I don't know what you think it is insulting about the my quote or how you thought I meant to imply you were saying something bad about the developer. My quote, originally, was not about this discussion, but bout people calling NTR to pretty much the existence of other males. I was simply surprised that my joke taking the point to the extreme was pretty much being discussed here.
Ah i see, thats fair enough. Sorry for the confusion.
I did read the discussion. While the point that you were making a joke about the dildo NTR was not clear to me, though, I do believe that the whole point of "the presence of hymen" as the defining point of virginity, even for erotica, is debatable if not simply wrong. In fact, as far as I know, and you can ask google, there are girls born without hymen, so... are they born without being virgins? I can understand you have some idea of "literature standard", but that cannot be used as THE literature standard. Tags, while not perfect, try to be defined in a consistent way and most would agree virginity is not defined simply by penetration. You even use the idea of a "perfect female", but "perfect" the way you are using it is subjective to your specific opinion. How can that be useful as a tag?
I agree, the presence of a hymen being equal to or not equal to virginity is debatable. That's why I brought it up. And yes there are girls born without hymens (extremely rare but it does happen). There are all types of variations of hymen, hence why some girls don't bleed during their first act of penetration.
I wouldn't exactly call it a "literature standard" I'm putting across the idea that fictional erotica need not be so confined as concepts based in reality. Whether I, you or anyone else has an issue or disagrees with it, it's still a very common fantasy. I think the vehement arguments that often happen on this site regarding NTR are enough to show that.
I suppose the tags mostly do their job in their current state but, it's not the first time any single tag on this site has caused a lot of confusion or disappointment. This is inevitable because anything sexual will never be objective.
As for the topic of virginity not being defined by penetration, I think this is surprisingly more of a subjective topic despite "social norms". The reason for that is because what constitutes anything sexual is inherently subjective. In the same way that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Here is an explanation to frame all this a bit better...
A lot of people think that having penis-in-vagina sex for the first time is how you lose your virginity. But this leaves lots of people and other types of sex out of the picture. Some people haven’t had penis-in-vagina sex, but they’ve had other kinds of sex (like oral sex or anal sex) — and they may or may not see themselves as virgins. And there are lesbian, gay, bisexual or pansexual people who may never have penis-in-vagina sex at all. But they probably don't see themselves as lifelong virgins just because they haven’t had penis-in-vagina sex. Many people believe rape and sexual assault aren’t sex — it’s only sex if both partners have consent. So if someone was forced or pressured the first time they had vaginal sex, oral sex, or anal sex, they may not see that as “losing their virginity.”
The bottom line is that it's complicated and not as simple as "penis in vagina = lose virginity".
Edit: Reading through some of the posts again, there does seem to be a lot of focus on the tearing of the hymen when all I actually ever said was penetration. Purposeful penetration under the persons own will. The focus is really more on the act rather than the physical consequences when it comes to the whole fantasy of the "innocent pure virgin". It's not about the lack of a hymen due to what she did, it's about her actually doing it. Also lets be honest if the girl I/you wanted to have sex with was using a 10 inch dildo before ever having a penis in her, I/you would probably feel a bit deflated for obvious reasons.
