VN Ren'Py Completed Secret Summer [v1.0 Epilogue] [SuperWriter]

[Deleted member 1412183]

I guess what my question is what exactly does this entail? I completely understand that you don't want to do a traditional harem route. Which I'm cool with. It is your story, write it how you see fit. But up to this point I have been helping all the girls with their problems. I have already invested into helping each girl. It seemed like that was going to be the main theme for a while(solving their problems one by one), and once I was finished then I would choose a route. That made the screen on this update somewhat jarring. So will helping all of the girls still be the priority, or is my route choice going to now be the focus?

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think maybe I will just do the harem route like I was thinking. I will add a scene to this update where you sit all of the girls down and tell them you are dating them and then you will go about fixing all of their problems while dating everyone.

Yes, I think that is what I'm going to do. This comment actually made it spark in my head a little bit so I appreciate it. There will be no route screen next update, and all of the women will acknowledge you are dating them.

For example, Leanne will ask if you were just with Irene and maybe make an inappropriate comment because she knows obviously you guys are together too.

And of course if you are not dating all the girls, you won't get those type of comments. Only those on the harem route will get those type of comments and acknowledgments and the harem scene in the first place.

This is why I come to this site and engage with the fans of the game, because I like to hear different ideas and constructive criticism like this. Thanks again. Definitely have a lot of thinking to do.

I LOVE HAREMS lol for those getting angry and facepalming. If you want to change a developer's mind then have constructive criticism like this guy or some of the others here trying to convince me because now I do see it in my head and that is exciting for me because I want to make everyone happy and I think I can write it where it can make sense now.

Thank you for those providing feedback and not just getting mad at me lol

 

[Mistress_Kixen]

I see there is no harem route in this game. If that is the case then the harem tag needs to be removed so people won't get the wrong idea. Fortunately for me I decided to use individual routes instead of just one big harem one so this doesn't bug me. However I had to start from scratch with this one instead of just uploading from the last one.

 

[TheLonelyGhost]

I think the MC needs to go see a doctor about those bumps...

 

[Wolfbeckett]

Okay, so I've read through the last few pages, and for what it's worth feel like I want to weigh in on the debate. There is no problem with games that don't want to have a harem route as long as the game still makes sense from a narrative perspective without it.

No harem works for games like (just to name a couple of super popular ones) BaDIK or COBD because these games have cohesive narratives outside of what's going on romantically that still brings all of the main characters together and has them interact with each other to overcome challenges even if the MC is not romancing them. So you can be completely uninterested in romancing Jill in BaDIK but she still befriends Josy and still joins you to study in the library with her. She's still a present force in the game.

This game's overarching narrative, however, was set up from the beginning to be that of a harem game like Sisterly Lust: the main plot is that the MC needs to solve all of the girls' problems. And that's all. There is no other plot and outside of the beginning of the game where the introductory stuff is happening the girls rarely interact with each other in any plot relevant way. Coral content is 100% about Coral. Irene content is 100% about Irene. Removing the harem aspect of this just makes the game feel like you're playing 5 separate games that all happen to feature the same MC. It's not my game so I'd never tell anyone what to do but my personal feeling on the game at this point is that if there won't be a future harem route then the narrative up to this point is disjointed beyond my ability to enjoy it. With a harem route, the way the story in this game is presented makes sense, we need to solve the girls' problems so that in the process they fall in love with MC thus paving the way for the harem. Without a harem route, it just feels like 5 separate, unrelated stories all jammed into the same game for some reason.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

Okay, so I've read through the last few pages, and for what it's worth feel like I want to weigh in on the debate. There is no problem with games that don't want to have a harem route as long as the game still makes sense from a narrative perspective without it.

No harem works for games like (just to name a couple of super popular ones) BaDIK or COBD because these games have cohesive narratives outside of what's going on romantically that still brings all of the main characters together and has them interact with each other to overcome challenges even if the MC is not romancing them. So you can be completely uninterested in romancing Jill in BaDIK but she still befriends Josy and still joins you to study in the library with her. She's still a present force in the game.

