VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.7.0 Public] [Jestur]

[Jonmanchu]

There are many games on this site which have improved over time.For a newbie who comes to AVN space he will try to play as deep into the game as possible to patronise

I think I am both - a supporter - in that I support a number of Dev's with $, like Jestur.

I am also a pirate in that I take digital downloads for various AVNs without offering any $ in exchange for the work done by the dev to create that content.

If I find a dev who I enjoy (I've found some on Patreon/Steam and looked them up/downloaded them here), I will often end up throwing some $ their way (but not always - I find far more that I enjoy than my budget will allow me to support with $)

I have some devs who I have supported with $ for years and other devs who get about a year of support - roughly the cost of a AAA game - then I stop supporting that dev and shift the $ to a different dev I have yet to say thanks to with some $ support.

There is also what I would call positive involvement in the community surrounding an AVN.

It's not $ support but offering feedback and encouragement to devs, especially those who seem new to creating an AVN has a place.

This also includes wishlisting on Steam to help the dev with Steam metrics even if the AVN is not one I would buy on Steam, at least at full price.

I'm smart enough to understand that F95 is not Burger King (I don't get to have it my way to borrow from the old ad campaign) and I have supported some devs with $ only for them to do a significant course correction in their AVN and stopped that support due to that course correction.

I'm not going to trash a dev for making the change - their story and their creativity. I just stop my support and drop a link into Notepad to follow up in a year or two and see what happened.

Sometimes, I've been met with a very pleasant surprise and the AVN's development and broader story telling 'smoothed out' the issue I had, and I've gotten to enjoy an unexpected major content boost for an AVN I didn't know I was missing.

Other times - my instinct was spot on and IMO, I made the right call putting an AVN on hold, at least in terms of $ support.

I will say that If a small % of the broader F95 community gave the price of a cup of coffee 1x/month to a dev they enjoyed, we would have Far fewer AVNs getting the abandoned tag.

I remember one dev I support with $ making the comment that his Patreon downloads were about 1% of the downloads of his AVN on F95.

I do believe that many devs (but not all) would end up creating bigger, better updates more frequently if the number of people who repeatedly downloaded their AVNs went from 1% who offered some $ support to 2-3%, for example.

Anyway - enough of my rambling... I have AVNs to play!

Cheers!!

Whatever u said is true but the thing with supporting a Dev really comes down to the point of disposable income.Many people pirate coz they can't afford.Think about it 10 dollars for 10 games means 100 dollars every month which might be 20 percent of their real incomes in many low and middle income countries.So many people cant support multiple games at once so they pirate.The solution would be to support games that have least patrons which a person feels has potential to become a good game if there is a financial support.I personally stopped supporting 2 of the biggest titles on this platform for the same reason.I instead spread that money to some new and lesser supported games.

 

[Maccabbee]

There are many games on this site which have improved over time.For a newbie who comes to AVN space he will try to play as deep into the game as possible to patronise

Whatever u said is true but the thing with supporting a Dev really comes down to the point of disposable income.Many people pirate coz they can't afford.Think about it 10 dollars for 10 games means 100 dollars every month which might be 20 percent of their real incomes in many low and middle income countries.So many people cant support multiple games at once so they pirate.The solution would be to support games that have least patrons which a person feels has potential to become a good game if there is a financial support.I personally stopped supporting 2 of the biggest titles on this platform for the same reason.I instead spread that money to some new and lesser supported games.

LOL!!!! 'I'm supporting Maserati because I love their cars, but I can't afford them, so I steal them, but I'm still a supporter, because I bought a Smart car.'

Put this shit in any other situation, and it becomes obvious how thin the rationalization is. I AM A PIRATE HERE TOO. I am not criticizing anyone. The fact that some of y'all get butthurt hearing the truth shows that you should take a hard look at your rationalizations.

Did I ever say you shouldn't download games here? What am I, a priest getting up on a soapbox in front of a bordello saying "Lust is a sin, don't fuck whores!" NO! I am not, nor have I ever said this. I just believe that we should be honest with ourselves and others.

This game is fucking great, funny and sexy as hell, with some great secrets still to be revealed. I'd say it's one of the more intelligently written AVNs here, and support it all you can. Be intelligent, though.

