VN Ren'Py Sins of the Father [v0.8.1] [Kaffekop]

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First off, thank you for giving this project a spin.
I do agree with you about incest and I know that some have felt let down by what is happening in the story at this point, but this is the horror of making these projects in incremental updates and not just releasing a finished product. You only get to play these incremental updates and that may leave much time to speculate about things between updates.

I will say this again: This is part of the story and not something that has been pushed to stay on Patreon. If I'm put under review some day, I'll find another place for my project because I'm not changing my story to accomodate anyone.
The same goes for those that have tried to get me to change the narrative to get the story in line with what they think it should be about or be like - not going to happen.
If people happen to like what I'm making then I am a lucky developer indeed, and if not well then ... tough luck.

I'm generally not willing to give away spoilers as to what is to come. I for one hate to be told that the butler did it, when I turn to page 60 in a novel.
I will however say this, and I've said it before in another post (I think. My mind may be playing tricks on me): There is incest in this project.

The real issue here is, I think, that most people pick up any of these VN's, games, whatever and think that they know what is going to happen. This is of course our fault as developers, because we have created a precedence of what is to be expected in a VN and when something throws us off, then many have a tendency to get annoyed or taken aback.

I hope I'm not coming off as being gruff or anything like that. It' is not my intent.

Cheers - Kaffekop

Your points are valid, but adding the "incest" tag and passing it off as such is very deceitful. I just feel like I threw three hours of my life in the trash can.

I can see real people doing vanilla porn. I play these games to be able to fantasize about something that is almost impossible to find in real life (and shouldn't happen anyway, as it carries potentially serious psychologial consequences for the parties involved). If you're just going to show me something that I can see anywhere else with a single click of the mouse, please be honest about it. I (and I imagine most people) don't have enough time in my day to waste with a massive boner-killer like this.

 

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I turned off the game, deleted it, and fumigated my computer after the "big reveal," so I wouldn't know, but fair enough. The "incest" tag is accurate, but sister/sister, brother/sister stuff doesn't turn me on as much. Also, you spend the whole game under the impression that the lady is your real mom. If he's going to pull the rug from under people with this fetish, please, PLEASE, make it clear in the game's description or something that the mom-son stuff is not legit. Sure, it's a "spoiler", but it's like that show "there's something about miriam", where the lady turned out to have been trans all along and the contestants were pissed off: it's better to spoil these things

Also, I don't think Dylan's mom is his real mom. The game calls her his father's wife.

It's a shame, too, because the renders are fairly above average .

 

[Mytez]

This is probably more a problem with character/player perception. As a character, for all intends and purposes, she IS his mom. Maybe they are not blood related, but she's the woman that took care of him his whole life and acted like a mother, so for him pursuing a relationship with her would still be tabooish, same with Nat.

But as a player, we are not emotionally connected to her as MC is, so we might or might not consider it an incestuous relationship (I personally do, even if it's not by the book).

 

[flagwork]

This is probably more a problem with character/player perception. As a character, for all intends and purposes, she IS his mom. Maybe they are not blood related, but she's the woman that took care of him his whole life and acted like a mother, so for him pursuing a relationship with her would still be tabooish, same with Nat.

But as a player, we are not emotionally connected to her as MC is, so we might or might not consider it an incestuous relationship (I personally do, even if it's not by the book).

I'm not saying you're wrong, exactly, but as I see it, there is nothing wrong or taboo about having sex with a woman that shares no blood relation with you, though. A little bit weird, a bit freaky, sure, but nothing that people wouldn't be able to get used to after a while. Woody Allen married the girl he helped raise, which by all measures should be emotionally considered his "daughter", and no one gives too much of a shit.

 

[minoan55]

At such an early stage of development, calling out the developer for "deceit" over the incest tag is (kinda) stupid - NONE of us knows how the story is going to pan out (probably KaffeKop only knows the broad details, as characters often take on a life of their own).
There may be all kinds of "unexpected" incest long the way (I have a creeping dread that Nat may be the product of familial abuse), also (as I said many pages ago) I think that Lake View was your fathers' home town - who knows how many of the residents that you bang are your relatives - Eveline could be a cousin, Melanie certainly knew your father. etc.
I'm not too bothered about incest, as long as the story is good and pulls me in - and, i have to say, this story is turning into one of the best VN stories i have read.

 

[Skylaroo]

it's better to spoil these things

100% disagree.

This is not a completed game. You are playing in parts, and you're taking the risk where the game is not proceeding to where you want it to go. For what it's worth, the mom could've been the real mom and then suddenly died in the game before you could bang her. Would you need to be spoiled that mom would die as well before playing the game?

If you prefer to be spoiled, you might want to wait until games are completed, then ask "Is the mom the real mom and can you bang her?" so you'd know what you're getting into.

