PaxHadrian17

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I know AI is obviously controversial, but I do wonder if in a few years there will be a suitable and efficient workflow for VN devs to use it to "upscale" normal renders to make them look more realistic. Getting facial expressions to look right is the hardest, but there are workflows out there to do it, its just incredibly resource intensive and complicated.

I think AI has a place supporting devs in the background.

By this - I mean:

Utilizing AI to help code so, for example:

* Combining animations and different audio files, like music and SFX, so they are properly synched

* Updating the script file by taking the dev's written story and imagery and adding them into the script file and then automatically preparing a test build at the end of scene so the dev can do a quality control review

* Having AI search for assets for upcoming scenes and providing the dev with a file containing links and imagery so the dev can choose what works best to support his/her vision

* Having an AI 'smart' enough to review a que of completed renders and identify which fall outside designated parameters (have errors) so the dev can reduce time spent on post work and focus on what did not actually turn out right.

I think devs should maintain primacy in writing, vision of creation, actual imagery and animation creation, and final review.

Part of great AVN story telling is, for at least some devs, the way they enhance the story through facial expressions.

A dev that turns this over to an AI is giving up telling Their story in favor of what that particular AI has been taught to do via some form of machine learning. Output is, at best, a blended estimate of what AI has been taught to provide.

The AI rev would not have a 'human' soul - or spark of creativity and cannot, IMO, give us better than a good or better dev.

Going much further gets into existential discussions about what constitutes creativity etc., and I have not had enough coffee for that yet (if ever :)).

Now, I am off to enjoy another dev's creation and look for another good/great story!

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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I know AI is obviously controversial, but I do wonder if in a few years there will be a suitable and efficient workflow for VN devs to use it to "upscale" normal renders to make them look more realistic. Getting facial expressions to look right is the hardest, but there are workflows out there to do it, its just incredibly resource intensive and complicated.

One of the problems with AI is that it can lose the context of what the image is supposed to convey. In the first pair, the ice cream cone changes from being offered by MC to being held by Daphne, which would not match up with the dialog and the flirty teasing going on. In the last pair Skylar's shirt mesh on her shoulder disappears, while in another AI upscale it might reappear. There would be a ton of extra work to check little things like that by the dev which would further delay the project.
 
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akimbofresh

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Alright we have guys who say they like the game, but one doesn't like animations and the other doesn't like time trave. I predict next we'll hear from a guy who's vehemently anti-redhead and hates big boobs, but still declares Scarlett best girl.
Why are you misrepresenting what I wrote? I said the game is fantastic despite my very personal, very subjective distaste for time travel plots. How is that not a HUGE compliment to the developer? At the end of the day these games are a more interactive form of pornography for me and too overly involved plots can take away more from the experience than they add. If you play these games for the story that's cool.
 

akimbofresh

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Hahaha this bit won't get you many "friends" in this thread since most of us that follow this thread and game enjoy time travel plots :LOL: but I understand why some people don't enjoy them, it is an acquired taste of that sub genre of sci-fi that I learned to love since a young age.
Nothing wrong with that at all and thank you for the polite response!
 
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akimbofresh

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IDK how you can call a time travel plot unnecessary when thats literally the plot of the game. its not like the main focus is actually the MC passing school, the main story of the game is the time travel plot. Its fine that you dont like time travel plots, but its integral to the story way more than every other side story
My point is the characters are so well crafted that I annoys immensely me when the focus shifts away from them too long. Does that make more sense? I love the smaller interactions and scenarios between the main cast of characters and how the relationships evolved with the MC. Those would have worked just as well in a fantasy, sci-fi or contemporary scenario or wherever you would plop down these characters.

And would you play this game if it had zero sexual content? Is the plot good enough to stand on it's own? For me the answer is no, nor have I ever played a western adult game where that's the case. Maybe some of the Japanese Eroge classics would qualify. So it's frustrating to me if a talented developer spends a lot of time and energy on parts of the game that in my super humble opinion don't need it.

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I'm not trying to shit on the game. Just voicing what I would like to see more and less of in future updates. Does the developer need to listen to anything I say? Absofuckinglutely not, it's their vision.
 
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Why are you misrepresenting what I wrote? I said the game is fantastic despite my very personal, very subjective distaste for time travel plots. How is that not a HUGE compliment to the developer? At the end of the day these games are a more interactive form of pornography for me and too overly involved plots can take away more from the experience than they add. If you play these games for the story that's cool.
Fun fact : You can reply to a...
Nothing wrong with that at all and thank you for the polite response!
...bunch of posts at once...
My point is the characters are so well crafted that I annoys immensely me when the focus shifts away from them too long. Does that make more sense? I love the smaller interactions and scenarios between the main cast of characters and how the relationships evolved with the MC. Those would have worked just as well in a fantasy, sci-fi or contemporary scenario or wherever you would plop down these characters.

