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If you really would support the game you didn't had to ask this question. You would know the answer like all supporters.
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Maccabbee
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My fuckin boxers literally provide more support!I support it with inaine comments in this thread
My g, do you think I spend my life living on a forum? There's not only 1 game I'm following. Sometimes the easiest way to get an update is to ask a question.
And if you're a "supporter", you're doing a pretty bad job at it, considering you're alienating other potential supporters like me from the game with your pissy unhelpful "you ain't allowed to ask questions, u are supposed to know hurrdurr" comments.
In my experience, the vast majority of people are completely incapable of telling the difference. There are several games updated in just the last couple of days where people are crying about AI models when the dev tagged the game w/ AI bc they used AI to generate the backgrounds. And to be really blunt, we'd all be better off if a lot of VA's and artists were replaced by AI.
I scanned in some paintings my ex did so she can sale them and most of the first comments were quite literally trying to claim physical paintings were AI art. I'm more than tired of listening to her break down about how she's going to be replaced by AI.
Make something that looks remotely professional and here come the accusations. Make something where you state you're using it as a tool for s specific reason, here come the accusations that you're using it for everything. Unless it looks like it's hand drawn by a preschooler, everything today is being accused of being AI by someone. Hell, AI art is quite literally based off of other peoples creations, which was based off of other peoples creations, which in turn were based off of other peoples creations. Neither the AI nor the artists would have been capable of creating the art we consume today if the artists before them hadn't created what they did.
For example, every alien depiction in scifi has characteristics of animals or humans when science dictates that it's incredibly unlikely that lifeforms from another planet would share any characteristics with how life on this planet evolved. Hell, we have a lot of animals that evolved from the sea to live on land, just to return to the see due to natural disasters taht would have only occurred on this planet. So we know alien life isn't likely to look remotely like anything we've seen before, and yet we're still incapable of conceiving anything that isn't derived from what we've already seen. We are literally no better than the AI we've created, and that's the sad truth.
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pitao
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And AI art (or any AI used to do creative tasks) is still in its infancy and will improve a lot, the only limitation is basically that art or any creative task is under more subjective judgement of quality depending on the observer/consumer, but AI can access data much faster than any single human (depending on what is powering it up hehe) and can learn by itself if will follow the same steps/phases than chess AI did.
Nearly 30 years ago was the last time it was news a chess Grandmaster beating AI in a chess duel, since then the best AI are way better than the best human players and is basically impossible for a human to beat StockFish for example unless it is set to a lower intelligence/lower ELO rating hehe. One of the great steps was done with AI AlphaZero that learned chess by itself playing consecutives matches against itself. So it is just a matter of time AI art take over, but are us humans that will set the rules on how it should be done and implemented and used. Same happens with automation etc etc there will always people afraid of their jobs being replaced by it.
Onething people need to understand is that for any game/movie/series to become a hit it needs enough audience who buy and pirate.If the game is available only for patrons then it would not grow and it will never have patrons.People buy things that are most talked about.Its human psychology.For example the biggest titles on this site wouldnt have had patrons growing if they were never pirated.So yeah not everything that is pirated kills the thing.Game of thrones was the most pirated series ever.Still it was huge success as more and more people talked and discussed about it HBO kept adding new patrons.Thats how things work in entertainment space
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CommanderWitcher
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There are good pirates and bad pirates. Some just use the games and move on, others, like me, play the games first and then if they enjoy it, they support it. As in every VN there is a link for patreon or steam, saying "if you enjoy them the game, consider supporting it". If it wasn't available outside of patreon, why bother putting an link in there.
Walter Victor
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Why on earth would I care if the developers I like see what I do or not? I am supporting their efforts whether they know it or not.
For that matter, absolutely no one here or on Patreon or on Subscribestar knows who I really am, and I use different IDs for each.
As for Discord, I used to frequent there a long time ago, but gave it up as too time consuming with extraneous garbage for the information I gleaned. There are probably 10 times more trolls on Discord than on F95, and that's saying something.
springautumncicada326
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Great Game, I would recommend to support them on any socials they have or supporting them on patron
I absolutely agree with your point about disposable income!
I'm not suggesting the choice should be supporting a dev's AVN with $ by not eating for a day or more.
But...
There are certainly Many people who 'could' offer $ support and don't.
