Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Agul]

Thats 18%-21% out of the whole Ch

So?

 

[Ghostboy031]

Thats 18%-21% out of the whole Ch

Awwww nooooo tttttttthat means only at least 79% is vanilla

 

[Miliryan]

Haha "boycotting", im just pointing out what apparently will become reality.

We have 300 animations total this Ch

Adding up 4 total NTR scenes 55-60 (10-15 each average) animations is a pretty good estimation considering those will be big scenes.

Thats 18%-21% out of the whole Ch

NTR never took this much from any Ch prior.

(Counting Ch 6 and up after Sterling decided to finally use his pipi)

Umm, you know the '4 ntr scenes' is just a theory at the moment, right? As far as i know this is not confirmed. From the teasers it is not clarified either. The different girls could be in one ntr ending with several little scenes ... Like the one where the MC becomes blind and deaf.

 

[Sinopsiso]

Well. Hunter already had scenes with anyone except Tiff. So group scene is not that suprising. Drew for now is new, so it seems her scenes will be more paires. However i doubt the game will have another 10 chapter, so i think it will be like:
1. Drew with Brenna.
2. Drew with Katherine.
3. Hunter Group.

Funny i was sure, it would be Drew with Lucia, but it seems her time is not yet up.

 

[lipe2410]

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Some people will whining as never before because of this Hunter/Ophelia/Brenna threesome. Hope there is a threesome with Sterling too, maybe a proper Catherine/Amber/Sterling and/or a proper Sterling/Brenna/Hotel's girl threesome.

 

[lipe2410]

And also hope in ch. 11 we can see Hunter be punished again when we pick the right choice to avoid the bad. I love the Sterling's scenes with Alizia and Ophelia in ch. 10 but was kind boring that to avoid the bad ending Sterling just run away and nothing bad happened to Hunter. I wanna see the old creep bastard suffering again. He be forced to just watch in displeasure Sterling fucks one the girls after Sterling "defeat" him again.

 

[TrueJackal]

Even though more people have come to accept or even enjoy NTR, making it canon would be a bad decision, at least outside of maybe the final chapter where the bad end is allowed to go without needing to rewind. Since it's the end of the game.

If you leave it as canon, the game has to continue with that girl as being NTR'd and there's a lot of people who wouldn't like that. It would also make the NTR off option obsolete since it would now be required to see for the story.

So I don't see NTR ever being canon, outside the final chapter where the game just ends after the NTR instead of rewinding.

edit: I meant that Along with the true PV end that is probably going to be Sterling harem. The bad ends will also be possible endings.

One option for WWG is that in the final chapter the last NTR Bad End is cannon because it'll just be like other VNs with branching paths. Previous bad ends can't be cannon because it would conflict with the main story continuing. In the final chapter both the good and the bad ending would be cannon based on the players decision.

Personally I don't like NTR if I'm playing from the cuck's perspctive but I'm perfectly fine with it from the bull's perspective.

As for the story, yeah putting unskippable NTR this far into the main story would just be a poor idea for the dev given the audience he's already built and the progression of the current story. Although I'd be interested to see what he comes up with if he wants to do another game that was NTR focused.

 

[lipe2410]

Oh, and i also remember that avoiding the bad end, Sterling usually is the one getting action with the girl or girls that will feature the bad ending. Considering this is probably the chapter Sterling will have vaginal sex with Ophelia, the Hunter/Ophelia/Brenna bad ending could indicate a Sterling/Ophelia/Brenna scene when we avoid the bad end. Maybe not a proper threesome but someting close. God, even i never playing the bad ends (and never will, screw Hunter), these last previews really make me more eager fot ch. 11 with these possibilities.

 

[Kellermann]

I might delay it by a few days

This is the solemn oath all AVN dev must swear to while sacrificing a goat during a midnight robed torchlight ceremony before picking up their dev membership card.
Now you are truly ready.
Fare journey fren

 

[BadGuano]

Haha "boycotting", im just pointing out what apparently will become reality.

We have 300 animations total this Ch

Adding up 4 total NTR scenes 55-60 (10-15 each average) animations is a pretty good estimation considering those will be big scenes.

Thats 18%-21% out of the whole Ch

NTR never took this much from any Ch prior.

(Counting Ch 6 and up after Sterling decided to finally use his pipi)

Yes. You are correct. I was honestly worried at first when I noticed it, butt then I realized that this is the most NTR we heve ever gotten in a chapter and to that I say:

We got to pump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers in this bracket!

 

[Drearash]

I pitched it as a theory, based on a line of dialogue which I may certainly be reading too deep into. So your "point", that my point is probably wrong, should go without saying. But why don't you engage it directly, and offer an alternative to my take on David's writings?

