DIRTY FILTHY Animal

Formerly 'DIRTY Filthy RAT'
Jun 11, 2020
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i have deep question.
In general, who can tell me if we are making Miriam a kind of public whore or am I misunderstanding something?
i need to know for myself - do i love this game or this is not my cup of tea?
because in my opinion one thing is Miriam explore herself through limited public use (=this is training like training of Adrianna in "Restore her Career") and completelly diffferent thing when Miriam is whoring for become public whore (prostitute). what is final goal of this VN? where Miriam will become in the end?

sorry if my question is too deep.
However you want your Myriam to be, she could be a nun or a turbo slut, or somewhere in between. You have the freedom to decide who you want her to bang, everything is optional
 

ramvivat

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However you want your Myriam to be, she could be a nun or a turbo slut, or somewhere in between. You have the freedom to decide who you want her to bang, everything is optional
well - i wish to train Miriam into Marc's personal incest breeding slut - nothing more... for little silent happiness.

for her son, Miriam will be a mega whore,
so that when her son is next to her, she will be such a whore that street whores next to Miriam will seem like nuns.
but when her beloved son is not around, Miriam should be so modest that the nuns next to her will look like whores.
although this is probably just my ideal woman, which probably does not exist.
But can I even dream? =)
 
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peas

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Jul 31, 2018
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Never want Myriam to be a prostitute. Never big on forced sex. Want her to be slutty because she is a slut. Kinks are different for everyone, but the wanting to try things is at her core. Love a classic love sory, but this is not that. This is the story of a woman who is exited to try all kinds of different sex acts.
 

wildride69

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Jan 5, 2023
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Two people who've been at odds over the same thing in the past say their piece to eachother and that they won't be repeating past actions, just for a third party to come in and an entirely seperate (yet all too familiar in method and detail) shitstorm starts brewing with someone else...

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Yeah I almost started typing a reply to their discussion, then I checked the thread and realized how old and repeated the conversation really was....then I said NOPE!!! :) and "My names Paul this shit is between y'all"
 

ouch2020

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If Patreon was going to take action over the Prometheus version of the game, they would have done so already. It's clear that Patreon isn't checking the files Zorlun posts on SubscribeStar.
Well, honestly, I don't think, and even Zorlun said it himself, that it was Patreon directly, more someone that reported to Patreon. So, the trick is what triggered the person to report it to Patreon.
Patreon's decision to ban someone is not subject to an appeal process, and they are not really oblliged to even give a reason.
If Zolrun included incest again, and that was what had triggered the person's reaction, the person could go to Patreon, show them what they downloaded, and Patreon could kick Zorlun out, period.

That is the difference with me, the only three things for sure in common between me and Zorlun are that we are both male, we both can speak French, and we both have an account on F95 - so, even if the persons sees the incest patch and tries to point it out to Patreon, if they are a minimum coherent with their own rules, they cannot ban Zorlun for that.
 

ouch2020

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i have deep question.
In general, who can tell me if we are making Miriam a kind of public whore or am I misunderstanding something?
i need to know for myself - do i love this game or this is not my cup of tea?
because in my opinion one thing is Miriam explore herself through limited public use (=this is training like training of Adrianna in "Restore her Career") and completelly diffferent thing when Miriam is whoring for become public whore (prostitute). what is final goal of this VN? where Miriam will become in the end?

sorry if my question is too deep.
I can only reconfirm, from the what was said from Zorlun himself, and from looking at the code, that the only things inevitable are things like Marc peeping on Myriam in the prologue, the sex scene with Anthony at the motel and another one at home, and things like the "clothing malfunction" of the cousin at the start, so, it is up to you.
Can she "do" anything breathing (well, necrophilia is not in the list of tags/kinks, and is not foresseen :)) ? Yes, if you want so.
Can she become a porn actress ? Well, it has been already hinted one of the endings could go in that direction, actually, even before the ending.
Can she only have lesbian sexual activity after the mandatory episodes with Anthony ? Possible, means skipping most content, but possible.
Can she be almost a nun, doing basically no sex aside the mandatory part with Anthony ? Also possible, though then, there would be basically no naughty content.
Etc. etc.
It's one of the stated goals of Zorlun, try to make a game where people can choose different paths, and that will have different possible endings depending on the player choices and preferences.
 

xapican

Devoted Member
May 11, 2020
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To be clear, and this is for the Newer gamers;
you other guys were around so we all know what happend.
Zorluns acount is not Banned,
It was frozen till he removed all Incest and put the game advertised on that site acording to their regulations. It is still active and you can support him there if you like.
he has also an SubscribeStar (SS) acount with another version (let us call it like that here) than the one posted in patreon also without I cest but with other banned content.
You also can support him there if you like.
ouch2020 ; Has nothing to do with Zorlun, and provides for Incest fans the patch free and only on this site.
 