My point in my prior post:
I will say that If a small % of the broader F95 community gave the price of a cup of coffee 1x/month to a dev they enjoyed, we would have Far fewer AVNs getting the abandoned tag.
I remember one dev I support with $ making the comment that his Patreon downloads were about 1% of the downloads of his AVN on F95.
I do believe that many devs (but not all) would end up creating bigger, better updates more frequently if the number of people who repeatedly downloaded their AVNs went from 1% who offered some $ support to 2-3%, for example.
Surely - given the vast number of users on F95 all over the world - increasing support for devs by an increase of 1 - 2% (from the example I gave in my original post) leaves out those who cannot afford to support with $ at this time.
No one here is saying 'which' AVNs should get that support.
Just that If a small % increase of F95 users actually supported a dev with $ at the lowest tier or limited their support to, for ex. $20 USD/year - equivalent, think how many devs could afford a hardware upgrade leading to better renders/faster updates and more of the content those supporters like versus the level of abandoned AVNs we currently see.
A brief example with the above in mind:
Two hundred new $ supporters/year at $20/supporter for that year (that is < $2 USD/month/supporter) = $4,000 in new support - which would help many devs improve their hardware (including some that I support that began the creation of their AVNs on laptops - which are not designed for the kind of workload AVN creation is increasingly putting on hardware).
The above does remind me that it is time to revisit a newer find and 'walk the talk' bumping up my support for a dev who has been doing a great job - and I won't go further OT here.
For those who read this:
If there is a dev out there who you enjoy and you have not had the chance to send them a little $ in recognition for their good work (and you can afford it) - why not take a few minutes to do this now, and add in a DM on Patreon/SS on Why you like their AVN.
A little encouragement like that could mean a great deal to a dev, especially someone newer to the start of their creation than a well-established creator.
OC - If you enjoy Ripples enough to download it multiple times from F95, I've no doubt that Jestur would appreciate a small $ donation as thanks for the great story we've already enjoyed and the next update which is well on its way to landing here (85% complete as of April 4, 2025).
Cheers!!
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turgsh01
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Sorry to jump in the middle of this discussion without knowing all the details and whatnot, but I had to respond to this part.
I highly doubt more donations would result in "far fewer" abandonment. Anyone who works for money always want more and those who work with passion will continue working regardless of income. The ones that should be focused on for support is as you say the ones getting the least amount of money, but I think every single dev out there receiving money for their work should be watched closely for signs of dishonesty and/or greed.
I've seen several devs making over $5000/month "milk" their supporters dry for years and then abandon their game without even so much as an apology to any of them. I've also seen multiple nice devs who have chosen not to accept money at all for their work despite the fanbase asking to support them. I've also seen several devs who are willing to pause donations whenever something out of their control happens hindering their work. But in all cases, games seem to just get abandoned no matter how much a dev makes. Sometimes, it's legal reasons, other times, it's personal, and of course sometimes, it's just blatant greed. No one should ever expect to make really good money while making a porn game either.
Increasing donations won't change much at all in my opinion.
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mike12013
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This has to be the most argumentative thread on here there's always something going on
there's always something going on
Maccabbee
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The further from the last update, the worse it gets. The stress of waiting makes it easier for me to be triggered by the whiners.This has to be the most argumentative thread on here
UnoriginalUserName
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*looks*This has to be the most argumentative thread on here
I can see how you might think that because judging by your account date you weren't here for "The Great BaDIK Waifu Wars of 2019".
Trust me, this shit's mild.
Walter Victor
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There is a cost to creating AVNs. Perhaps a developer starts out with minimal resources, gets a few releases in and realizes that their equipment is not up to the job. Unless that developer gets enough funding to increase those resources cancellation could well ensue. Whereas, an increase in subscriber revenue might allow continuation.
Developers come in all makes and sizes, with varying means at hand. Some do this for free and are glad to do it. But even some of those might suddenly realize that they've bitten off more than they can chew, and their real life [it's a bitch] situations prevent continuation.
DougsLeftNut
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Oh, my child. I hope you always stay as ignorant of Summertime Saga as you are at this moment.This has to be the most argumentative thread on here
UnoriginalUserName
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Which is an achievement by itself, just shows how thirsty people are for the game and how respected Jestur is as a dev.
Usually what happens is the opposite, people who only pirate complain and only say mean things for the dev, with the actual fans alienating themselves from the f95zone and going into the dev's socials. House of Shinobi and Desire of Fare are two big example of this.