Ren'Py Rovering to Sussex [Ch. 3 v0.3.0] [Zargon_games & RFB]

[NebulousShooter]

I agree it sounds like they want another run of the mill harem game
And god help any dev who wants to try something a bit different.

Its not as black and white as you make it out to be.
First of all, the game is distributed and promoted through the Young Again Patreon and on that game reputation and fanbase and was described as 'wholesome', well people coming from that game have every right to be disappointed, disgusted, annoyed, turned off by this 180 turn in content between the games. Contrary to some peoples comments earlier in the thread some sub-genres do not mix, they are like water and oil and no matter how many times devs have tried to reinvent the wheel it always failed spectacularly.

2nd, the devs insist on repeating that its done for immersion, I swear to God if I read one more time that tired excuse...I said above

You are aware that a couple of renders of PDA vs fully animated and rendered 'oPtIoNaL' scenes where LI are getting their organs rearranged, is enough to represent NPC having relationships, the only need for wasting resources and time on non MC scenes is because the dev enjoys this and wants to target that audience, which is perfectly fine, but be transparent about it and stop the cap that its for immersion purposes.

Showing a few renders of NPC kissing, holding hands, hugging and dialogue perfectly illustrates that. But realism was never the goal, fan service fetishes is.

Have the balls to own your game and admit that voyeurisms/swinging/cuckoldry is not 'optional content' in the game but is in fact the focus of the game, instead of dancing around and I swear you will get less flack. If you insist that its not true and all content is equal, than we are going into horrible game design territory, if I have to spend 4 chapters of these fetishes until I get into the MC finally building relationships with the LI, because you frontloaded non MC relationships at the start.

Also people discussing terminology and semantics never gets old, I swear they are literally two sides of the same coin, if the anti NTR crowd has the excuse of being uneducated, what is the excuse of the Japanese manga scholars when instead of acknowledging what people's issue really is with, aka unavoidable content, they harp on
'its not ntr' continuing the same endless cycle of discourse that they constantly complain about.

 

[razardkun]

I don't like playing games that only have a single update, so I was wating for more content to download and test, man what a bad story .And to think that a dev who already has another game, and made a new game of this level, if it were a
newbie could understand.

It's not worth wasting time on play this game, there are a lot of bad things, but I will make just one comment.What a pathetic/loser and sissy MC, you gotta be kidding me .

Well I've wasted too much time,This game will go to the ignore list.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I particularly like their different body types and that they're not all big-ass, big-tits using default Daz models.

The existing emoticons aren't sufficient to express my complete agreement with this - truth is I can put up with a lot of themes/stories I don't like to just play a game with regular attractive looking models.

I don't like playing games that only have a single update, so I was wating for more content to download and test, man what a bad story .And to think that a dev who already has another game, and made a new game of this level, if it were a
newbie could understand.

It's not worth wasting time on play this game, there are a lot of bad things, but I will make just one comment.What a pathetic/loser and sissy MC, you gotta be kidding me .

Well I've wasted too much time,This game will go to the ignore list.

Why are you here?

 

[Joshy92]

The existing emoticons aren't sufficient to express my complete agreement with this - truth is I can put up with a lot of themes/stories I don't like to just play a game with regular attractive looking models.


Why are you here?

What's even funnier he says he hates swinging yet chose to play a game with that tag lol

 

[Yngling]

Its not as black and white as you make it out to be.
First of all, the game is distributed and promoted through the Young Again Patreon and on that game reputation and fanbase and was described as 'wholesome', well people coming from that game have every right to be disappointed, disgusted, annoyed, turned off by this 180 turn in content between the games. Contrary to some peoples comments earlier in the thread some sub-genres do not mix, they are like water and oil and no matter how many times devs have tried to reinvent the wheel it always failed spectacularly.

2nd, the devs insist on repeating that its done for immersion, I swear to God if I read one more time that tired excuse...I said above
Showing a few renders of NPC kissing, holding hands, hugging and dialogue perfectly illustrates that. But realism was never the goal, fan service fetishes is.

Have the balls to own your game and admit that voyeurisms/swinging/cuckoldry is not 'optional content' in the game but is in fact the focus of the game, instead of dancing around and I swear you will get less flack. If you insist that its not true and all content is equal, than we are going into horrible game design territory, if I have to spend 4 chapters of these fetishes until I get into the MC finally building relationships with the LI, because you frontloaded non MC relationships at the start.

Also people discussing terminology and semantics never gets old, I swear they are literally two sides of the same coin, if the anti NTR crowd has the excuse of being uneducated, what is the excuse of the Japanese manga scholars when instead of acknowledging what people's issue really is with, aka unavoidable content, they harp on
View attachment 2757078 'its not ntr' continuing the same endless cycle of discourse that they constantly complain about.

Please enlighten us how this is supposed to be an NTR game if the protagonist isn't in any kind of relationship with any of the potential LI's in the beginning of the game.

I do find it kind of funny that the people who apparently hate this game because of supposed NTR go for the sluttiest of all available LI's, where there are plenty of other LI's to chose from. Just like in real life: if you decide to date a known slut, don't be suprised if she cheats on you.