TheLecher

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Nov 21, 2018
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If Zolrun included incest again, and that was what had triggered the person's reaction, the person could go to Patreon, show them what they downloaded, and Patreon could kick Zorlun out, period.

That is the difference with me, the only three things for sure in common between me and Zorlun are that we are both male, we both can speak French, and we both have an account on F95 - so, even if the persons sees the incest patch and tries to point it out to Patreon, if they are a minimum coherent with their own rules, they cannot ban Zorlun for that.
There are two things wrong with this line of reasoning.

First, if a person showing Patreon a copy of the game with incest in it would trigger action from Patreon, even if that copy of the game had been posted on SubscribeStar, instead of Patreon, what do you think they would do if someone showed them a copy of the game with bestiality in it? If Patreon is going to take action against Zorlun for something which is posted on SubscribeStar, they already have all the cause to act that they would ever require, incest or no incest.

Second, why would someone who wanted to cause trouble for Zorlun direct Patreon here to F95? Why wouldn't they just add your incest patch to the game, and then send that to Patreon? If you're correct in your assumption that Patreon would act against Zorlun on the basis of an unverified copy of the game provided to them by a player, then consider the fact that, once your patch has been added to the game, that copy of the game has incest, and Patreon wouldn't have any way of knowing that it was the work of a third party. You patch does not include a disclaimer, stating that the incest content was not made by Zorlun, and the patch changes the scripts. If Patreon ever got their hands on a patched copy of the game, they'd have no way to know that it wasn't 100% Zorlun's work.

In the end, there are only two things Zorlun can do, with regard to his Patreon account. He can either eliminate the Prometheus version of the game, even on SubscribeStar, and only release the Patreon version, or he can go on doing whatever he wants in the Prometheus version, and keep his fingers crossed that Patreon won't check the version on SubscribeStar, because the version that already exists on SubscribeStar would get him banned on Patreon just as quickly as the ipatch would.
 

Snugglepuff

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Apr 27, 2017
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Second, why would someone who wanted to cause trouble for Zorlun direct Patreon here to F95? Why wouldn't they just add your incest patch to the game, and then send that to Patreon? If you're correct in your assumption that Patreon would act against Zorlun on the basis of an unverified copy of the game provided to them by a player, then consider the fact that, once your patch has been added to the game, that copy of the game has incest, and Patreon wouldn't have any way of knowing that it was the work of a third party. You patch does not include a disclaimer, stating that the incest content was not made by Zorlun, and the patch changes the scripts. If Patreon ever got their hands on a patched copy of the game, they'd have no way to know that it wasn't 100% Zorlun's work.
It's a high probability that Patreon knows about F95 already. It's not exactly some anonymous site that requires actual effort to find.
Hell, just do a search for F95zone and look at the results you get. These forums are publicly known enough that only the most closeted shut-in retard would think Patreon doesn't know about this site.

In the event that they somehow don't, Zorlun would be forced into the position of telling Patreon that it's not his work, that it's been done by a third-party and direct them here along with the username of the individual making it - ouch2020, who they cannot force into stopping making the modified file since they don't own the project, and neither can Zorlun since the only viable recourse would require paying legal fees, leaving only two options for Patreon.

1 - Do nothing, since Zorlun is complying with what they requested of him already.

2 - Be monumentally petty and threaten to close down the Patreon account over something they, Zorlun, or even Tom Rothamel has any control over.
 
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Zorlun

Creating Naughtiness!
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Please... WHY??? Why insisting on fighting over this, it's beyond me.

The debate is pointless, Patreon will not change its politics and I will not change the way I work the game, the setting has been durably and too deeply changed now, there is no way back, and that's that.

