what he does, but an unknown organization with unknown motives, there's nothing we can do against that, so all agency is taken out of our hands. It's obvious you play with the NTR switch off since your suggestion offers no choice. With Hunter, the player is forced to make a choice and based on that choice we either have the good ending or the bad one. With a shadow organization, there's no choice, because what will happen if we make the wrong choice? A bunch of men will suddenly burst in the house and fuck everyone? That will obviously never happen, so there's no choice. And if there's no choice, there's no agency.

No but if you have enough money to pay a housekeeper $8000 a month just to NOT do something, all from acting in a porn video every two weeks or so, then yeah, you could pretty easily work harder to get the money to pay for the house and everything.

Yeah, I'm playing with NTR off, and that's the entire basis of my argument. If you're playing with NTR on then why are you even arguing with me, when the entire time I've said that I don't want to change a single thing about the game as it is with NTR on? I don't give a single shit how the game is with NTR on, because I will never play it.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

No but if you have enough money to pay a housekeeper $8000 a month just to NOT do something, all from acting in a porn video every two weeks or so, then yeah, you could pretty easily work harder to get the money to pay for the house and everything.

Yeah, I'm playing with NTR off, and that's the entire basis of my argument. If you're playing with NTR on then why are you even arguing with me, when the entire time I've said that I don't want to change a single thing about the game as it is with NTR on? I don't give a single shit how the game is with NTR on, because I will never play it.

The NTR on just demonstrates why Hunter and Drew are so important for the whole plot! If you remove Hunter/Drew from the game, it will become like any other harem incest game. The NTR bad endings (totally non-canon) are the main key to understand why Hunter and Drew are ESSENTIAL to the plot. You can argue forever, but the presence of Hunter and Drew in the game is fundamental to keep all the shit together! And if you read carefully the dialogues, you will notice that now Sterling is planning to give 180.000$ to her mother over 3 years in order to get rid of Hunter (just like you want) in a way that doesn't raise suspicion from Hunter (he thinks that he is the only one capable of giving them money, so he has power over them).
I don'ìt like NTR at all, but I recognize the value of it in this story. Anything else beside Hunter/Drew as "villain", is totally incoherent for the plot as it is.

 

[MrJay]

The NTR on just demonstrates why Hunter and Drew are so important for the whole plot! If you remove Hunter/Drew from the game, it will become like any other harem incest game. The NTR bad endings (totally non-canon) are the main key to understand why Hunter and Drew are ESSENTIAL to the plot. You can argue forever, but the presence of Hunter and Drew in the game is fundamental to keep all the shit together! And if you read carefully the dialogues, you will notice that now Sterling is planning to give 180.000$ to her mother over 3 years in order to get rid of Hunter (just like you want) in a way that doesn't raise suspicion from Hunter (he thinks that he is the only one capable of giving them money, so he has power over them).
I don'ìt like NTR at all, but I recognize the value of it in this story. Anything else beside Hunter/Drew as "villain", is totally incoherent for the plot as it is.

I play with NTR off and the plot is completely coherent, so I will have to disagree. And the idea that it being "like any other harem incest game", first off isn't actually a coherently bad thing because many of those games are great, and secondly, is just wrong because most of those games also manage to have their own entirely unique identities and appealing qualities. Power Vacuum would still be its totally unique thing even if Hunter wasn't present.

And I don't need to argue forever. Maybe they are essential for the plot as it appears in the 'NTR on' version, I simply neither know nor care, but they're just not essential in the 'NTR off' version. And again, I've never once argued for changing anything in the 'NTR on' version, so if that's the version you play and you like it, great, I'm not talking about anything that would affect you.

 

[ScareKing]

I play with NTR off and the plot is completely coherent, so I will have to disagree. And the idea that it being "like any other harem incest game", first off isn't actually a coherently bad thing because many of those games are great, and secondly, is just wrong because most of those games also manage to have their own entirely unique identities and appealing qualities. Power Vacuum would still be its totally unique thing even if Hunter wasn't present.

And I don't need to argue forever. Maybe they are essential for the plot as it appears in the 'NTR on' version, I simply neither know nor care, but they're just not essential in the 'NTR off' version. And again, I've never once argued for changing anything in the 'NTR on' version, so if that's the version you play and you like it, great, I'm not talking about anything that would affect you.

Lets pretende Hunter became a "shadow agency", why they would help Ophelia and family? Why Ophelia would accept some random peoples help? When they start filling weird, why they wouldt move away? Even the whole sex stuff wouldnt make any sense since MC fuck every one because hes trying to stop Hunter, and MC money comes from sex scenes with Breanna, if him just appears with a bunch of cash out of nowhere, Ophelia would ask how he got that, and they live together, Ophelia knows MC dont have a job, and if you play with NTR On, you just see the consequences of MC mistakes but if you are not blind by anger against Hunter, you can see hes essential to the plot with NTR Off.

 

[jws_tex]

No one is answer this guys question. He's asking why the what ifs exist.

To put it simply, the Dev wanted to do more for the $20 tier to separate it from the other tiers. Before that, it was just getting the beta build a few days earlier. He did this to give his supporters more. He didn't have too and yet people who don't even pay, attack him for it. He could have been like many of the other patreon's that just give you the game a little early or a few pictures a month. Hell, WWG gives up to 7 pictures every 10 days. I've seen some devs that give you 1 or 3 pictures a month as a "status update".

people have to remember that the $20 tier what ifs is a "thank you" thing he does for people.

Thanks for taking the time. Much appreciated.