 

[Walter Victor]

LOL!!!! 'I'm supporting Maserati because I love their cars, but I can't afford them, so I steal them, but I'm still a supporter, because I bought a Smart car.'

Put this shit in any other situation, and it becomes obvious how thin the rationalization is. I AM A PIRATE HERE TOO. I am not criticizing anyone. The fact that some of y'all get butthurt hearing the truth shows that you should take a hard look at your rationalizations.

Did I ever say you shouldn't download games here? What am I, a priest getting up on a soapbox in front of a bordello saying "Lust is a sin, don't fuck whores!" NO! I am not, nor have I ever said this. I just believe that we should be honest with ourselves and others.

This game is fucking great, funny and sexy as hell, with some great secrets still to be revealed. I'd say it's one of the more intelligently written AVNs here, and support it all you can. Be intelligent, though.

One thing that seems to have been overlooked in these discussions is that there is more than one way to 'support' a developer, monetarily on a pay site or textually on a site like F95. There are developers for whom I do both, but many others where I only try to demonstrate my support by praising the developers' work and/or defending them against misinformation and trolls.

I guess you could say that sometimes I pay and often I steal, but I always 'support' on the threads I frequent.

 

[Maccabbee]

One thing that seems to have been overlooked in these discussions is that there is more than one way to 'support' a developer, monetarily on a pay site or textually on a site like F95. There are developers for whom I do both, but many others where I only try to demonstrate my support by praising the developers' work and/or defending them against misinformation and trolls.

I guess you could say that sometimes I pay and often I steal, but I always 'support' on the threads I frequent.

With very few exceptions, you're not "supporting" devs textually on this site. Most view this place as a (maybe necessary) evil, unless they're new devs that are users here already. The big devs even more so. You're geeking out, and that's fine, I do it too. That's different from being in their discord and interacting there, giving emotional support with positive or constructive feedback.

 

[Walter Victor]

With very few exceptions, you're not "supporting" devs textually on this site. Most view this place as a (maybe necessary) evil, unless they're new devs that are users here already. The big devs even more so. You're geeking out, and that's fine, I do it too. That's different from being in their discord and interacting there, giving emotional support with positive or constructive feedback.

Why on earth would I care if the developers I like see what I do or not? I am supporting their efforts whether they know it or not.

For that matter, absolutely no one here or on Patreon or on Subscribestar knows who I really am, and I use different IDs for each.

As for Discord, I used to frequent there a long time ago, but gave it up as too time consuming with extraneous garbage for the information I gleaned. There are probably 10 times more trolls on Discord than on F95, and that's saying something.

 

[springautumncicada326]

Great Game, I would recommend to support them on any socials they have or supporting them on patron

 

[PaxHadrian17]

There are many games on this site which have improved over time.For a newbie who comes to AVN space he will try to play as deep into the game as possible to patronise

Whatever u said is true but the thing with supporting a Dev really comes down to the point of disposable income.Many people pirate coz they can't afford.Think about it 10 dollars for 10 games means 100 dollars every month which might be 20 percent of their real incomes in many low and middle income countries.So many people cant support multiple games at once so they pirate.The solution would be to support games that have least patrons which a person feels has potential to become a good game if there is a financial support.I personally stopped supporting 2 of the biggest titles on this platform for the same reason.I instead spread that money to some new and lesser supported games.

I absolutely agree with your point about disposable income!

I'm not suggesting the choice should be supporting a dev's AVN with $ by not eating for a day or more.

But...

There are certainly Many people who 'could' offer $ support and don't.

My point in my prior post:

I will say that If a small % of the broader F95 community gave the price of a cup of coffee 1x/month to a dev they enjoyed, we would have Far fewer AVNs getting the abandoned tag.

I remember one dev I support with $ making the comment that his Patreon downloads were about 1% of the downloads of his AVN on F95.

I do believe that many devs (but not all) would end up creating bigger, better updates more frequently if the number of people who repeatedly downloaded their AVNs went from 1% who offered some $ support to 2-3%, for example.

Surely - given the vast number of users on F95 all over the world - increasing support for devs by an increase of 1 - 2% (from the example I gave in my original post) leaves out those who cannot afford to support with $ at this time.

