The draw is that is different
Its not a tipical romance story, it spices up with something that is not common (and for good reasons). Its another element, a rare one, and no, its not a preference.
Its the same with harem, it unrealistic as hell, but because of it, its something attractive to many.
I would NEVER play a game where the story is similar to my own story, there is no reason for that in my opinion, i already know that story, its like reason a book that you already know the story
I want unreal stories, i want things that dont happen in real life. Hell, in some games i dont even care about the lewd scenes if the story is really good but isnt normal (like in talotral games)
Hm, thanks for the answer. And yes I get that you wouldn't want a story about a guy that goes to work every day and nothing special happens, haha. But like, even if I'm watching a movie, yes I am on the same page as you in that obviously the circumstances are more interesting if it's not something that's currently happening, but at the same time the reason why I question these things is that for me I still would only like the characters if I could relate to them. So like if the main character is just an a-hole and just treats everyone like crap but still feels entitled to everything, yah, I have no interest in watching a movie about this person... unless something bad happens to him, lol. But I guess I get your point.
But in terms of an adult game, it has to "turn you on" to put it crudely. And for me I still feel like it needs to be something that actually, well, turns you on... So I guess my question really is why it turns you on if it's not something you actually want to do? I mean, you don't have to answer, I'm just clarifying why I ask these things. Like I've always said, I can only speak for myself and I'm not telling anyone else what they should or should not like. The only thing that frustrates me is merely that I don't like it (as in it's actually a turn off), so it limits my game choices when so many of them have it that have characters that fit what I'm looking for physically.
Which is another thing that I know is a minority opinion. I honestly do not like voluptuous women, like with the huge ass, huge breasts, etc... And the majority of h-games feature people with really exaggerated features like that. Yes, I totally understand, it's their dream body type, it's fantasy, so they can exaggerate to their heart's desires, I get it. But so that already limits my choices. I like slender/fit women and for me, that also means proportionally smaller breasts and ass looks better for that body type (again, just MY personal preference, no offense to anyone who disagrees!!). And so finding H-games with characters like that, like a good chunk of them (in this game Olivia would be that person who drew me in from the screenshots from another website, itch) they turn out to be the MC's sister or daughter, and that's why I'm just like "uuuuggggghhhh, why?????" lol. Although in this game there is a character that isn't related to the MC that I find physically attractive, Mira, so I'm going to keep playing it, rejecting the daughters everytime the game tries to force them onto the MC (it REALLY wants you to say yes, lol, everytime I say no, the character will get into some internal monologue about why it should be ok and will say yes next time, lol, then I say no again...), and hope it has romance options with Mira...
Totally agree. There's a vocal, tiny minority out there that just screams to have it inserted into things... and it becomes obvious that they don't care about story. I feel like -at that point- just look at ANYTHING and pretend it's your sister and just leave us the hell alone. It hasn't gotten that bad yet, but the Pale Carnations community is dealing with people trying to argue for the right to fuck the MC's mom, and we're like, dude... it just doesn't make any sense to the story. The MC doesn't look at her that way. The dev is active in the thread and is rejecting the idea. I just don't like people messing with artistic visions. Sometimes, there's too much "access" that shapes mainstream creations. It shows up in our communities here a lot.
Now when it is baked into the novel, like here, or -in a surprisingly good story- like in A Petal Among Thorns (the developing sequel is really good too), it's really up to the discerning reader to decide if it feels "believable" enough to push on... assuming they're not explicitly there for the incest tag.
It appears that you are completely turned off by the idea of it, and I completely understand that. Because while I am open to a good story, it does absolutely nothing for me as far as the "taboo" or whatever excuse most people use that are here for that. I think, for me, the reasoning I've touched on is why I can usually tolerate it. I generally have to "transport" myself in my fantasy while reading something like this. I can't read something with incest in it where the world hasn't been transformed or, at minimum, there aren't huge mitigating circumstances like a coma... or 20 years apart. Or witness protection... like in Bare Witness... there's a character in that named Hannah that is basically the best dirty talker in any of these VNs lol... and the MC's cousin is sweet and just always had a crush or whatever, but Hannah walks in on her giving the MC fellatio and open-mindedly (harem game, MASH all the way lol) accepts it and starts talking... my point is, I wasn't even thinking about the cousin thing until she says something in the MC's ear and triggered his "arrival" and I thought, "okay, now THAT'S hot". And then I could understand many of the incest "enjoyers" chasing that runner's high of that. There are moments where there's an interesting scenario, social mores change, or someone just says something dirty and I'm on board for the writing. Otherwise, like you, I'll pass. I uninstall if it just reads like a bad incest video on PornHub or something. No thanks.
I think most people would agree with you that they don't want every single decent game out there to be "special service" for something they don't like. I do wish more people were accepting (not meaning you in any way, moreso the "incest or I'm unsupporting your Patreon" crowd) of slightly alternate stories. My very favorite is Pale Carnations and I have absolutely ZERO interest in BDSM. I just can't look away at Edwin's plight lol. I keep checking in on Radiant hoping for signs of continuing work because I love the art and the character interplay is heartwarming. I hope you find more of what you're looking for, too!
Cheers, mate.
Yah man, thanks for the well-thought-out response, I'll take a look at A Petal Among Thorns. And yes, for me it's actively a turn-off. Like it's not simply something I don't prefer, I really dislike the idea. I actually have a very strong parental instinct, I'm not yet a father, but I have a very protective nature about me, so for me the mere concept of being sexual with someone that's like a daughter to me is pretty repulsive to be really honest. Again, no offense to anyone who disagrees with me, I can only speak for myself!
And what you mention about the cousin thing, while I don't prefer that either, I don't really find that actually "repulsive" since you generally don't grow up with a cousin (like you do with a sister) and you shouldn't have a parental/protective obligation to a cousin (like you do with a daughter). So a cousin relationship is more of a "technical" relationship, but in terms of like if society had no say in it, I don't see anything inherently repulsive about the idea. I personally am still not into that, but I don't have the strong feelings about it like I do with immediate family like mother, daughter, and sister.
The one thing I kind of don't like about this game so far besides that though, is that it really does feel like the story almost revolves around the assumption that you will choose to become romantic with your daughters. Like I've tried turning them down over and over, and the game keeps on forcing these situations onto the MC and between the choices the internal monologues always consist of the MC rationalizing to himself that it's ok to have a sexual relationship with his daughters. Like, yes, I actually understand that if the story revolves around that, it would be much more difficult for the writer to keep a cohesive story moving forward without that element. But surprisingly I found a game that seems to do this very well.
There is a game called Our Red String. There's no incest or anything in there, but the game really intends for the two main characters to get together, Ian and Lena. In fact, the game actually switches control between those two characters. And while in the beginning few chapters you really do have to try really hard to avoid them two getting together, it's possible. Now, it's not incest, so that's not the reason why I didn't want them to get together. It's because I was REALLY interested in one of the other girls, Holly. And that game is less of a Harem game, the main characters are more-or-less loyal (excluding lesbian scenes and such) once you get them together. So if I wanted to get with Holly, I had to basically avoid ANY sex scenes with Lena. But once I basically got past the first few chapters and got with Holly, the game stopped putting in those situations where it tries to coerce Ian and Lena together, and now Ian and Holly are together and Ian and Lena actually has this BEAUTIFUL platonic friendship. I'm so happy I decided to go that route, I am REALLY enjoying that aspect of it.
Anyway, I'm rambling on, but give Our Red String a try, the writing in that game is phenomenal.
