VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.03+p] [Zorlun]

[TheLecher]

There's only incest in the modded version... It's a third-party modification.

Now, you and I both know that it was intended that Mark and Myriam were mother & son then Patreon reared its ugly head and made its demands of Zorlun, so there is no incest in the game. Not even in the Prometheus version.
That's why Ouch2020 waits until the Prometheus version has been released before updating his mod.

Yes, ouch2020's incest patch is a third-party modification. I don't dispute that at all.

And yes, Patreon's censorship is the reason why there's no incest in the Patreon version. (Fuck Patreon.) But that can't be the only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon. If the Prometheus version includes one type of content which would get Zorlun banned on Patreon, then it can include other types of content banned by Patreon. There has to be an additional reason why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version.

My best guess as to why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version is that he decided that it was just too much work. Changing the script for the game to eliminate incest for Patreon must have been a huge pain in the ass, and maybe he didn't want to go to all that bother again, to change it back for SubscribeStar. That's just a guess, though.

Of course, that guess only applies to the relationship between Marc and Myriam. If Zorlun does decide to include incest between Myriam and her father and/or brother - which he tells us is not yet decided - then he pretty much has to add it to the Prometheus patch, because ouch2020 isn't going to render those scenes for him. The ipatch which ouch2020 makes only modifies the text in the game. It doesn't add images.

 

[Snugglepuff]

(Fuck Patreon.)

Ewww, no. Might catch something horrible. Like, super-aids or Hepatitus-paedophilia!
It's more fuck Paypal and payment processors than Patreon, since they were the ones who leant on Patreon in the first place on that kind of thing.

But that can't be the only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon.

I was going to provide a much longer response, with examples of what's already been explained, but then I remember the last couple of times that went, where you decided on your own "personal interpretation" of Zorlun's words.
So, here's the short version... Because Zorlun.

 

[ouch2020]

only reason why it's not in the Prometheus version, since that version includes bestiality, which is also forbidden by Patreon. If the Prometheus version includes one type of content which would get Zorlun banned on Patreon, then it can include other types of content banned by Patreon. There has to be an additional reason why Zorlun didn't add the incest back in for the Prometheus version.
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If Zorlun does decide to include incest between Myriam and her father and/or brother - which he tells us is not yet decided - then he pretty much has to add it to the Prometheus patch, because ouch2020 isn't going to render those scenes for him. The ipatch which ouch2020 makes only modifies the text in the game. It doesn't add images.

There is no doubt I am a third party, as I pointed out long ago when someone suggested I was Zorlun under under login - that, because Patreon had threatened to shut down Zorlun even if he distributed an incest patch through another site.

At the same time, the incest between Myriam and Marc was there in the game and in Zorlun's idea from the start, and some scenes with him already happened before Patreon's intervention.
So, everybody should remember I did not add up something that was not as idea already in the game, I tried to restore an idea that was already there.
It would be different for Katherine. Even before Patreon's intervention, there was no scene, phrase, nothing suggesting Katherine could have an incestous interest in Myriam (or viceversa).
So, adding that up, would mean modifying heavily the flow and premises of the story, something I had promised Zorlun not to do. I make plenty of naughty suggestions here, but it's up to him to decide whether they fit in and pick them up, or not.

Also, as you pointed out, I don't add up images, I do not have the assets, nor the time, nor can I coordinate with Zorlun for that.

Also please notice, independently from any other information you may or may not have received, which may or may not be reliable, remember always that the Prometheus patch is not from Zorlun and does not involve Zorlun, for the same reason I indicated above about the risk from Patreon.

That is also one good reason Zorlun may or may not put the incest with brother or father (though the one with the brother, as Myriam helping him feel good, would be more easily in line with the contents till now, including the sessions with Dr Silver) - the risk of Patreon's intervention.
It was obvious that someone suggested to Patreon to check him, that is why he was "busted", of course he would prefer to avoid having again the same problem.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

So this amateur from a new game says this

Myriam would like a word with the judges UH, Hold my Beer

 

[doccop63]

Ouch2020 makes valid points about the amount of work it would take to accommodate a M/D relationship. He would basically have to re-write and re-render the entire story, which he keeps reiterating is about Myriam as well as Katherine being an emotional anchor.
I am & have been working on an adult story that is going on 2 1/2 years now. The MC is a female protag who is a porn actress. She's involved in incest with Every member of her family ( male & female) with heavy bestiality, light BDSM (for now), mild violence (for now) and corruption. TRUST me, just getting this far has been taxing and I don't even Do rendering (I don't have the patience to even learn at this point).
I said all of that to say this point. My MC has a daughter but I have Zero intention of anything being incestuous now or in the future because the daughter is a grounding point for the MC. I added a conversation between the MC & the family to keep their kinks as far away from the daughter as possible. Somebody has to be incorruptible to keep the MC from "wilding out" any further, as it were.
I guess the point I'm making here is, despite the amount of work it would take to rewrite the situations in a nearly 3year story, I don't Want to do that. If I had to factor in renderings, I Definitely wouldn't want to. That's why I respect Zorlun's stance on the matter. Sure, the suggestions would be hot for those into that trope but it would change his story. Given that I'm only Writing a story, completely changing the story, especially after all of the work gone into it thus far, is out of the question for me.
And btw, Great job Zorlun. IMO, Project Myriam is the best game out there.

