Since you cant see what he received in his PM you might miss the obvious reason. The audience here can get 'over the top' at times - especially in PMs as they feel save venting there. He has no obligations to the F95 audience whatsoever as he isnt charging any in here for anything. And any Patreon should be adult enough to make a decision about their commitment there.
F95 has a wondeful 'follow' option both on threads and people themselves. I suggest just to relax and wait for him to either get vocal again or just to accept the silence as a gesture of respect towards him. If - i say again - if there are any serious reasons for his silence putting any more pressure on him wont help at all.
Baka is the most optimistic and positive among other poster (for months!) until he finally flip out, if you check and read this thread you would know what I'm saying, he got all the right to expressed his frustration, I get the gist of your argument
1."if you are not paying, you have no right to complain"
2. "if you are actually paying, then why are you even paying? so stop complaining."
I'm not saying the argument that you posed is wrong, but do remember that works comes with responsibility, especially if it's commercialized "somewhere". If he doesn't want a black-lash, he should also keep himself away from appreciation by keeping his works for himself, but when it's went public, and you promised things to your backer and appreciator, when it's unfulfilled the voice of disappointment is only natural.
Feel free to disagree with me, but know that I mean no one any harm here, just stating the obvious.
Since you cant see what he received in his PM you might miss the obvious reason. The audience here can get 'over the top' at times - especially in PMs as they feel save venting there. He has no obligations to the F95 audience whatsoever as he isnt charging any in here for anything. And any Patreon should be adult enough to make a decision about their commitment there.
F95 has a wondeful 'follow' option both on threads and people themselves. I suggest just to relax and wait for him to either get vocal again or just to accept the silence as a gesture of respect towards him. If - i say again - if there are any serious reasons for his silence putting any more pressure on him wont help at all.
I'm always surprised when people around here have this nearly endless patience with developers but are always quick to "judge" the patrons for "being responsible for their own money".
You're right of course, everyone is responsible for their own money, but I fail to see how that makes the behaviour of so many devs better. On the one hand we have a dev, who in most cases (unless something really bad happened) is well aware that he is taking money for nothing. On the other hand we have the patrons who could have dozens of reasons why they are still patrons: they forgot, don't care, hope, something bad happened to them (yes, patrons can get ill too, not only devs ), to name a few. Maybe some are just naive or very trusting, but that sure as hell should be no excuse to take their money, on the contrary.
I really don't understand it. It's not that hard to send a sign of life every 2 weeks on patreon. Like secretcador said. You take on a resposibility once you start taking money.
But yes: he owes "us" here on f95zone nothing, but he should be commited to his patrons.
Baka is the most optimistic and positive among other poster (for months!) until he finally flip out, if you check and read this thread you would know what I'm saying, he got all the right to expressed his frustration, I get the gist of your argument
1."if you are not paying, you have no right to complain"
2. "if you are actually paying, then why are you even paying? so stop complaining."
I'm not saying the argument that you posed is wrong, but do remember that works comes with responsibility, especially if it's commercialized "somewhere". If he doesn't want a black-lash, he should also keep himself away from appreciation by keeping his works for himself, but when it's went public, and you promised things to your backer and appreciator, when it's unfulfilled the voice of disappointment is only natural.
Feel free to disagree with me, but know that I mean no one any harm here, just stating the obvious.
This is not about being wrong or right. This is about relevance to the thread. We have a section 'General discussion' here where you and others can open a thread to vent all you want. And your citation isnt correct - i say what i mean and mean what i say. So there is no reason to 'translate' into a different wording. F95 is relevant to the game discussion in this thread since an uploader posted it here. Patreons can use Patreon to vent their disbelieve or anger there. That was and is my statement.
Patreon isn't a well in which you drop a nickel and get your bucket of water in return. It's a field with many wells of unknown depths, and patrons drop their money into any hole that they like, in the hopes of adding enough volume to it so that the water rises to the top. Maybe you get sip, maybe you don't. Some are bottomless pits or already dried up. You don't get to choose.
Im asking about Amy card for Honey Select several times, no find anything, and make my own. Because h-scenes developed sooo slowly, and i can make my own scenes what i want. Its not perfect, but i think pretty lookslike, you can improove if you want (and give us your version). View attachment 692068View attachment 692069
You need Wideslider, bonemod, moreslotid and etc. Im thinking make other characters from the game (they almost standart lazy models) and make scenes what i want, no need waiting years for updates of the game. For me, this game boring, but cool just because heroine, beauty and fit, not like in other games. And if i get her model, i have 90% of the game.
GirlLife(QSP) - another of my recurrent faves, was also abandoned and then picked up by the community and toyed with, witch trainer keeps getting modded, If you can share some pics, maybe we can plug in the best of them. Maybe paperwork takes pity on us and releases his OG models, maybe he's suffering from a massive writer's block, that we can unjam with some creative suggestions - keep the dream alive, many projects have survived worse, and I'm even checking up on Ayala's story biannually
Things I'd like to investigate is a "Boys over Toys mod", were we try to create Boy focused alternatives(lots to choose from, but Matt, Chris and Hank scenes exist in the old version) to replace/compliment current toy-focused scenes- it could even be expanded with a "Gooder Boys" version were the Family has a dog ; ) - no reason for patreon prudery if it's a mod. Will download and play around with her. I'm a complete novice at HS, but I did create scenes in Illusion:Yuusha once with the drag-posing system.
