VN Ren'Py Completed Secret Summer [v1.0 Epilogue] [SuperWriter]

[mcclem5257]

So, I assume that we aren't able to drop the Epilogue files into the Complete Beta version and must play the Epilogue as a Standalone?

 

[JohnF95zone]

Hot dem this game is completed, skipped under my radar completely, I have not even play or heard of it before.

So, how do I play this? First, the complete beta and then epilogue?

 

[JohnF95zone]

off the top of my head Artemis, Chasing Sunsets, and Dreams of Reality are all directly connected (by characters appearing) to Leap of Faith. Dreams of Reality contains an obvious reference to being connected to Pale Carnations but not 100% if the timeline works on that one. I think all the crossovers are well done as in they are really cool if you know but dont detract if you dont

Interesting. The link between Dreams of Reality to Pale Carnations (have not played this one yet), is it related to Cindy, the bar she works or her co-worker?

 

[Woodalicca]

Can someone tell me If there's any new content in this completed version, please?

 

[jkst]

So do i download the game then download the epilogue or the game already has the epilogue?

 

[Vince69]

Does the game at least have the sex scenes animated now? Because the last time I played it, it had no animation.
The renders look much better than before... The story was kinda decent... I hope it developed well...

 

[lordfridge9]

There is more story to tell, yes. Which will continue in a sequel like I said. And if I decide not to do a sequel for whatever reason, I will do a DLC that continues the storyline and ends it in a more complete manner.

I keep saying it over and over, but the game is NOT done. Neither is Picture Perfect

Ey yo, my brother in FAP, why the new account??

 

[Jonboy80]

Oh, sweet. Just realized this was made by the same team as Picture Perfect. I loved PP, so definitely looking forward to this title.

 

[D3xzalias]

Shouldn't the tag say on hold since superwriter is just pausing development of it

from Superwriter's discord:

Like I said, I WILL return to this game

 

[kcaldw]

I think that the DEV did a good job with this game although he ended the game originally with endings nobody liked he did go back and give us the Epilogue that gave everyone the closure that we were looking for. So great job SuperWriter. I am greatly hoping that you continue where you left off in this game. Just work on what you are currently working on and come back to this game when you feel the time is right for you.

 

[KingRocket]

Just to add my 2 cents to this argument about "unconstructive criticism" in the comments:
I don't think this is the place for constructive criticism in the first place, otherwise why do we even have the Reviews tab? Sure, it would help if the comments are useful and positive, but I don't think people need to be called out because they typed something like "gaem suxx xD" without offering any useful feedback. If they act like some entitled clown then yeah call them out for that, but not on the reason of "Your comment have no value" or "Why aren't you offering good feedback?"

If it's the opposite reaction, like a comment saying "Oh I really like this" we aren't gonna start asking them to write out what exactly that they like now are we? It is not off-topic because they are talking about the game, it just that their comment boiled down to a Yes/No answer. They aren't beholden to anyone to explain themselves.

While I don't agree to the comment claiming the game to be trash, I can't agree to SuperWriter's respond and setting that expectation on every user of this site either. No objectivity? Only promote things you like while trashing things you don't like? Wow, it's like they are humans with bias or something. But I'm certain this is something that only happen in pirate sites like this one, and not on every other platform out there.

So yeah, that's it from me. Sorry for the rant.

 

[Cirdon]

There is more story to tell, yes. Which will continue in a sequel like I said. And if I decide not to do a sequel for whatever reason, I will do a DLC that continues the storyline and ends it in a more complete manner.

I keep saying it over and over, but the game is NOT done. Neither is Picture Perfect

It's your game, you do what works for you.

Is the Epilogue meant to be a stand alone or will it be integrated into the "complete" game? (if it's going to be integrated I'll wait to check it out, if it's a stand alone I may look sooner)

 

[Guyin Cognito]

The Epilogue here should be a standalone thing, for policy reasons related to Steam (as I understand it).

 

[indio68]

Probably the Patreon versions. Also the OP is a bit confusing: The first links are the main game with the "old" endings as before. The second one marked as "Epilogue only" are the new additional scenes, but it's an own game (I think SW said he had to do that because of steam, they do not allow it to make a full game again on Patreon).