 

[Snugglepuff]

It was obvious that someone suggested to Patreon to check him, that is why he was "busted", of course he would prefer to avoid having again the same problem.

Lecher as Patreon mole confirmed!

 

[TheLecher]

I was going to provide a much longer response, with examples of what's already been explained, but then I remember the last couple of times that went, where you decided on your own "personal interpretation" of Zorlun's words.

Oh, yeah. The conversation in which you carefully ignored Zorlun's precise wording, in order to insist on an interpretation which Zorlun overrode immediately after our argument. I remember that.

But I'm not going to have that argument again here in this thread. We've argued about it twice already, with no resolution, and both times Zorlun has gotten upset. Feel free to send me a private message, if you want to continue the debate.

That is also one good reason Zorlun may or may not put the incest with brother or father (though the one with the brother, as Myriam helping him feel good, would be more easily in line with the contents till now, including the sessions with Dr Silver) - the risk of Patreon's intervention.

If Patreon was going to take action over the Prometheus version of the game, they would have done so already. It's clear that Patreon isn't checking the files Zorlun posts on SubscribeStar.

 

[TomUK]

If Patreon was going to take action over the Prometheus version of the game, they would have done so already. It's clear that Patreon isn't checking the files Zorlun posts on SubscribeStar.

The Patreon thing (if I remember rightly) is basically about their bank, personally I don't think they give a shit about the content people want to play, it's more to do with their bank threatening them with closing their accounts if they carry on allowing 'taboo' content they don't want to be associated with.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

God dammit, are you two still having this fucking fight?

Stop. Just, please for the love of fuck, stop.

 

[TheLecher]

God dammit, are you two still having this fucking fight?

Stop. Just, please for the love of fuck, stop.

You stop.

Did you not read this?

But I'm not going to have that argument again here in this thread. We've argued about it twice already, with no resolution, and both times Zorlun has gotten upset. Feel free to send me a private message, if you want to continue the debate.

If you're not going to read my post, then don't complain about it.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

So that's a no, then. Awesome.

 

[TheLecher]

So that's a no, then. Awesome.

Again, you're apparently not good at reading.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Again, you're apparently not good at reading.

I can read just fine, thanks. I will sum up:

"You're completely wrong and I'm going to argue about it and claim I am correct, but then call the moral high ground by saying I'm not going to argue about this after I just argued about it."

Yeah, that doesn't work.

 

[TheLecher]

I can read just fine, thanks. I will sum up:

"You're completely wrong and I'm going to argue about it and claim I am correct, but then call the moral high ground by saying I'm not going to argue about this after I just argued about it."

Yeah, that doesn't work.

Nice job. Now I'll sum up for you.

"This argument ended as soon as it started, and it's been over for hours, but I want to try to be a keyboard warrior and act like the sheriff in this thread, in the hope that I'll get a few "likes" on my post. So I'm going to try to stir things up again, insert myself into the debate, and then beg off."

Yeah, that doesn't work.

 

[Snugglepuff]

Two people who've been at odds over the same thing in the past say their piece to eachother and that they won't be repeating past actions, just for a third party to come in and an entirely seperate (yet all too familiar in method and detail) shitstorm starts brewing with someone else...

 

[doccop63]

Petty people who have nothing better to do. Like Alfred said in the second Chris Bale - Batman movie: "Some people just want to see the world burn".

 

[Snugglepuff]

Petty people who have nothing better to do. Like Alfred said in the second Chris Bale - Batman movie: "Some people just want to see the world burn".

The former doesn't go with the latter, which was Alfred pointing out that The Joker was a nihilist.

 

[ramvivat]

i have deep question.
In general, who can tell me if we are making Miriam a kind of public whore or am I misunderstanding something?
i need to know for myself - do i love this game or this is not my cup of tea?
because in my opinion one thing is Miriam explore herself through limited public use (=this is training like training of Adrianna in "Restore her Career") and completelly diffferent thing when Miriam is whoring for become public whore (prostitute). what is final goal of this VN? where Miriam will become in the end?

sorry if my question is too deep.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

i have deep question.
In general, who can tell me if we are making Miriam a kind of public whore or am I misunderstanding something?
i need to know for myself - do i love this game or this is not my cup of tea?
because in my opinion one thing is Miriam explore herself through limited public use (=this is training like training of Adrianna in "Restore her Career") and completelly diffferent thing when Miriam is whoring for become public whore (prostitute). what is final goal of this VN? where Miriam will become in the end?

sorry if my question is too deep.

Looks like players will decide that and both will be within options along with other options for the end game.

 

[Snugglepuff]

i have deep question.
In general, who can tell me if we are making Miriam a kind of public whore or am I misunderstanding something?

Sort of...
If you choose to have her do things that make her into a public whore, then that's what she becomes.
There's so much choice and variety available for how each of us chooses to mold Myriam, and with relative freedom in how we do it. Even then, when presented with the choices, any public whoring must still be chosen for it to happen.