 

[jws_tex]

As yourmomma said, the dev says the What If's are basically like a side project for him, and time spent on them would otherwise be put into non-game stuff.
From my perspective, making a game is a creative pursuit, and without a little distraction you can easily lose interest in the project or even burn out from being too single minded in a limited box. The What If's give the dev the opportunity to play around the world without the time investment needed for quality writing and cohesive story (which IMO is what separates Power Vacuum from most games in the genre). Plus it allows the dev to create and share new renders and animations, honing his own skills, giving us more to fap to, and improving the main game product.
I'm sure you'd agree that if WWG were to bust out more frequent main game updates with mundane writing and sloppy, generic animations it would be a net negative from the fappers perspective.

Thank you for your reply! I appreciate the explanation. Makes good sense.

 

[jws_tex]

The Dev has already explained he sets aside a certain amount of time each day for the main story line and works on the " What Ifs " on the side for a lot less time. The "What Ifs " are just a fun side project to keep excitement for the main game alive. That do not cut into the main game development or cannon.

I'm beginning to find the controversy surrounding the " What Ifs " as hilarious. It's really not that big of a deal. Quite frankly I enjoy them and even more so now knowing how many people get senselessly butthurt over them.

Lucky for you guys I have the day off and I'm getting wildly entertained by all of this. So I'm camping out here licking up all the delicious tears.

Haha. Good attitude to have around here apparently. Thank you for taking your time to answer. I agree with you here.

 

[MrJay]

Lets pretende Hunter became a "shadow agency", why they would help Ophelia and family? Why Ophelia would accept some random peoples help? When they start filling weird, why they wouldt move away? Even the whole sex stuff wouldnt make any sense since MC fuck every one because hes trying to stop Hunter, and MC money comes from sex scenes with Breanna, if him just appears with a bunch of cash out of nowhere, Ophelia would ask how he got that, and they live together, Ophelia knows MC dont have a job, and if you play with NTR On, you just see the consequences of MC mistakes but if you are not blind by anger against Hunter, you can see hes essential to the plot with NTR Off.

You do realize the answers to many of those questions aren't even answered by the game as-is? The family already could easily move away especially since a majority of them dislikes Hunter from the very beginning. And the question of how Brenna makes money is ALREADY and issue in the game that it just doesn't address and pretends the mom doesn't know anything. It wouldn't change either way.

As for the rest such an organization could easily fool Ophelia into thinking she's accepting help from someone she knows, or from the government or something. Easy. And the MC would do the exact same things he's doing to try and stop the org.

No, he simply isn't essential. He does nothing in "NTR off" mode that can't be explained just as well in a million other ways.

 

[OnlyWorthyDevsMakeMoney]

You do realize the answers to many of those questions aren't even answered by the game as-is? The family already could easily move away especially since a majority of them dislikes Hunter from the very beginning. And the question of how Brenna makes money is ALREADY and issue in the game that it just doesn't address and pretends the mom doesn't know anything. It wouldn't change either way.

As for the rest such an organization could easily fool Ophelia into thinking she's accepting help from someone she knows, or from the government or something. Easy. And the MC would do the exact same things he's doing to try and stop the org.

No, he simply isn't essential. He does nothing in "NTR off" mode that can't be explained just as well in a million other ways.

Either you are trolling, or you haven't read correctly all the dialogues in the game. Without Hunter, there is no Power Vacuum as it is. Period.

 

[Greengoblinhobgoblin]

As long there is futa updates in this game i will support you dev

 

[pigg]

The sybian scenes were great, but that bush has got to go.

 

[TGafy]

is it suppose to go white screen every time the MC cums
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That's just a result of the MC cumming so hard that it covers the entire room each time.

For real though, that is not supposed to happen. Perhaps delete and then reinstall the game.

 

[rhcp725]

So let's deep dive why Hunter is important shall we. Hunters actions in the past did irreparable damage to Sterling's father which lead to how he treated him, which caused Sterling to leave home in the first place. This caused major problems for Brenna towards Sterling because she felt abandoned by her brother not knowing the full situation. Once the game picks up after the father's death and Sterling coming home he finds that Hunter is responsible for paying for them to keep the house. Sterling initially has zero romantic interest in his family and only gets closer to them as a result of protecting them from Hunter. Throughout the game Hunter is drugging the food and air they are eating/drinking. Everything Sterling has done in the game in regards to his family is the result of Hunters actions.

So after all that what would the game be without Hunter? A happy family that doesn't fuck each other and there is no adult visual novel to experience because there is no catalyst to push the story forward. He is essential to the fabric of the narrative. Without him there is no game period. Stop thinking he is replaceable without destroying the very foundation of which thr game had been built on.

 

[yourmomma]

MrJay: I can't stand Hunter.
Also MrJay: I like the plot of the non NTR route.

Clearly someone just likes to argue and has the free time do so.

Alright, time to get back to work on my flooring!

 

[Tr89]

That's just a result of the MC cumming so hard that it covers the entire room each time.

For real though, that is not supposed to happen. Perhaps delete and then reinstall the game.

would the lewdpatch cause it
cause i have that insta too

 

[SuddenReal]

I don't want to change a single thing about the game as it is with NTR on? I don't give a single shit how the game is with NTR on, because I will never play it.

You already are playing the game, since it's the exact same game! You just don't get the choice the others have and thus automatically pick the right one.

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Yeah, I'm playing with NTR off, and that's the entire basis of my argument. If you're playing with NTR on then why are you even arguing with me, when the entire time I've said that I don't want to change a single thing about the game as it is with NTR on? I don't give a single shit how the game is with NTR on, because I will never play it.

Your huffing lethal levels of Copium my guy.