(I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I know you all love the game and Myriam, but it's really getting to me to see people resuscitate this problem that nearly killed the game again and again, and to keep fighting over it, nothing will come from that debate, even if one get to come out as the best debater, what's next? Patreon will still be the same and I will still work the game the same way... Please, drop the subject.)
 

ccxvidonaferens

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Please... WHY??? Why insisting on fighting over this, it's beyond me.

The debate is pointless, Patreon will not change its politics and I will not change the way I work the game, the setting has been durably and too deeply changed now, there is no way back, and that's that.

(I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I know you all love the game and Myriam, but it's really getting to me to see people resuscitate this problem that nearly killed the game again and again, and to keep fighting over it, nothing will come from that debate, even if one get to come out as the best debater, what's next? Patreon will still be the same and I will still work the game the same way... Please, drop the subject.)
Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity. Sadly some people don't understand that it is sometimes wiser to keep their own counsel as opposed to broadcasting their thoughts and opinions for any number of nameless strangers to read and respond to, and not necessarily by keeping the discourse here as opposed to going to some other website with a view to causing trouble.
 
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WerewolfSinX

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I cannot wait for more Lucy content (Main Route for me) and than the way that last scene ended for me, Like mother like daughter. Never thought I would play any type of visual novel where that would happen good job Zorlun for making a very good female protagonist story.
 

ouch2020

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Aug 11, 2020
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It's a high probability that Patreon knows about F95 already. It's not exactly some anonymous site that requires actual effort to find.
Hell, just do a search for F95zone and look at the results you get. These forums are publicly known enough that only the most closeted shut-in retard would think Patreon doesn't know about this site.

In the event that they somehow don't, Zorlun would be forced into the position of telling Patreon that it's not his work, that it's been done by a third-party and direct them here along with the username of the individual making it - ouch2020, who they cannot force into stopping making the modified file since they don't own the project, and neither can Zorlun since the only viable recourse would require paying legal fees, leaving only two options for Patreon.

1 - Do nothing, since Zorlun is complying with what they requested of him already.

2 - Be monumentally petty and threaten to close down the Patreon account over something they, Zorlun, or even Tom Rothamel has any control over.
Addition to your reply, for TheLecher .
Prometheus and I do not use Zorlun's identity, so, even if the person reported to Patreon either file, they would only see that Prometheus made a patch with content they don't like, and that ouch2020 has made a patch with content they don't like.

Zorlun releases the source code to his game with the game (and in general, it possible to recover it even from rpa files), so, as you (Snugglepuff) indicated, there is nothing Zorlun can legally do to stop us - till now at least, I do not even remember an indication of "copyright" on his game, plus, I am releasing the patch for free (I don't have any Patreon, Subscribestar, buymeacoffe, etc. account as creator), so it cannot be claimed that I am making money out of his work.
And I am not even distributing a modified version of Zorlun game, or even the base game plus my patch, I am only diffusing the incest patch, period, all the while recognising that Zorlun is the author of the original game.
And I am not based in USA (nor is Zorlun), good luck with all of the above.

The part about closing his account even if he was distributing his own incest or othe stuff addition to the game (but I don't remember anymore if it was only the incest, or also the bestiality, that triggered Patreon), was a threat made by Patreon to Zorlun and that Zorlun referred to us.

Can Patron tomorrow morning decide in their wisdom to close down Zolrun's account without giving a reason ? Maybe yes, maybe not, I admit I have not checked recently their conditions.
If they are actually supposed to provide a reason, there you go - if Prometheus is doing bestiality, I do the incest patch, and the things was that Zorlun was not allowed to create and distribute his own incest/bestiality part of the game, even if done through other sites, well, Patreon cannot provide a good reason, because Zorlun is not creating and distributing his own incest and/or bestiality content.

Though honestly, it seems to me that we are ending up again debating for the nth time why according to some people Zorlun should just go ahead and disregard what Patreon told him (with variants from "crusade against Patreon" to "anyway, if it had to happen, would have happened already", etc.).

Forgetting that maybe nothing will happen, but if it happens, it is Zorlun that will primarily feel the (financial) heat, not us.

So, let's just stop debating about the sex of angels, respect his choice, and just enjoy the game and enjoy Myriam (yep, I mean it in the naughty way :p ;-D)
 
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