Also, about the "wasting resources and time on non MC scenes": how do you feel about games which actually try to tell a story? Like Desert Stalker or The DeLuca Family, where a huge amount of scenes are just telling the story and the lewd scenes are only a portion of the game (especially true for The DeLuca Family).

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I do find it kind of funny that the people who apparently hate this game because of supposed NTR go for the sluttiest of all available LI's, where there are plenty of other LI's to chose from. Just like in real life: if you decide to date a known slut, don't be suprised if she cheats on you.

This and what gets to me is the word "wholesome", it's not the first time I've seen it used by that camp and provides a unique picture into their mind. There. Is. Nothing. Wholesome. About. A. Sex. Harem.

I'm infinitely more sympathetic to those who dislike 'ntr games' but prefer purely romantic, monogomous stories. But that's almost never the case, they want to treat girls like shit, and simultaneously be super slutty (but only with the mc ), and simultaneously be okay with being passed around, dropped and picked up. I get it, it's the male harem fantasy, and valid escapism. But don't turn around and pretend like that's anything but a pure fantasy far removed from reality. Don't aggress at players that want a game a little closer to reality than that fictional world. /rant


Will play through this update tonight and post review - hopefully there's more developments from the things started at the lake.

 

[Boehser Onkel]

how ...

how can anyone write a mc this boring .. edit : and creepy

the renders are great , girls are (mostly) cute
the phone is very well coded ..

but , yeah...

 

[jaw1986baby]

reflexbound Could we maybe help some of the people who do not want the ladies who get around a bit more?

Like who is not in any kind of thing with another man. So we can say hey try for [NAME] instead of Cat or Charlotte or Susan or... who else gets Lewd with another man so far?

I do not have a problem with LIs having set relationships and it seems like you are going to give some paths to steal women away from jerks (or maybe not jerks - I am not certain) which is cool for those that want that.

But even if she may not be a virgin, who is available if we do not want to steal or share? I am not sure that will help completely because.... reasons (we all know) but it could guide some people to what they will like.

Also if that is going to spoiler story and you do not want to, I am cool with that. I am simply curious if possible.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Please enlighten us how this is supposed to be an NTR game if the protagonist isn't in any kind of relationship with any of the potential LI's in the beginning of the game.

I do find it kind of funny that the people who apparently hate this game because of supposed NTR go for the sluttiest of all available LI's, where there are plenty of other LI's to chose from. Just like in real life: if you decide to date a known slut, don't be suprised if she cheats on you.

Also people discussing terminology and semantics never gets old, I swear they are literally two sides of the same coin, if the anti NTR crowd has the excuse of being uneducated, what is the excuse of the Japanese manga scholars when instead of acknowledging what people's issue really is with, aka unavoidable content, they harp on
View attachment 2757078 'its not ntr' continuing the same endless cycle of discourse that they constantly complain about.

You can't make this shit up

 

[NebulousShooter]

This and what gets to me is the word "wholesome", it's not the first time I've seen it used by that camp and provides a unique picture into their mind. There. Is. Nothing. Wholesome. About. A. Sex. Harem.

You just pulled that out of your ass, in fact I actually don't remember that many even asking here about that. I feel sorry for people like JoeTheMC84 , that took the time to write some of the most thought out and presented comments I've ever seen on this forum, carefully explaining why unavoidable content and frontloading the game to the point that the MC has less lewd than NPCs is a questionable design choice and the people defending the game gave him nothing to work with. They just continue to make up scenarios in their mind, just so they argue with themselves and win it, such as the only alternative to wholesome sharing and voyeur content being harem.

I get it, it's the male harem fantasy, and valid escapism. But don't turn around and pretend like that's anything but a pure fantasy far removed from reality. Don't aggress at players that want a game a little closer to reality than that fictional world. /rant

You have to be out of your mind, or extremely disingenuous to pretend that having threesomes and swinging with people you just met is realistic.

I'll say it for the last time, the game its like this because it makes dev's PP hard and its made for people that are into that, it has nothing to do with wanting to tell a realistic story, nothing. My only issue with the game is the disingenuous presentation, towing the line, harping on technicalities to try and get away with and leach on as many fanbases as possible, if the game would just own what it actually is, a lot of people would have just moved on by now.

Also, about the "wasting resources and time on non MC scenes": how do you feel about games which actually try to tell a story? Like Desert Stalker or The DeLuca Family, where a huge amount of scenes are just telling the story and the lewd scenes are only a portion of the game (especially true for The DeLuca Family).

A scene where LI and MC talk and get to know each other, advancing MC's relationships is better used resources and time for the majority of the players, instead of other characters having sex. One, if not the only sub-genre fanbase that wants more non MC scenes is ironically the one you keep trying to convince people that the game has nothing to do with it. Bonus points for using two of the best games on the site to try to prove a point.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

A scene where LI and MC talk and get to know each other, advancing MC's relationships is better used resources and time for the majority of the players, instead of other characters having sex. One, if not the only sub-genre fanbase that wants more non MC scenes is ironically the one you keep trying to convince people that the game has nothing to do with it. Bonus points for using two of the best games on the site to try to prove a point.