And would you play this game if it had zero sexual content? Is the plot good enough to stand on it's own? For me the answer is no, nor have I ever played a western adult game where that's the case. Maybe some of the Japanese Eroge classics would qualify. So it's frustrating to me if a talented developer spends a lot of time and energy on parts of the game that in my super humble opinion don't need it.

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I'm not trying to shit on the game. Just voicing what I would like to see more and less of in future updates. Does the developer need to listen to anything I say? Absofuckinglutely not, it's their vision.
...by doing this.

That way we only get 1 thread update notification instead of 3 back-to-back posts from 1 person.
 

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And would you play this game if it had zero sexual content? Is the plot good enough to stand on it's own? For me the answer is no, nor have I ever played a western adult game where that's the case. Maybe some of the Japanese Eroge classics would qualify. So it's frustrating to me if a talented developer spends a lot of time and energy on parts of the game that in my super humble opinion don't need it.
I would, and there are a quite a few other VNs I would read without the sexual stuff as well.

I guess we just look for different things in VNs. When I read a VN I mostly go in for the story, romance, and the characters. I saw the time travel stuff as a way for MORE of those things to be introduced, the story is more interesting, more romance with Jenna and stuff, and more characters to get to know. If the time travel plot was the MC going to a desolate land away from everyone then maybe I would agree with your gripe, but as it stands, when the focus shifts away from the well written characters in the present day, it gets put mostly on the well written characters from the past.
 

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My point is the characters are so well crafted that I annoys immensely me when the focus shifts away from them too long. Does that make more sense? I love the smaller interactions and scenarios between the main cast of characters and how the relationships evolved with the MC. Those would have worked just as well in a fantasy, sci-fi or contemporary scenario or wherever you would plop down these characters.

And would you play this game if it had zero sexual content? Is the plot good enough to stand on it's own? For me the answer is no, nor have I ever played a western adult game where that's the case. Maybe some of the Japanese Eroge classics would qualify. So it's frustrating to me if a talented developer spends a lot of time and energy on parts of the game that in my super humble opinion don't need it.

I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I'm not trying to shit on the game. Just voicing what I would like to see more and less of in future updates. Does the developer need to listen to anything I say? Absofuckinglutely not, it's their vision.
Fortunately, you can skip past all those unnecessary time-travel scenes that intrude between the sex scenes.
 

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I know AI is obviously controversial, but I do wonder if in a few years there will be a suitable and efficient workflow for VN devs to use it to "upscale" normal renders to make them look more realistic. Getting facial expressions to look right is the hardest, but there are workflows out there to do it, its just incredibly resource intensive and complicated.

Why is the lingerie store selling detergent and whatever else the stuff in the back is supposed to be? This is yet another issue with AI "upscaling", it changes shit you don't want it to change, and takes control away from the human. In the first image, thought has gone into every little detail of the image by someone (though the store was likely made by a different person than the model), and thus makes sense. The background, the bikini pattern, the colour of the sunglasses, even her boob size is different. It's hard to have consistency between renders.

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Also what the hell is going on here? Not only did it replace a window with a painting, the wall makes no sense.

I filter out AI and real porn for the same reason, lack of consistency. I want VNs for the human made art made specifically for that story, whether that's 2DCG or 3DCG, they're both human expression of creativity.

If any game "upscales" their renders with AI slop I'm dropping it.
 

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Thread Updated: 2024-08-17
Release Date: 2024-08-17
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The game is amazing, loved the story It was such a amazing experience ❤.
 
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I know AI is obviously controversial, but I do wonder if in a few years there will be a suitable and efficient workflow for VN devs to use it to "upscale" normal renders to make them look more realistic. Getting facial expressions to look right is the hardest, but there are workflows out there to do it, its just incredibly resource intensive and complicated.

the AI ones look like shit.
 

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Everyone is free to have their own opinion, and I’m not judging. However, I think it would be better if you put more effort into explaining and defending your point of view, rather than just posting a short, blunt comment that ends with "good luck dev." To me, that feels a bit hypocritical and comes off with a passive-aggressive tone, which isn’t very pleasant.
Was genuine well wishing though. Mixed with a positive and a negative feedback (HS models look good and the roles of the sexes are awful).

A good day to everyone.
 

MWPA78

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I know AI is obviously controversial, but I do wonder if in a few years there will be a suitable and efficient workflow for VN devs to use it to "upscale" normal renders to make them look more realistic. Getting facial expressions to look right is the hardest, but there are workflows out there to do it, its just incredibly resource intensive and complicated.

I think it would be awesome IF the AI would very precisely follow the produced render. Or if one had very strong control over it, like give command to make the same picture again, but "change breast size to this" or "make facial expression like that." Plus perfect consistency and no censorship at all.

Would love to make my own renpy game with lifelike images like that. Because it does look awesome - better than real life.
 
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