No one here is saying 'which' AVNs should get that support.

Just that If a small % increase of F95 users actually supported a dev with $ at the lowest tier or limited their support to, for ex. $20 USD/year - equivalent, think how many devs could afford a hardware upgrade leading to better renders/faster updates and more of the content those supporters like versus the level of abandoned AVNs we currently see.

A brief example with the above in mind:

Two hundred new $ supporters/year at $20/supporter for that year (that is < $2 USD/month/supporter) = $4,000 in new support - which would help many devs improve their hardware (including some that I support that began the creation of their AVNs on laptops - which are not designed for the kind of workload AVN creation is increasingly putting on hardware).

The above does remind me that it is time to revisit a newer find and 'walk the talk' bumping up my support for a dev who has been doing a great job - and I won't go further OT here.

For those who read this:

If there is a dev out there who you enjoy and you have not had the chance to send them a little $ in recognition for their good work (and you can afford it) - why not take a few minutes to do this now, and add in a DM on Patreon/SS on Why you like their AVN.

A little encouragement like that could mean a great deal to a dev, especially someone newer to the start of their creation than a well-established creator.

OC - If you enjoy Ripples enough to download it multiple times from F95, I've no doubt that Jestur would appreciate a small $ donation as thanks for the great story we've already enjoyed and the next update which is well on its way to landing here (85% complete as of April 4, 2025).

Cheers!!

 

[turgsh01]

I will say that If a small % of the broader F95 community gave the price of a cup of coffee 1x/month to a dev they enjoyed, we would have Far fewer AVNs getting the abandoned tag.

Sorry to jump in the middle of this discussion without knowing all the details and whatnot, but I had to respond to this part.

I highly doubt more donations would result in "far fewer" abandonment. Anyone who works for money always want more and those who work with passion will continue working regardless of income. The ones that should be focused on for support is as you say the ones getting the least amount of money, but I think every single dev out there receiving money for their work should be watched closely for signs of dishonesty and/or greed.

I've seen several devs making over $5000/month "milk" their supporters dry for years and then abandon their game without even so much as an apology to any of them. I've also seen multiple nice devs who have chosen not to accept money at all for their work despite the fanbase asking to support them. I've also seen several devs who are willing to pause donations whenever something out of their control happens hindering their work. But in all cases, games seem to just get abandoned no matter how much a dev makes. Sometimes, it's legal reasons, other times, it's personal, and of course sometimes, it's just blatant greed. No one should ever expect to make really good money while making a porn game either.

Increasing donations won't change much at all in my opinion.

 

[mike12013]

This has to be the most argumentative thread on here there's always something going on

 

[Maccabbee]

This has to be the most argumentative thread on here there's always something going on

The further from the last update, the worse it gets. The stress of waiting makes it easier for me to be triggered by the whiners.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

This has to be the most argumentative thread on here there's always something going on

*looks*

I can see how you might think that because judging by your account date you weren't here for "The Great BaDIK Waifu Wars of 2019".

Trust me, this shit's mild.

 

[Walter Victor]

Increasing donations won't change much at all in my opinion.

There is a cost to creating AVNs. Perhaps a developer starts out with minimal resources, gets a few releases in and realizes that their equipment is not up to the job. Unless that developer gets enough funding to increase those resources cancellation could well ensue. Whereas, an increase in subscriber revenue might allow continuation.

Developers come in all makes and sizes, with varying means at hand. Some do this for free and are glad to do it. But even some of those might suddenly realize that they've bitten off more than they can chew, and their real life [it's a bitch] situations prevent continuation.

 

[DougsLeftNut]

This has to be the most argumentative thread on here there's always something going on

Oh, my child. I hope you always stay as ignorant of Summertime Saga as you are at this moment.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Oh, my child. I hope you always stay as ignorant of Summertime Saga as you are at this moment.

Ugh, Jesus, I had forgotten about that one...

 

[1tomadeira]

Why on earth would I care if the developers I like see what I do or not? I am supporting their efforts whether they know it or not.

For that matter, absolutely no one here or on Patreon or on Subscribestar knows who I really am, and I use different IDs for each.

As for Discord, I used to frequent there a long time ago, but gave it up as too time consuming with extraneous garbage for the information I gleaned. There are probably 10 times more trolls on Discord than on F95, and that's saying something.

