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If you mean adult VNs in general, then sadly this is true. It is also one of the reasons that MrKnobb chose to go with something different and go his own way with this.
It's just a "no-win" situation when everyone has their own wishes as far as content is concerned.
Stick to your vision and keep up the good job building up those characters. I hope the resolution will be interesting and original. Looking good so far (y)
 

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It all depends on my horniness.... ;)

yep, that's why I said I didn't knew what the game was about regarding adult content mate, I sure ain't required to read pages and pages of posts in the hope of finding answers to understand the direction the game is going after 10 versions or so. Like I said, the start of the game misled me, I don't know if that was the intention since the beggining, but at the start it looks like a harem game and them in the end of season 1 it turns into a dating game with mother and daughter, I guess my confusion is justified, even more since every girl seems to want to fuck Jensen, even his potential daughters.

By the way, this is a game, these gals will feels like what the writer wants them to feel like, and god knows what the fuck the writer wants
 

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Do you really think any of these gals feel like they need to share to get some?
Need to? No. But Cynthia and her girlfriends (maybe except Francine after she got raped) always seemed to be completely fine sharing someone like Jensen. None of them have any romantic feelings though, so I guess they are no real love interests in the long term unless something changes there.
 
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Need to? No. But Cynthia and her girlfriends (maybe except Francine after she got raped) always seemed to be completely fine sharing someone like Jensen. None of them have any romantic feelings though, so I guess they are no real love interests in the long term unless something changes there.
Cynthia is something of a special case though, as you can see she's kind of a nympho even when Jensen isn't even in the same city. Her main partner is Frankie, a socialite who is friends with her mother, but she's obviously also seeing several other girls at any opportunity. She's a rich girl having fun.
 

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I enjoyed the first season of this game so I downloaded the second and gave it a go.
Bit disappointing isn't it? To much super soldier spy shit and not enough sexy times. It's four episodes in and Jensen, who does not appear enough in his own game, only had one choice to make? I do some writing, though not of this type, so I know it can be hard but still...
We need more time with the MC, his choices, and his sexcapades and less time with Captain America, ninjas and the military industrial complex. Just saying.
 
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I enjoyed the first season of this game so I downloaded the second and gave it a go.
Bit disappointing isn't it? To much super soldier spy shit and not enough sexy times. It's four episodes in and Jensen, who does not appear enough in his own game, only had one choice to make? I do some writing, though not of this type, so I know it can be hard but still...
We need more time with the MC, his choices, and his sexcapades and less time with Captain America, ninjas and the military industrial complex. Just saying.
The story is what it is. If it isn't what you expected, well, that says at least as much about your expectations as it does about the story. But the story is going pretty much exactly as it was planned out from the beginning. Yes, it changes and has twists in from where it began. Thrillers do that. It is a huge clue (to expect that) when the overview talks about things like 'uncovering' or 'discovering' - it means the story is going to seem to change, but what is actually changing is your perspective, as you peel back the layers.

The story begins with a nightmare that instantly, right from the start, shows you soldiers in black ops gear, doing military recon (spy) shit. Along with flashes of some kind of medical procedures and screaming, before taking you to a grown man who is suddenly going through some kind of second puberty. If all that setup isn't making you expect that the story has something to do with super-soldiers and weird shit, and you somehow believed this was going to be a typical porn game about some kid going to college while humping his family, well, I don't think the problem is the story.

If you need more porn, there are plenty of other games and websites for that. If the game is not what you personally like, that too is fine. Nobody actually asked you to play it, and if you don't want to there's plenty of others who get it and are enjoying it just fine. Just be careful with that projection - the "WE need" stuff where you delude yourself that you are speaking for the masses, even when you can see other comments from people that are perfectly happy with what there is.
 

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The story is what it is. If it isn't what you expected, well, that says at least as much about your expectations as it does about the story. But the story is going pretty much exactly as it was planned out from the beginning. Yes, it changes and has twists in from where it began. Thrillers do that. It is a huge clue (to expect that) when the overview talks about things like 'uncovering' or 'discovering' - it means the story is going to seem to change, but what is actually changing is your perspective, as you peel back the layers.

The story begins with a nightmare that instantly, right from the start, shows you soldiers in black ops gear, doing military recon (spy) shit. Along with flashes of some kind of medical procedures and screaming, before taking you to a grown man who is suddenly going through some kind of second puberty. If all that setup isn't making you expect that the story has something to do with super-soldiers and weird shit, and you somehow believed this was going to be a typical porn game about some kid going to college while humping his family, well, I don't think the problem is the story.

If you need more porn, there are plenty of other games and websites for that. If the game is not what you personally like, that too is fine. Nobody actually asked you to play it, and if you don't want to there's plenty of others who get it and are enjoying it just fine. Just be careful with that projection - the "WE need" stuff where you delude yourself that you are speaking for the masses, even when you can see other comments from people that are perfectly happy with what there is.
Oooo, sensitive. Taking criticism a little personally, eh? It ain't that crucial. Laters.
 