I did. Twice. I pointed out that there is nothing particularly surprising about David's possessiveness towards his mom and sis, given the circumstances he grew up in. It was just the three of them and he was basically the man of the house from the time he was four. That, perhaps along with a flair for melodrama, are all the horses one needs to account for the hoofbeats of possessiveness you hear in what David wrote; no incestuous zebras are needed.

I believe the word you're looking for is "redundant", but yes, that is exactly what I'm suggesting: by committing the same actions, Sterling more or less becomes his father, first by fucking his sister, and then by fucking Ophelia. In my opinion, this would be consistent with the central themes of this whole game.

Sterling's boinking anything with tits would indeed be consistent with the central themes of the game. It is a harem game, after all. I don't see what that has to do with the notion that David was Lucia's father, though. Sterling fucks Mallory, Eva, Aliza, and Tiff, too. Are you suggesting that David is their father as well? Is he Amber's and Sumiko's father, too? What about the hotel clerk lady?

The absent father trope is there for one simple reason: to make Sterling's mom and sisters sexually available to him. Lucia doesn't need that, any more than Mallory et al. do. It's not that deep, bro.

Did you complain this much when Oedipus fucked his mother?

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Yes, the journal was a surprise and made us have sympathy for David, but do you still feel the same amount of sympathy after finding out he was cheating on Ophelia with Drew?

Empathy for David isn't the argument. My point is that the journal's contents are presented as a momentous reveal. It's a payoff that had a big honking buildup, starting with the first mention of David's will. Your idea turns that momentous reveal into a "wah-wah" anticlimax, for no discernible benefit.

If you're just not feeling my idea, that's totally fair. I'm not trying to say my idea is the "right" one, just that it's "possible".

I assume you've seen the teaser where Sterling shows Ophelia something on a laptop which cause her to cry?

No, I don't pay much attention to teasers.

I'm just guessing (as I've tried to convey throughout these posts, if you could just see the forest for the trees) that this being the reveal of the affair might be too obvious. I also want Drew to stick around longer. But hey, maybe it is exactly what it looks like, and Drew leaves, or doesn't, whatever?

I don't see why Drew couldn't stick around longer, even if Ophelia knew about the affair. Among other things, you underestimate Drew's ability to manipulate and shade perception. She's already getting her hooks into the family; it is perfectly plausible that, even if Ophelia found out about her and David's affair, that Drew could frame David as the seducer and herself as some sort of victim. Ophelia is probably more primed to assume the worst of David than of Drew at this point.

And don't forget that Drew is as much her sister as Aliza is. How would Ophelia react if Aliza were revealed to have had an affair with David. O would get mad, sure. But would she kick Aliza out of the story?

There's also the point that Drew is under Hunter's wing, and Hunter is paying the bills, which limits Ophelia's freedom of moement and caps Sterling's ability to neutralize Drew just by showing Ophelia information.

Finally, even if Drew did "go", she might pull a fake disappearing act much the same way Hunter did, only to reappear unexpectedly at Aliza's house, cock at the ready.

In short, your idea "solves" problems that don't really need a novel solution.

Are you this trusting in real life? David's credibility has been called into serious question due to the affair. That doesn't mean what he wrote is untrue, just that he may have chosen not to write about everything.

It's not a question of trust; it is simply a question of horses versus zebras. If a writer presents a narrator expositing that x happens in a story, my default assumption going forward is that that's more or less what happened, until a compelling reason to think otherwise appears.

Why does there have to be "blame"?

You tell me. You're the one trying to link Lucia's mental health condition to something David did wrong.

I'm just trying to "connect the dots", something I enjoy with mystery stories. Lucia is clearly different (mentally), and I thought this could be a "Chekhov's Gun" scenario where there would be a narrative reason for it. I'm not passing judgement on anyone, and I'm too told to give a shit about getting credit for my sensitivity, but I am starting to wonder about your brain, given how focused you are on this particular topic. If I hit too close to home, then I apologize. If you're moralizing to me, consider you're on a porn forum. If you're just being an obtuse contrarian, F off.

Perhaps you should calm down and stop trying to personalize this.

 

[JabyShrek988]

Non canonical NTR and the fact that we are not Sterling are just two things to take away from this game without writing 500 words essay on an adult website.

 

[SuddenReal]

Yes, the journal was a surprise and made us have sympathy for David, but do you still feel the same amount of sympathy after finding out he was cheating on Ophelia with Drew?

That journal and the fact that we've been warned (and have experienced in Tif's bad ending) that Drew is very manipulative makes me feel there's something fishy about those e-mails. I think that whole thing is a set up.