Which is an achievement by itself, just shows how thirsty people are for the game and how respected Jestur is as a dev.

Usually what happens is the opposite, people who only pirate complain and only say mean things for the dev, with the actual fans alienating themselves from the f95zone and going into the dev's socials. House of Shinobi and Desire of Fare are two big example of this.

 

[turgsh01]

There is a cost to creating AVNs. Perhaps a developer starts out with minimal resources, gets a few releases in and realizes that their equipment is not up to the job. Unless that developer gets enough funding to increase those resources cancellation could well ensue. Whereas, an increase in subscriber revenue might allow continuation.

Developers come in all makes and sizes, with varying means at hand. Some do this for free and are glad to do it. But even some of those might suddenly realize that they've bitten off more than they can chew, and their real life [it's a bitch] situations prevent continuation.

Sounds like the dev's problem, not ours. If a dev bit off more than they could handle, then they need to learn from it, not rely on an easy way out like asking for more money or whatever (which is almost always just a temporary solution). If a dev puts their game on hold or abandons it completely, then that result was likely going to happen anyway. It doesn't require nearly as much money to make an AVN as you might think. I know asset prices can add up, but who says you have to buy them all? It doesnt take a genius to simply take your time and create some assets from scratch or google some pics and edit them to fit the game or use generative AI and fix the images as needed to speed things along or pirate some and edit from there, etc. There are always options available. If you're passionate about your work, you'll find a way to make it happen, no matter what.

When you say devs come in all makes and sizes, I agree. Both good and bad devs can make great games, but that doesn't mean we should bow down to the bad devs and beg them to keep going. Are you really that desperate to see the finish line for a game, because if so, maybe you should reflect on that?

 

[Walter Victor]

Sounds like the dev's problem, not ours. If a dev bit off more than they could handle, then they need to learn from it, not rely on an easy way out like asking for more money or whatever (which is almost always just a temporary solution). If a dev puts their game on hold or abandons it completely, then that result was likely going to happen anyway. It doesn't require nearly as much money to make an AVN as you might think. I know asset prices can add up, but who says you have to buy them all? It doesnt take a genius to simply take your time and create some assets from scratch or google some pics and edit them to fit the game or use generative AI and fix the images as needed to speed things along or pirate some and edit from there, etc. There are always options available. If you're passionate about your work, you'll find a way to make it happen, no matter what.

I assume that you have never tried to develop an AVN. Please inform me how much money you need to have to develop a good AVN, giving specifics of where that money should be spent.

I haven't developed any either, but I have been around them for long enough to know that it takes a lot of time, and resources to create one that PEOPLE WILL EVEN DOWNLOAD.

Rookie developers don't realize the amount of time they will have to spend on their projects. Then again, developers who initially have time suddenly find out that this is no longer true. Look at all the developers who started up during COVID with all the time in the world, and then when the scare ended, that time just disappeared. Other events can happen to rob developers of their time: weddings, births, deaths, health, relocations, etc.

And on the resource side, there must be scores of games whose threads I've visited where reviewers downgraded games because of the quality of the rendering. Developers need computers with sufficient power to render properly and preferably provide decent animations. Then there are the characters and backgrounds. Each and every one of them requires a cash outlay. Players tend to bitch when they only see a few different backgrounds in a release; the same with characters - diversity is a selling point. Now if a developer has a rig powerful enough to render high-quality images, what is the power cost, and how is cooling handled. I have only touched on a couple of the financial problems faced by a developer who wants to produced a quality product.

Google some pics!? Are you serious!? You don't just sit down on your laptop and use photoshop to produce a game that anyone here on F95 will play.

When you say devs come in all makes and sizes, I agree. Both good and bad devs can make great games, but that doesn't mean we should bow down to the bad devs and beg them to keep going. Are you really that desperate to see the finish line for a game, because if so, maybe you should reflect on that?

I would argue that if a developer makes a good game, then that person is a good developer. I don't see how a bad developer could do that. Now of your talking about a developer's character, then I would agree. Assholes can (and do) make good games. It tends to hurt their financial support though. Even supporters on pay sites tend to stop their support if provoked enough.