This game's overarching narrative, however, was set up from the beginning to be that of a harem game like Sisterly Lust: the main plot is that the MC needs to solve all of the girls' problems. And that's all. There is no other plot and outside of the beginning of the game where the introductory stuff is happening the girls rarely interact with each other in any plot relevant way. Coral content is 100% about Coral. Irene content is 100% about Irene. Removing the harem aspect of this just makes the game feel like you're playing 5 separate games that all happen to feature the same MC. It's not my game so I'd never tell anyone what to do but my personal feeling on the game at this point is that if there won't be a future harem route then the narrative up to this point is disjointed beyond my ability to enjoy it. With a harem route, the way the story in this game is presented makes sense, we need to solve the girls' problems so that in the process they fall in love with MC thus paving the way for the harem. Without a harem route, it just feels like 5 separate, unrelated stories all jammed into the same game for some reason.

Well, I commented above that I will be making it harem, but fixing each girls' problem is the focus of the game. And that would still be the focus for the solo routes, the others would just be summarized as you focus on one specific girl. Anyway moot point, you'll be dealing with them all at the same time lol

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

I think the MC needs to go see a doctor about those bumps...



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I messed up on the materials. I will fix it next update. Sorry about that

 

[xxTHESTYGIANxx]

Okay, so I've read through the last few pages, and for what it's worth feel like I want to weigh in on the debate. There is no problem with games that don't want to have a harem route as long as the game still makes sense from a narrative perspective without it.

No harem works for games like (just to name a couple of super popular ones) BaDIK or COBD because these games have cohesive narratives outside of what's going on romantically that still brings all of the main characters together and has them interact with each other to overcome challenges even if the MC is not romancing them. So you can be completely uninterested in romancing Jill in BaDIK but she still befriends Josy and still joins you to study in the library with her. She's still a present force in the game.

This game's overarching narrative, however, was set up from the beginning to be that of a harem game like Sisterly Lust: the main plot is that the MC needs to solve all of the girls' problems. And that's all. There is no other plot and outside of the beginning of the game where the introductory stuff is happening the girls rarely interact with each other in any plot relevant way. Coral content is 100% about Coral. Irene content is 100% about Irene. Removing the harem aspect of this just makes the game feel like you're playing 5 separate games that all happen to feature the same MC. It's not my game so I'd never tell anyone what to do but my personal feeling on the game at this point is that if there won't be a future harem route then the narrative up to this point is disjointed beyond my ability to enjoy it. With a harem route, the way the story in this game is presented makes sense, we need to solve the girls' problems so that in the process they fall in love with MC thus paving the way for the harem. Without a harem route, it just feels like 5 separate, unrelated stories all jammed into the same game for some reason.

I agree with you about non harem, but you forgot "Retrieving the Past". We all remember that thread and the outrage even thought it was stated to NOT be a Harem game. Like you said it comes down to the narrative and this one was, or at least with tags, set up to something that suddenly got changed.

 

[TheLonelyGhost]

I messed up on the materials. I will fix it next update. Sorry about that

Lol it's all good man I'm not trying to throw shade. It just made me laugh. Not even in the top 100 for fucked up textures in a AVN.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

I agree with you about non harem, but you forgot "Retrieving the Past". We all remember that thread and the outrage even thought it was stated to NOT be a Harem game. Like you said it comes down to the narrative and this one was, or at least with tags, set up to something that suddenly got changed.

It originally had no Harem tag and then it got added. It did not have it from the beginning. Like I said the game is being made actively and definitely not all figured out development wise so that's the reason. Hope you understand but it turned out how you wanted anyway lol

 

[Wolfbeckett]

Well, I commented above that I will be making it harem, but fixing each girls' problem is the focus of the game. And that would still be the focus for the solo routes, the others would just be summarized as you focus on one specific girl. Anyway moot point, you'll be dealing with them all at the same time lol

Haha, I do see that now, I think you must have posted that while I was writing up my dissertation there .

Excited to see how it turns out!

 

[xxTHESTYGIANxx]

Well, I commented above that I will be making it harem, but fixing each girls' problem is the focus of the game. And that would still be the focus for the solo routes, the others would just be summarized as you focus on one specific girl. Anyway moot point, you'll be dealing with them all at the same time lol

That is most of our points. The way the "main Story" went we as players dealt with the girls problems while getting closer to them. Honestly, I would rather wait for updates like 0.8 than deal with the division of 0.9. Nothing in this update said: " Hey, the MC needs to be in a different country from the rest" Just like, with how well you have written the story up to this update says: " every girl needs her own solo path to fix her problems". We have all enjoyed going at it a prblem at a time with each girl but still having content for each girl.

I can't and won't speak for most on here but for me, I would rather you take time and keep the past format building up to the "pay day", rather than, turning it into a solo here or a solo there. To many girls that need to be addressed that way, and it turns into several VNs rather than the one that brought us here.