 

[K9]

Hey, so you know how I said it was the definitive version of the walkthrough for 0.6?

Turns out, it was not.

Got the idea to number the choices for easy reference, it makes indicating the paths to get specific scenes clearer and less subject to mistakes. I also put some meat on some barebone descriptions.

So, yeah... You have to download it again if you want cutting-edge walkthroughnology.

Good news is, I probably won't tinker with it again today. Or at least for the next five minutes. Probably. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Edit: I tinkered. Aligned choices on the left of the page and clarified prerequisites for some of them, hopefully making it harder to get them wrong.

 

[Sammy1]

K9, great job on the walkthrough. I was working on the correction's for the missed spelled words and could not get the scene that you brought up earlier. Had tried to run the game twenty times, pulling my hair out trying to pull it up. Again great job on the walkthrough.

 

[K9]

Thanks.

I, uh... I updated it again. This was the last time, I promise!

Unless I have a typo to correct, but come on, that hardly counts. I can stop anytime I want!

Joke aside, I think it's good for now. I don't see anything left to improve or correct.

Edit one hour later: yeah, italics look better. I'm done now.

 

[Hadgar]

@K9
You can't, I'm embarrassed to say. You should have been able to, but I forgot to add the incest choice with Jo if you did not take advantage of her when she was drunk. Too doped when I was building some of the game, I suppose.
Well, as our protagonist says: There are more movie nights to come. And the choice will be added into the next version instead.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers - Kaffekop

Thank you for clarifying this point. And of course, thanks to @K9 for continuing to work on the walkthrough.
But apparently with so many variations, my flow of questions about missing scenes will never run out.
Please tell me how to make both girls go to sleep topless?

Spoiler: Marie's bedroom.

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As I understand the main character goes to sleep in the Marie bedroom only on her path. With Marie, everything is clear - she sleeps topless, if you collect all the available points. But Jo lacks points (at least I did not succeed).

 

[K9]

@Hadgar Pretty sure that's for the next update and you can't have it yet. Kaffekop mentioned some of the screens of the next update are already in the game.

Or it's the part of Jo's path we were supposed to get if we didn't give in to her for which Kaffekop forgot the triggers.

 

[ZagorTeNay]

Is Abby going topless, exclusive to specific path? For some reason, does not work on Natalie route?

 

[Kaffekop]

Is Abby going topless, exclusive to specific path? For some reason, does not work on Natalie route?

Abby will only go topless if Mary goes topless, since she is the one present when they meet for coffee.

Cheers - Kaffekop

 

[K9]

Is Abby going topless, exclusive to specific path? For some reason, does not work on Natalie route?

It works on Nathalie's route. Make sure to peep on Nathalie the first day to loosen Mom, then peep on Mom every chance you get. You need to raise her lust as high as possible.

 

[Hadgar]

@Hadgar Pretty sure that's for the next update and you can't have it yet. Kaffekop mentioned some of the screens of the next update are already in the game.

Or it's the part of Jo's path we were supposed to get if we didn't give in to her for which Kaffekop forgot the triggers.

Quite possibly. But unlike the scene in front of the TV, where there was a great lack of points, there remains only a step.

 

[Sammy1]

Quite possibly. But unlike the scene in front of the TV, where there was a great lack of points, there remains only a step.

Hey Hadger I played the game backwards and forwards. The scene you have can not be pull up yet. You need to be on Cest routes for both Jo and Mom. Mom would need 30 lust plus and Jo would need 25 plus. That would get you on the couch with both having tops off doing alittle touchy touchy, if you know what I mean. Wink,Wink. The scene you have would come right after that. Sorry to say. Keep the faith brother, Kaffekop is aware and will be fixed.

 

[Sammy1]

Is Abby going topless, exclusive to specific path? For some reason, does not work on Natalie route?

And what a nice topless it is. Between Abby and Mary, Oh what a way to go. Almost reminds me of skiing in the Alps.

 

[Hadgar]

Keep the faith brother

MY FAITH IS IMPREGNABLE! I saw the face of the Goddesses transferred by new prophets on the sacred tables of the program code, and my heart was filled like a desert over which rain began. How could it be otherwise? Anyone who sees Marie, at least once, will gain faith, and in faith our salvation, brother!

 

[K9]

Added a Character Based Walkthrough. Main Walkthrough updated to use it.

Bit of a work in progress. It made me understand things while I was checking it, so I updated it again, and I'll have to check it again by replaying all paths to make sure I didn't fuck up when I edited it. I'm certain it's 99.9% exact so far though, so you may use it already.

Hopefully it will remove any confusion that may yet linger.

 

[rexthemex123]

Kaffekop should add a scenes tab so we can go back and watch the scenes we played through already