I have no idea why you are throwing out these scarecrow arguments about bowing down to bad developers. I don't think I have ever advocated such an idea here or anywhere else. Nor do I know what the hell you are talking about when you write of desperation and finish lines. But you keep on knocking down those scarecrows if that make you feel better.

Frankly, I don't pay any one developer enough to keep them going by myself. Some, like Jestur, would not miss it one bit if I withdrew my support. But if there are enough people like me, the developers who are NOT able to make a living off of this profession, might just be able to continue with a game that I enjoy.

Let me ask you this, if Jestur were to stop making this game, would you be pleased? upset? indifferent? If you would be upset, perhaps you should reflect on that. I know I would be upset and have no need for reflection or introspection because of it.

 

[Jonmanchu]

I absolutely agree with your point about disposable income!

I'm not suggesting the choice should be supporting a dev's AVN with $ by not eating for a day or more.

But...

There are certainly Many people who 'could' offer $ support and don't.

My point in my prior post:

I will say that If a small % of the broader F95 community gave the price of a cup of coffee 1x/month to a dev they enjoyed, we would have Far fewer AVNs getting the abandoned tag.

I remember one dev I support with $ making the comment that his Patreon downloads were about 1% of the downloads of his AVN on F95.

I do believe that many devs (but not all) would end up creating bigger, better updates more frequently if the number of people who repeatedly downloaded their AVNs went from 1% who offered some $ support to 2-3%, for example.

Surely - given the vast number of users on F95 all over the world - increasing support for devs by an increase of 1 - 2% (from the example I gave in my original post) leaves out those who cannot afford to support with $ at this time.

No one here is saying 'which' AVNs should get that support.

Just that If a small % increase of F95 users actually supported a dev with $ at the lowest tier or limited their support to, for ex. $20 USD/year - equivalent, think how many devs could afford a hardware upgrade leading to better renders/faster updates and more of the content those supporters like versus the level of abandoned AVNs we currently see.

A brief example with the above in mind:

Two hundred new $ supporters/year at $20/supporter for that year (that is < $2 USD/month/supporter) = $4,000 in new support - which would help many devs improve their hardware (including some that I support that began the creation of their AVNs on laptops - which are not designed for the kind of workload AVN creation is increasingly putting on hardware).

The above does remind me that it is time to revisit a newer find and 'walk the talk' bumping up my support for a dev who has been doing a great job - and I won't go further OT here.

For those who read this:

If there is a dev out there who you enjoy and you have not had the chance to send them a little $ in recognition for their good work (and you can afford it) - why not take a few minutes to do this now, and add in a DM on Patreon/SS on Why you like their AVN.

A little encouragement like that could mean a great deal to a dev, especially someone newer to the start of their creation than a well-established creator.

OC - If you enjoy Ripples enough to download it multiple times from F95, I've no doubt that Jestur would appreciate a small $ donation as thanks for the great story we've already enjoyed and the next update which is well on its way to landing here (85% complete as of April 4, 2025).

Cheers!!

Excellent points u have made,I am on the same side as yours.Hope people understand this basic sense pf economics

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Sorry to jump in the middle of this discussion without knowing all the details and whatnot, but I had to respond to this part.

I highly doubt more donations would result in "far fewer" abandonment. Anyone who works for money always want more and those who work with passion will continue working regardless of income. The ones that should be focused on for support is as you say the ones getting the least amount of money, but I think every single dev out there receiving money for their work should be watched closely for signs of dishonesty and/or greed.

I've seen several devs making over $5000/month "milk" their supporters dry for years and then abandon their game without even so much as an apology to any of them. I've also seen multiple nice devs who have chosen not to accept money at all for their work despite the fanbase asking to support them. I've also seen several devs who are willing to pause donations whenever something out of their control happens hindering their work. But in all cases, games seem to just get abandoned no matter how much a dev makes. Sometimes, it's legal reasons, other times, it's personal, and of course sometimes, it's just blatant greed. No one should ever expect to make really good money while making a porn game either.

Increasing donations won't change much at all in my opinion.

I understand you and I disagree - that's fine.

You chose to comment on one snippet from 1 post, ignoring the rest of both posts.