 

[armoose92]

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think maybe I will just do the harem route like I was thinking. I will add a scene to this update where you sit all of the girls down and tell them you are dating them and then you will go about fixing all of their problems while dating everyone.

Yes, I think that is what I'm going to do. This comment actually made it spark in my head a little bit so I appreciate it. There will be no route screen next update, and all of the women will acknowledge you are dating them.

For example, Leanne will ask if you were just with Irene and maybe make an inappropriate comment because she knows obviously you guys are together too.

And of course if you are not dating all the girls, you won't get those type of comments. Only those on the harem route will get those type of comments and acknowledgments and the harem scene in the first place.

This is why I come to this site and engage with the fans of the game, because I like to hear different ideas and constructive criticism like this. Thanks again. Definitely have a lot of thinking to do.

I LOVE HAREMS lol for those getting angry and facepalming. If you want to change a developer's mind then have constructive criticism like this guy or some of the others here trying to convince me because now I do see it in my head and that is exciting for me because I want to make everyone happy and I think I can write it where it can make sense now.

Thank you for those providing feedback and not just getting mad at me lol

I really appreciate you replying to my post. It was not my intention to convince you to make a harem route. It was mainly a question about the structure of the upcoming content. But the fact you are willing to listen to, and reply to, criticism/suggestions is really cool. Even on a site dedicated to pirating your game. I wasn't a patron before, but you definitely earned it today.

 

[doctorFolderu]

This was a great update dev, thanks! But please, focus on ANY girl but Coral. She is the only one I don't like

 

[xxTHESTYGIANxx]

It originally had no Harem tag and then it got added. It did not have it from the beginning. Like I said the game is being made actively and definitely not all figured out development wise so that's the reason. Hope you understand but it turned out how you wanted anyway lol

Now I did say and stand behind the fact I wasn't attacking you or this VN. I for one love it. Minus this update. It was just a critique based on how this was and where we are now nothing more.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

That is most of our points. The way the "main Story" went we as players dealt with the girls problems while getting closer to them. Honestly, I would rather wait for updates like 0.8 than deal with the division of 0.9. Nothing in this update said: " Hey, the MC needs to be in a different country from the rest" Just like, with how well you have written the story up to this update says: " every girl needs her own solo path to fix her problems". We have all enjoyed going at it a prblem at a time with each girl but still having content for each girl.

I can't and won't speak for most on here but for me, I would rather you take time and keep the past format building up to the "pay day", rather than, turning it into a solo here or a solo there. To many girls that need to be addressed that way, and it turns into several VNs rather than the one that brought us here.

The only thing I am arguing against is the format. From the beginning, it has been focused on one or two girls each update, minus the first or to update where you had to meet all of the women.

Go on a date with Norah > go hang out with Zoe. Update 6, you only see Irene and go with her ice skating and to the party and everything. Update 7, you only see Coral and Leanne while focusing on their problems. Update 8, you only see Norah and Zoe again and both of their content is isolated and not together.

From the beginning, you go from each girl to each girl, you are never with them all fixing their problems, it's always separate and all of my games are pretty much like that. This update was no difference as you focus on Irene and her problem just like you did in update 6. You don't see any of the other girls, absolutely no difference.

I really appreciate you replying to my post. It was not my intention to convince you to make a harem route. It was mainly a question about the structure of the upcoming content. But the fact you are willing to listen to, and reply to, criticism/suggestions is really cool. Even on a site dedicated to pirating your game. I wasn't a patron before, but you definitely earned it today.

Thanks a lot, man. I am making the games for you guys so obviously it matters what you all think. Thank you for the support!

This was a great update dev, thanks! But please, focus on ANY girl but Coral. She is the only one I don't like

Lol that's actually pretty funny because I put up a poll that is still up on my patreon about who is your favorite girl in secret summer and she is by far number one by like 50 votes

Now I did say and stand behind the fact I wasn't attacking you or this VN. I for one love it. Minus this update. It was just a critique based on how this was and where we are now nothing more.