Info: Koga has already a new mod version where he integrated the epilogue to the main game

do yoiu think i can download that versaion and continue from my last save wich was before the beta (wich is the main link)..hope there are all girls ending at least..and nothing left in the air..thanks

 

[Crowangel]

on two seperate projects now you have done identical things.. set up a good story then rushed the endings.. even if there is going to be more in this 'anthology' wouldnt it make sense to build on the popularity of your established work and actually deliver on the plot points put in place instead of and eg here for Secret summer.. in the previous update each character (almost) had their set up plot rushed and time skipped through instead of taking the time to give each story its dues.. there was no reason to fast track any of them tales with the exception of the pregnancy but even that could have been spread out or saved for the epilogue with more content for that story put in the gap between.. the game competition again rushed with no real conclusion that didnt feel like it was put in as a fast way to bring the story to a close.. EVERYTHING about these last couple of episodes has felt rushed and like you just couldnt be bothered with the characters or story any more and i know this isnt the case as your a good writer but your closing skills for both PP and this are terrible.. it makes all the fun of the reading of this VN suddenly feel like a giant pin was stuck into it and an almost immediate deflation occured leaving the reader feeling like they have just been massivly let down by what (both times) looked to be a very interesting story

 

[Porthas]

All I can say about "endings" and such is, if you have plans to epilogue, make DLC, tie-in's or sequels, it's probably a good idea to share those plans in one way or another. Ideally in-game, kinda like Dragon Age Inquisition with Solas, pre-Trespasser. I don't think you're charging more for the extra ending stuff, so that won't be an issue like it was for the Trespasser DLC, which basically gave Inquisition its true ending. Or Mass Effect 3 and its rather abrupt and awkward original ending, which had to be fixed later on with in-story edits and an epilogue. People seem to like epilogues.

If you don't share those plans and the ending are kinda abrupt and/or don't tie up all loose ends, people will notice and get frustrated.

Just my two cents.

 

[punisher2099]

These aren't supposed to be definitive endings more like end season cliffhangers for tv shows these stories are not over yet.

 

[Deleted member 5075328]

All I can say about "endings" and such is, if you have plans to epilogue, make DLC, tie-in's or sequels, it's probably a good idea to share those plans in one way or another. Ideally in-game, kinda like Dragon Age Inquisition with Solas, pre-Trespasser. I don't think you're charging more for the extra ending stuff, so that won't be an issue like it was for the Trespasser DLC, which basically gave Inquisition its true ending. Or Mass Effect 3 and its rather abrupt and awkward original ending, which had to be fixed later on with in-story edits and an epilogue. People seem to like epilogues.

If you don't share those plans and the ending are kinda abrupt and/or don't tie up all loose ends, people will notice and get frustrated.

Just my two cents.

Did you play my epilogue? That's basically what I did lol. All the storylines are in a new place one year later. You and Coral working for the IM devs, you have a child who Irene now, etc. The next installment would have these elements.

 

[JohnF95zone]

Here's the thing about feedback that most likely many people don't realize, feedbacks aren't created equal, they come in all sizes and types, and people hardly realize that there are useful and useless feedbacks too.

"This game sucks" is a negative feedback, obviously useless feedbacks on its own, having negative impact on the principal like depression, frustration.

"The game is awesome" is a positive feedback, not so much useful feedback on its own, not completely useless feedback because at least it gives positive reinforcement to the principal for example boost morale, motivation.

Negative feedbacks either trigger no response or negative responses (like stfu, facepalm etc.), vice versa positive feedbacks either trigger no response or positive responses (like getting a like, heart, etc.).

The developer loves to and will benefit a lot by reading about those constructive feedbacks ergo useful feedbacks. Even those negative feedbacks if supported with relevant information like (but not limited to) "what do you hate about it?", "what don't work?", "what worked poorly/terribly?". "what's wrong?", "why x is like this or that?", "this should be like that" etc. will be highly appreciated.

Whereas, those positive feedbacks if supported with relevant information like (but not limited to) "what do you like about it?". "what work well?". "what can be improved further?", "what you want?", "what you want more?" etc. will be highly favorable and appreciated.

While feedback is good it is also a double edge sword, it is beneficial to the developer but not necessarily beneficial to the players because even if they have provided ample useful feedbacks, that does not mean or translate into them being implemented or acted upon by the developer, which kind of make them feel "what is the point of giving feedbacks in the first place?". I guess it is what it is, it has its upside and it has its downside. If everyone give their best effort, naturally there will be an equivalent best outcome.