We also have some rendered scenes where Amy plays in the tub, that just needs some code and some text, so something that will spice up bath encounters(we can use old pretanned scenes from version 1 and photoshop/recreate tan ones - full tan/hairdos/wardrobes/pubes/bodyshapes/piercings (2d overlay or 3d rerender?) would also be delicious , maybe we can salvage locations and approximate settings, many of PW's assets are probably available.
Edit:
addition suggestion:
Slippery Boys
During the hot tubbing, after the massage
A couple cut in images/animations of closeups/x-rays, during massage of after in the water, were Amy is 'accidentally' probed, if she's sufficiently 'experienced' - we have the stats, fingering during massage/'winking' in her sleep/"Woops stay still, don't say a word" in the water, enjoying the combination of fullness and audience.
Plug based random encounters could also be done in a similar fashion.
I'm just throwing shit, looking for something to stick, you're all very much welcome to join me in the muck
if this project is "really" dead, I wonder, what do we have in the old project sage 0.17a that could be used in this one as a abandoned-mod-farwell-edition?
Hi Baka, although I agree with your general statement I have to agree with Higurashika. In the first game yes the protagonist could be somewhat wild and was involved in multiple-penetration sex just before that game was abandoned; in the second game the protagonist is more realistic and less wild but again the game was abandoned just as she was about to be involved in multiple-penetration sex (with the boys at the beach for example). It may be that paperwork needs to consider what he really wants to include in his games at the story writing stage before the first image is rendered.
if this project is "really" dead, I wonder, what do we have in the old project sage 0.17a that could be used in this one as a abandoned-mod-farwell-edition?
Yeah we have expanded solo play and maybe caught in the bath from new version, we have stuff with chris and matt in the old version. Those old cg's could probably be padded out with more encounters, so it's a similar pace as the latest content. - The Hank story from the previous one could also be used in an expansion of that event.
Blowjob to officers could be used in the beachboys storyline or a second 'date' with chris on the beach. Closeups in the various beachscenes could be 'remixed' with a different story.
There's also some possible additions to the simon storyline.
So he has left us(if he has) with a wide variety of CG's, stats and systems, and some well defined characters we could flesh out.
I'm a decent codemonkey, so I could look through and see if there's some hidden potential in there. There's a fuckton of interrelated vars, and their relations does not appear obvious at first or third glance, but if we can scribble together a 'headcannon' similar to other char systems, we can refine and reuse most of them. E.g. write in a route that includes Stephen in the Wilson line, and build both relationships in a separate chain, that might lock-out/modify the existing routes, mainly reusing/remixing PW scenes and characters.
not sure about that, PW showed in his first game that he can do hardcore sex scenes.
to be shy now, when we get to more sex scenes doesn't make sense.
the reason why he is awol that is something only PW can answer. we can only speculate. but I dont think because of him having it hard to add sex scenes.
I think, its because its overwhelming. he is a perfectionist and showed that he can easily add hundreds of pictures for one scene alone, releases with thousands of pictures and writing for many different routes that could be considered a novel on its own for each update. right now we are in a point where the game is complex, theres so many routes that it could make any individual to lose it completely.
no matter reason, in my mind this is abandoned and I feel a get-a-fast-end-update-mod could be fun. and why not using his old game to add some scenes in.
mQlson,we have a few modders/walkthrough specialist in here that could help out, if they are interested.
so, its all possible to make a small-get-it-done team, and see if theres a way to add some content.
and if it goes bad, what the heck, its experience and maybe can help you all in future endeavors and if its goes well, well it could be a start of something good!
mQlson,we have a few modders/walkthrough specialist in here that could help out, if they are interested.
so, its all possible to make a small-get-it-done team, and see if theres a way to add some content.
and if it goes bad, what the heck, its experience and maybe can help you all in future endeavors and if its goes well, well it could be a start of something good!
Indeed, and if we could streamline the backend a bit, maybe PW will dare return to his spaghetti monster one day
The way I look at the game, is that we have a multitude of different paths, which imo is the games biggest strength, so I'd like to build on that by adding in more paths, and adding paths to previous paths until even Ice Cube throws in the towel
Maybe I should look into making it easier for better writers/renderers to plug in new paths. Some kind of character sheet would also be immensely valuable(debugging values for events etc), I could start by stealing the char screen from Violated Heroine
I'm not well-versed in python, but this can be resolved by writing something else that writes Python
I get it, I also preferred OG Witch Trainer, with several souces of input, quality will degrade. The question is would you rather not have watched Starship Trooper 2
I say one word: Creativity.
if humans would let go, we would still be in caves. its the creativity, the need to expand, to try new things, to dare go further, even if hard, even if almost impossible.
so, why the need to stop, when we could try something, and if this will ultimately be a utter shit attempt, at least we tried.
Urban X Life and Witch Trainer are two games that someone else dared go further with...
Or in R'Lyehian for the purist:
"Cahf ah nafl mglw'nafh hh' ahor syha'h ah'legeth. Ng llll or'azath syha'hnahh n'ghftephai n'gha ahornah ah'mglw'nafh."