Oh, no, even if we don't agree on every point I appreciate your constructive criticism and I will always listen to it so no problem at all.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I really appreciate you replying to my post. It was not my intention to convince you to make a harem route. It was mainly a question about the structure of the upcoming content. But the fact you are willing to listen to, and reply to, criticism/suggestions is really cool. Even on a site dedicated to pirating your game. I wasn't a patron before, but you definitely earned it today.

yeah SuperWriter is absolutely amazing

and I'm not just saying that because I may or may not have gotten to turn one of the women I love into my baby mama
he's a prince among men

 

[Bailz]

i agree superwriter is top tier when in comes to VNs, the consistency in quality in each of the VNs is great even when i thought i wouldn't like it it goes and surprises me like Sun breed, i never thought i would like sun breed because its a KN but the story and the girls make it awesome and in PP the only thing i was disappointed with was that there was no solo ending with Sabrina it involved Miracle, and in in this one all the girls are fantastic and have their own stories within the overall story which helps to get invested in them

so all i can say is keep doing what your doing because its great and i always look forward to VNs being made by you
(and no im not simping)

 

[xxTHESTYGIANxx]

The only thing I am arguing against is the format. From the beginning, it has been focused on one or two girls each update, minus the first or to update where you had to meet all of the women.

Go on a date with Norah > go hang out with Zoe. Update 6, you only see Irene and go with her ice skating and to the party and everything. Update 7, you only see Coral and Leanne while focusing on their problems. Update 8, you only see Norah and Zoe again and both of their content is isolated and not together.

From the beginning, you go from each girl to each girl, you are never with them all fixing their problems, it's always separate and all of my games are pretty much like that. This update was no difference as you focus on Irene and her problem just like you did in update 6. You don't see any of the other girls, absolutely no difference.



Thanks a lot, man. I am making the games for you guys so obviously it matters what you all think. Thank you for the support!



Lol that's actually pretty funny because I put up a poll that is still up on my patreon about who is your favorite girl in secret summer and she is by far number one by like 50 votes



Oh, no, even if we don't agree on every point I appreciate your constructive criticism and I will always listen to it so no problem at all.

At the end of the day my comments were critiques based solely on the update not the story as a whole. I will say again you can tell a story, just keep that in mind going forward without suprise path choices, or at the very least instead of calling them "solo" find another name for them so people don't get the wrong idea as to solo vs. harem.

Keep writing, keep telling a story, you are very good at it just kind of see where we as players are comming from aswell. I am not saying change it, just keep it in mind for the next one and there will always be a next one.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

The only thing I am arguing against is the format. From the beginning, it has been focused on one or two girls each update, minus the first or to update where you had to meet all of the women.

Go on a date with Norah > go hang out with Zoe. Update 6, you only see Irene and go with her ice skating and to the party and everything. Update 7, you only see Coral and Leanne while focusing on their problems. Update 8, you only see Norah and Zoe again and both of their content is isolated and not together.

From the beginning, you go from each girl to each girl, you are never with them all fixing their problems, it's always separate and all of my games are pretty much like that. This update was no difference as you focus on Irene and her problem just like you did in update 6. You don't see any of the other girls, absolutely no difference.



Thanks a lot, man. I am making the games for you guys so obviously it matters what you all think. Thank you for the support!



Lol that's actually pretty funny because I put up a poll that is still up on my patreon about who is your favorite girl in secret summer and she is by far number one by like 50 votes



Oh, no, even if we don't agree on every point I appreciate your constructive criticism and I will always listen to it so no problem at all.

First I'm playing this for Norah.

Second I love that the mc has a goal to solve each of his loved ones issue.

3rd I like harem vns but I don't necessarily need all vns to be harem.

4th and final I just personally don't want them to find out about each other and suddenly it turns into a heart breaking pointless drama. Soap opera or dr Phil bs!
Fuck realism when it's depressing imo.

Whatever you decide best of luck....

 

[VN..reader]

You can do all of those activities, it'll just be summarized. This is the thing, I like to write different realities. For example, one of the women will be getting pregnant. If I do that on a harem route, it destroys the story because I want to focus on the pregnancy.

So I do understand if you do not like how I write this game and PP, but I like writing solo routes. What would happen if you ended up with this girl or this girl? Your life would be very different and I like to show the player how it would turn out.

I understand you are disappointed that I'm leaning towards no harem route, but I've explained I just don't see it right now. Can I force myself to write one? Sure, but I can't see it in my head and it would be shitty because I would not know how to write it.

I'm sorry, but I can only write my stories the way I have been doing.

kinda almost have to think of it in terms like a AAA game. choose who your follower is going to be and play it thru. start a new game and do things differently. both the ES and FO series have tons of options for multiple play-thru's. it comes about as however much you want to be immersed. no saying harem is less immersive, just different than when it's give your ALL for One.. instead of SOME for All. alright, alright .. alright