 

[ScareKing]

Oh, and i also remember that avoiding the bad end, Sterling usually is the one getting action with the girl or girls that will feature the bad ending. Considering this is probably the chapter Sterling will have vaginal sex with Ophelia, the Hunter/Ophelia/Brenna bad ending could indicate a Sterling/Ophelia/Brenna scene when we avoid the bad end. Maybe not a proper threesome but someting close. God, even i never playing the bad ends (and never will, screw Hunter), these last previews really make me more eager fot ch. 11 with these possibilities.

Actually Hunter always hit something first, like Ophelia vaginal last chapter, i dont know if dev plans to keep that with multiple girls but this is how we knows how ahead Hunter is, i believe MC got some threesome but not al the way, maybe something like Brenna and Catherine was suck him but had to stop because Ophelia was coming, its funny how teasers make me realy excited but then i remember what this thread will become lol, a bunch of guys crying because NTR still a option and some people trying to argue with that, its kinda sad.

 

[Drearash]

That journal and the fact that we've been warned (and have experienced in Tif's bad ending) that Drew is very manipulative makes me feel there's something fishy about those e-mails. I think that whole thing is a set up.

What sort of set up did you have in mind?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

That journal and the fact that we've been warned (and have experienced in Tif's bad ending) that Drew is very manipulative makes me feel there's something fishy about those e-mails. I think that whole thing is a set up.

That's an interesting possibility, despite it being based on suspicion and not hard facts.

In order for that to work it'd have to be a pretty long con, as the emails go back years. Or Kevin might be a co-conspirator, since he provided the emails to Sterling. Given Kevin's and Drew's apparent lack of sophisticated computer skills (per the "class" in chapter 10) I think this would've been difficult for them to pull off.

I've also considered that the emails might be taken out of context somehow, and that Sterling is misinterpreting them, but the various contents of those emails give a fairly clear takeaway.

If David was set up, was it before or after he died? (I don't see what Drew would gain by a posthumous character assassination.) What would Drew's endgame have been, merely to separate David and Ophelia... so Drew could have Ophelia? It seems like a lot of work, and so far Drew comes across as more of an opportunist who doesn't have to try that hard (unlike Hunter).

I'm not arguing your theory, just trying to test its viability.

 

[lipe2410]

Actually Hunter always hit something first, like Ophelia vaginal last chapter, i dont know if dev plans to keep that with multiple girls but this is how we knows how ahead Hunter is, i believe MC got some threesome but not al the way, maybe something like Brenna and Catherine was suck him but had to stop because Ophelia was coming, its funny how teasers make me realy excited but then i remember what this thread will become lol, a bunch of guys crying because NTR still a option and some people trying to argue with that, its kinda sad.

Yeah i know that, that's why i said could be something close to a threesome. For example, if we avoid the Ophelia/Brenna bad end we can get a scene like the Ophelia/Alizia scene in ch. 10: Sterling fucks one first and then fucks another.

 

[Puma1978]

Drew and Brenna? That's what i am talking about!



In Ch 11 there will be more sex than ever. So, definitely more vanilla content. It would be logical, that there is more ntr for keeping the 'balance.'

Not bad so far...but if he starts again the Futa Nonsens as in one of the pics already shown then i rework the game and make my own version...

 

[MoreLinks]

Had a stupid theory.

Wasn't there a teaser with Hunter dressed up as a mad doctor and Sterling strapped to a chair? What if Hunter pulls some comic book shit and switches consciousness with Sterling (in a bad end). I think it was even called the final solution. He's already tried to steal the girls while dressing up as Sterling. What's more, this teaser of Hunter plus Ophelia and Brenna could actually be a twist: Sterling in Hunter's body. That way WWG could have both vanilla fans and ntr fans "tie" for who gets the threesome first, lol.

...I swear I haven't been drinking.

 

[SuddenReal]

What sort of set up did you have in mind?

If David was set up, was it before or after he died? (I don't see what Drew would gain by a posthumous character assassination.) What would Drew's endgame have been, merely to separate David and Ophelia... so Drew could have Ophelia? It seems like a lot of work, and so far Drew comes across as more of an opportunist who doesn't have to try that hard (unlike Hunter).

Oh, before he died, obviously. It might have been a ploy set up by Hunter and Drew to get David out of the picture, so Hunter could return to the original plan of banging Ophelia (with the added bonusses of Brenna and Catherine). If Drew is anything like Hunter, well, we all know that Hunter is very vindictive and cruel. So, if Hunter came up with the plan to use Drew's "new body" to catfish David, I'm sure they'd go along with it (if only for the reason that David took away their "first love"). Which, btw, is another reason why I don't trust this "affair" between them. I'm sure David didn't know Drew's true identity, but clearly Drew must have known who David was. Why would Drew start a relationship with the man who took away his "girlfriend"?