A scene where mc walks in on two of his friends having sex then they talk about it later IS advancing the relationship story. It may not be advancing it in a way you like, but it does set up material to talk about and reveal personalities, and how the characters react and interact.

As for realism, I'd say the whole scene that made muh harem players tweak out in this WAS realistic. If you've never walked in on someone having sex, you didnt get out much in college. Granted, that leading to moresomes goes into the realm of fiction pretty quick, but nothing unusual in pornland.



I don't really know why im typing this except out of a stupid desire to be stubborn, you clearly have no interest in this game, so why are you here? I know why I'm here, I have an interest in it.

 

[Kaoshin]

More NTR please

 

[Boehser Onkel]

More NTR please

 

[Joshy92]

I hope all this negativity from some people doesn't push the dev away
I have seen it happen in other threads

If you read this dev I want tell you
You have made a great game

And if people don't like it they can always just leave the thread and go play games they do like

 

[reflexbound]

Like who is not in any kind of thing with another man. So we can say hey try for [NAME] instead of Cat or Charlotte or Susan or... who else gets Lewd with another man so far?

As this chapter kind of ends the introduction/exposure phase, the pre-existing relationships should now be known for everyone who thoroughly played all of the available content (with the caveat that you should have played without stuff from the patch, or at least thought about the question in the game's very beginning if you have the patch enabled, just saying). If you paid attention, even the virgin/non-virgin business should be pretty clear, I guess? So I can't and won't stop you from talking about whatever you want

I hope all this negativity from some people doesn't push the dev away

Oh, I don't really mind it. I'm creating a game for myself and those who like it. I'd prefer if everyone else just walked away and played a game that they like, but if they want to rant here and leave facepalms, I don't care. And there's people like you who like what I'm doing, and that's enough for me.

 

[Nobles]

as much as I kinda liking the game. It kinda turns me off that its one of those games where you miss stuff no matter what choice I make. Already looking back and seeing gaps in the gallery ><. Makes me feel like im progressing one girls story, but I missing another girls story at the same time.. and as the games ever progressing forward, its like I cant go back and finish it. As I'd want to progress all the stories./development. As I'd aim for the MC to conquer all the girls (ones I like at least)

Also like a bit of vouyeur urination themes too. Already seen a fwe scenes which I guess is interesting. But I wonder if I\ve missed any as the nature of the game is missing scenes.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I'm so confused by the relationship functions, maybe I just can't read, but presumably something like

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[reflexbound]

Nobles Yes, you will need different play throughs to experience all content. In due time, the different girls' routes will be mutually exclusive and you will have to make a choice. It's just not a harem game. For now though, I think there's only two times where you have to choose: at the party (between the Cat and Katie scene) and at the lake (the Charlotte/Rachel and Cat/Katie scenes, here, Sancho's mod allows you to play both of them in one play through). There's also a few scenes with different path where you can only replay the paths that you unlocked in the game. You can either use Sancho's mod to just view the other paths or you will need multiple play throughs, at least one for each girl that you're interested in.

Pr0GamerJohnny There's nothing else going on. I count 3.5 as well here, the rest should be from the traits. There's nothing but that function, so where should anything else come from?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Nobles Yes, you will need different play throughs to experience all content. In due time, the different girls' routes will be mutually exclusive and you will have to make a choice. It's just not a harem game. For now though, I think there's only two times where you have to choose: at the party (between the Cat and Katie scene) and at the lake (the Charlotte/Rachel and Cat/Katie scenes, here, Sancho's mod allows you to play both of them in one play through). There's also a few scenes with different path where you can only replay the paths that you unlocked in the game. You can either use Sancho's mod to just view the other paths or you will need multiple play throughs, at least one for each girl that you're interested in.

Pr0GamerJohnny There's nothing else going on. I count 3.5 as well here, the rest should be from the traits. There's nothing but that function, so where should anything else come from?

Don't disagree, so why does the function yield the value pictured on the left - some 3.2727.... I should have included the nerdy and athletic, but the former was higher so it shouldn't be less.....

Anyway, great job on the update, I love the direction the game is going in - it's definitely a unique tack; most games treat other male characters as props whereas in this I sense itll be more of a Nash equilibrium - no reason not to buddy up to Steve if he has his eye on Helen as well as me.

Also I love the outdoor environments and scenes packed full of people. I've seen enough drab insides of houses and scenes with only 1-2 actors to last a lifetime. The only other game I can think of that has beautiful outdoor scenes is "The Patriarch".

 

[Joshy92]

Don't disagree, so why does the function yield the value pictured on the left - some 3.2727.... I should have included the nerdy and athletic, but the former was higher so it shouldn't be less.....

Anyway, great job on the update, I love the direction the game is going in - it's definitely a unique tack; most games treat other male characters as props whereas in this I sense itll be more of a Nash equilibrium - no reason not to buddy up to Steve if he has his eye on Helen as well as me.

Yeah, agree this update was awesome
I really like Helen & Rachel

Edit - I also really like Charlotte but I don't want to ruin her relationship.