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Oooo, sensitive. Taking criticism a little personally, eh? It ain't that crucial. Laters.
You didn't make any criticism.

All you said was that this game wasn't specifically designed for you and your wants. Considering that until you made a comment we didn't even know you existed, that isn't exactly surprising. Since it isn't something we'd ever attempted to do, our not doing it isn't a criticism of our story. It doesn't even really qualify as an observation. "Captioning the obvious (while failing to grasp it)" would be the closest descriptor.

Look, I get it. You are the most important person in your own mind. Maybe even in your own room. So somehow, to you, you think that whether or not a game delivered what you mistakenly and unrealistically suspected is not only important, but somehow important to others. You felt the need to advertise on a shared forum that "This game isn't written just for me", and because a part of you realises that's a bit sad, you added the projecting bit about "We" despite clear evidence to the contrary in the posts directly preceding your own.

I'm just trying to explain to you that, there too, you have the wrong beliefs. Other people are not moved with sympathy. "OMG, that dude on a pirate forum who pays nothing for a game has discovered it isn't all about him!" isn't going to spark a campaign of support and admiration.

Instead, people with intelligence are likely to look at your comment in the same way they do those who download something called a 'visual novel' and complain that it has too many words and pictures in it. Or download a game that points out from the start that "You play as Jensen Wenchester" and are then surprised they don't get to name the character. Or those who complain about the lack of path choices in something described as "points-based and linear".

Now maybe that was your intention. Maybe you wanted to post something that made anyone with average intelligence or above shake their head sadly. But if not, maybe thinking about it, thinking about how your expectations differ from reality, and why, will help you out in life, and certainly in a shared forum. Either way, thanks for giving the story a try. I hope the next one you imagine was commissioned just for you is more what you were expecting. Good luck, dude.
 

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You didn't make any criticism.

All you said was that this game wasn't specifically designed for you and your wants. Considering that until you made a comment we didn't even know you existed, that isn't exactly surprising. Since it isn't something we'd ever attempted to do, our not doing it isn't a criticism of our story. It doesn't even really qualify as an observation. "Captioning the obvious (while failing to grasp it)" would be the closest descriptor.

Look, I get it. You are the most important person in your own mind. Maybe even in your own room. So somehow, to you, you think that whether or not a game delivered what you mistakenly and unrealistically suspected is not only important, but somehow important to others. You felt the need to advertise on a shared forum that "This game isn't written just for me", and because a part of you realises that's a bit sad, you added the projecting bit about "We" despite clear evidence to the contrary in the posts directly preceding your own.

I'm just trying to explain to you that, there too, you have the wrong beliefs. Other people are not moved with sympathy. "OMG, that dude on a pirate forum who pays nothing for a game has discovered it isn't all about him!" isn't going to spark a campaign of support and admiration.

Instead, people with intelligence are likely to look at your comment in the same way they do those who download something called a 'visual novel' and complain that it has too many words and pictures in it. Or download a game that points out from the start that "You play as Jensen Wenchester" and are then surprised they don't get to name the character. Or those who complain about the lack of path choices in something described as "points-based and linear".

Now maybe that was your intention. Maybe you wanted to post something that made anyone with average intelligence or above shake their head sadly. But if not, maybe thinking about it, thinking about how your expectations differ from reality, and why, will help you out in life, and certainly in a shared forum. Either way, thanks for giving the story a try. I hope the next one you imagine was commissioned just for you is more what you were expecting. Good luck, dude.
I can see why game so well written even if you just assisting. I love your responses both to ridiculous comments and explanations to plot. The character development and the story progression is sublime. Well I am off to put my money where my mouth is and back game.
 

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Thank you so much. It really is a team effort, and MrKnobb and I really do deeply care for our characters (and our players) such that not giving them our best just wouldn't be right.
It shows in game and on Patreon page in posts. Even bit characters it shows thought about motivations and personalities.
 
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Just got trough Series 2 and wanted to leve some toughts about it.

First the Graphic is really nice, many of the Characters are well written, yes even with some depth to them. Like that better than just some pretty husks that are only there for the Fapping stuff.
I liked Season 1 a little bit more it was better paced and did not spead so far out as Seaso 2 does. Also there is just so much input, don't get me wrong i know it was done to give everything a bit more Substance and Depth but yeah sometimes it seems a little bit much!
Also some of the event's seem a bit off to me. "Oh you know on the Toilet, that was me!" And i wish the decisions the players made would matter more! But that's just personal preferences, you can't get it right for everyone!
But this is still worth playing and i will surley make a real review whe i have more time to do so!

Oh and it would be cool if the player could choose the Outcome of the DNA test for Nikky, so i would not feeling so bad to push her aside because there is no way i would choose her over Vicky! :cool:

So im looking forward to the next updates can't wait to see how many more Daughter's Captain Ameri... ähm Jensen has left to discover!(y)
 

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Just got trough Series 2 and wanted to leve some toughts about it.