Unfortunately, players will always be players, some are outstanding member of the community and some are deplorable, some feels they are entitled to everything, some assume everyone can read minds and understand what they meant by just a word, and so forth. Just can't expect the best possible useful feedbacks all time. Vice versa, the developer is also just a single guy with limited resources and constraints which will ultimately hinder him from reciprocating all those feedbacks. Hostilities on either sides brings nothing but discord (not the platform or app btw).

One thing that I still don't understand is when some people (in general) post a single/simple that they don't like something (or some game for example) and that's pretty much about it. I mean why? Why do we need to know if you don't like it? For example, if you don't like pop music or Justin Bieber, why do you need to tell that to everyone? Why should everyone knows about that? It's not like we are close friends or anything, we are strangers. What even weirder is why go and post that to the fans of what you don't like (for example to the fans of pop music or Justin Bieber)?. There are people that even post (to the fans) they don't like a non-incest game because the game doesn't contains incest, in the non-incest game thread, how absurd is that.

Personally, I would like the developer to stay away from engaging intense debacle on this thread and instead focus his time and energy towards productive work. However, since he is willing to take his time engaging with the fanbase, I hope he will have the strength and willpower not to be distracted by minor dissidences.

How about that, I apologize for the lengthy post for someone who had not followed any discussion on this thread at all. Also, the thing about feedback is not limited to just this game but it is more generalized and can be applied to other things as well. I just got here wanting to try this game and haven't found the answer to my enquiry yet. I guess I just have to try and find out, download the latest release & epilogue, and then play.

P/S: Is there a default name for the MC? Will there be funny dialogues if MC name is John or John Holmes?

 

[Guyin Cognito]

Just to add my 2 cents to this argument about "unconstructive criticism" in the comments:
I don't think this is the place for constructive criticism in the first place, otherwise why do we even have the Reviews tab? Sure, it would help if the comments are useful and positive, but I don't think people need to be called out because they typed something like "gaem suxx xD" without offering any useful feedback. If they act like some entitled clown then yeah call them out for that, but not on the reason of "Your comment have no value" or "Why aren't you offering good feedback?"

If it's the opposite reaction, like a comment saying "Oh I really like this" we aren't gonna start asking them to write out what exactly that they like now are we? It is not off-topic because they are talking about the game, it just that their comment boiled down to a Yes/No answer. They aren't beholden to anyone to explain themselves.

While I don't agree to the comment claiming the game to be trash, I can't agree to SuperWriter's respond and setting that expectation on every user of this site either. No objectivity? Only promote things you like while trashing things you don't like? Wow, it's like they are humans with bias or something. But I'm certain this is something that only happen in pirate sites like this one, and not on every other platform out there.

So yeah, that's it from me. Sorry for the rant.

I see what you're saying, and to an extent you do have a point.

However, if someone gives middling approval such as, "This is fine, it's pretty good, there's nothing wrong with it," etc. there's really not much to expand on. You can't really ask or expect anything more from that kind of mild praise. If someone came in and said something more like, "This game is absolutely perfect! It's the best AVN ever, and everyone should play it! It has no flaws!" then quite frankly, we should question that and ask them to expand on why they are giving it such high praise.

In the same way, is someone came in and said, "Meh, I didn't really like it, I didn't think it was anything great, I found it boring and disappointing," that's relatively mild criticism that doesn't really draw any further questions. When some says, "This game is utter trash," that's some intense hate that deserves to be explained.

It's not a perfect comparison, but I would also like to compare it to defamation. If someone publicly says, "John Smith is awesome, great, and wonderful. Woman want him and men want to be him," no one is going to take that speaker to court over it, because there's no harm done by praise. When someone says, "John Smith is a psychopath that eats babies, rapes koalas, and murdered JFK," then that speaker better have evidence to prove they have some reason to be saying that or their ass is gonna get sued, because publicly defaming people is considered bad form and is not generally accepted by society.

EDIT: Forgot a point. Part of the reason I feel this mentality should be upheld when discussing someone's work or art is that if everything is good, there's no need to change anything. If something is wrong, then there is something that needs (or at least could) be done about it. So, it's more important and useful for someone with a negative opinion to explain it than for someone with a positive opinion to explain it. It's kind of like how we learn more from failure than success, but that only works if we actually learn something from the experience.