But you ignore some of the points I make (or did not claim - like no devs abuse their $ support):


* If there is a dev out there who you enjoy and you have not had the chance to send them a little $ in recognition for their good work (and you can afford it) - why not take a few minutes to do this now, and add in a DM on Patreon/SS on Why you like their AVN.

A little encouragement like that could mean a great deal to a dev, especially someone newer to the start of their creation than a well-established creator.

$1/$2 or $3/month for example, might not seem like much but that + sending the DM to the dev telling them Why you are supporting them... what you like about their creation and encouraging them Is a big deal.

Someone new getting unexpected encouragement might just help them keep up their creative energy and stay focused on continuing their AVN/powering through the inevitable tough spots any creator encounters as part of turning their vision into something tangible.

We cannot know what is going on in the life of a dev but some affirmation on their creativity Can make a difference, for that AVN creation and more.

Kindness/Affirmation, especially some unexpected kindness/affirmation from strangers, does matter.


* There will always be human beings who take advantage of others - so any $ support provided to any service - be it AVN development (entertainment service) to car maintenance for example - should be reviewed periodically.

Are you getting what you hoped for from your $ provided to/for a particular service?

If you are not, make adjustments as you believe you need to - that is Adulting 101.


I won't quibble with you about the numeric value of 'far fewer' AVNs getting abandoned as that number is something that is different for both of us and no one has a magic spreadsheet capturing every AVN abandoned in the last two years, for example, including the honest % weight for the various reasons that each dev abandoned their AVN, all to provide a numeric value.


My point is simple:

We cannot control the life events that will help a dev to decide to continue or to stop creating their AVN - life happens...

What we can do is offer more support, both $ and encouragement, to devs who are creating something we like.

I Know this can and does make a difference.

We each get to speak to and stand for what we believe:

I believe in the power of encouragement and think that adding in some $ support (and literal encouragement - the DM I mentioned) Will help a significant number of devs to continue creating and sharing their creation with us.


If you need to reply and disagree about the numeric value of 'a significant number' or 'far fewer' - then you are now playing a semantics game and intentionally being obtuse about the point I am making.

Cheers!!

 

[turgsh01]

Let me ask you this, if Jestur were to stop making this game, would you be pleased? upset? indifferent? If you would be upset, perhaps you should reflect on that. I know I would be upset and have no need for reflection or introspection because of it.

Couldn't care less because I haven't sunk any money into this dev yet. If the game gets completed, then I'll consider paying what I feel is a fair price for the whole game.

Also, the reason I mentioned ppl begging the devs to release more content while supporting them is because I see it all the time with devs who milk their supporters.

Oh, and I know of at least 1 amazing game with bad renders (pretty sure they were made from scratch) from an awesome dev who never accepted money and have a really wholesome and caring fanbase. I very rarely replay games, but I've replayed this dev's game several times already. It did unfortunately get abandoned I think for personal reasons. But my point is that you can definitely make a successful game on low budget, all it takes are some skills and some intelligence in resource management.

Oh, and when I said google pics, I meant for things like background clutter and whatnot... like floor tiles or wallpaper or random items, etc. Grab an image, clean it up / re-texture it if needed to blend in for the game, and as long as it's not the main focus in the game, no one will notice or care.

Someone new getting unexpected encouragement might just help them keep up their creative energy and stay focused on continuing their AVN/powering through the inevitable tough spots any creator encounters as part of turning their vision into something tangible.

Or it might just stroke their ego enough to start taking advantage. I understand your point of view and even agree to some degree, but due to this being the internet and not having a clue who we're dealing with other than some samples of communication from the devs, we have to be careful on how we support the devs (whether through compliments / feedback or money). Some devs (like you said) need encouragement and positive feedback, but others need to be beaten down with a stick to get them back in line. My point is... we simply need to keep a close eye on them and how they do things to hopefully get an idea of who we're dealing with before jumping into supporting them while the game is still being made (especially if the story isn't even half completed yet).


One of the drawbacks of this discussion is that I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here as a lot of it is opinion based and also you have to deal with devs on a case by case basis. It is a great discussion to have though and I'm glad the moderators didn't shut us down for it (at least not before we could have it).

EDIT: Edited to prevent unnecessary drama again, thank you moderators for the cleanup.