First the Graphic is really nice, many of the Characters are well written, yes even with some depth to them. Like that better than just some pretty husks that are only there for the Fapping stuff.
I liked Season 1 a little bit more it was better paced and did not spead so far out as Seaso 2 does. Also there is just so much input, don't get me wrong i know it was done to give everything a bit more Substance and Depth but yeah sometimes it seems a little bit much!
Also some of the event's seem a bit off to me. "Oh you know on the Toilet, that was me!" And i wish the decisions the players made would matter more! But that's just personal preferences, you can't get it right for everyone!
But this is still worth playing and i will surley make a real review whe i have more time to do so!

Oh and it would be cool if the player could choose the Outcome of the DNA test for Nikky, so i would not feeling so bad to push her aside because there is no way i would choose her over Vicky! :cool:

So im looking forward to the next updates can't wait to see how many more Daughter's Captain Ameri... ähm Jensen has left to discover!(y)
Thanks for that.

You may be somewhat in the minority over the pacing of Series 1, as we actually got quite a few people who felt it was too much too fast - or at least, to jarring in going from one scene to another. However, of course some of the change of pacing has been the pace of events in the current stage of the story. I think some of the rest is more about the type of events - as we get deeper into what is happening, and more of it makes sense to us, it changes how those events feel.

You won't get to choose DNA results as it would be quite the nightmare having to write 2 paths for each girl from now on, meaning 4 versions in total to be written and rendered, but you'd only play one of them... But don't feel bad if you push Nicky aside for Vicky - all the characters understand that you have to follow your heart, and to an extent, Nicky would genuinely be just as happy to have her mother happy, and such a cool step-father in her life. She's young, just starting out on her own path, with plenty of time to find love and happiness.

And if the reverse were true, Vicky would have had no complaints at seeing her daughter set up with a charming, caring, guy. And if the DNA tests come back negative, still wouldn't. Vicky has done just fine without a man in her life for almost 2 decades, so long as her daughter was healthy and happy.
 

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Thanks for that.

You may be somewhat in the minority over the pacing of Series 1, as we actually got quite a few people who felt it was too much too fast - or at least, to jarring in going from one scene to another. However, of course some of the change of pacing has been the pace of events in the current stage of the story. I think some of the rest is more about the type of events - as we get deeper into what is happening, and more of it makes sense to us, it changes how those events feel.

You won't get to choose DNA results as it would be quite the nightmare having to write 2 paths for each girl from now on, meaning 4 versions in total to be written and rendered, but you'd only play one of them... But don't feel bad if you push Nicky aside for Vicky - all the characters understand that you have to follow your heart, and to an extent, Nicky would genuinely be just as happy to have her mother happy, and such a cool step-father in her life. She's young, just starting out on her own path, with plenty of time to find love and happiness.

And if the reverse were true, Vicky would have had no complaints at seeing her daughter set up with a charming, caring, guy. And if the DNA tests come back negative, still wouldn't. Vicky has done just fine without a man in her life for almost 2 decades, so long as her daughter was healthy and happy.
I liked pacing in both. In first one the MC has gone through changes physically that led to his social life going crazy, at same time the long term personal plot against him was coming to a head, while the more sinister criminal plot was also getting implemented. The MC was in reactionary mode responding constantly to events out of his control and hectic pace was perfect and reflected just how chaotic his comfortable stable existence had become. Then suddenly he was laid up in bed and no longer in reactionary mode. Though even though it feels pacing slowed down everything still happening around him at great rate of knots. I really dont think pacing has changed just clever writing had us jumping around a lot in first with shorter scenes while in second we get more detailed longer scenes which really changed our perspective from point of MC (just a feeling though could be wrong).
 

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I liked pacing in both. In first one the MC has gone through changes physically that led to his social life going crazy, at same time the long term personal plot against him was coming to a head, while the more sinister criminal plot was also getting implemented. The MC was in reactionary mode responding constantly to events out of his control and hectic pace was perfect and reflected just how chaotic his comfortable stable existence had become. Then suddenly he was laid up in bed and no longer in reactionary mode. Though even though it feels pacing slowed down everything still happening around him at great rate of knots. I really dont think pacing has changed just clever writing had us jumping around a lot in first with shorter scenes while in second we get more detailed longer scenes which really changed our perspective from point of MC (just a feeling though could be wrong).
You get us. I love you :D

You're pretty much spot on there. Jensen in Series 1 had no opportunity to plan as he had no idea what to plan for (or against) and found himself reacting to situations at the last minute, usually with even less idea than the player of what was going on.

In Series 2 he has at least identified the first enemy, has gained some space and breathing room (due to the fact he's believed to be dead), and finally has some solid leads to follow to start working out what is going on. It's a thriller, and as usual for such, you don't expect to really know what is going on until the latter half of the tale (and for us the halfway point will be the end of Series 2). But we are getting some solid glimpses of at least some of the forces in play...
 
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